3-6 months… which is pretty speedy in the long run
It really isn’t the years, it’s the mileage…
Indiana Jones 5 officially announced
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It really isn’t the years, it’s the mileage…
Maybe they should skip making one of their $300M epics and split that into 30 $10M new talent films and roll the dice one or two could be so good they spawn a fresh original new franchise. Corporate R&D is a thing. I don't think they think out of the box that way. Maybe my math is bad on the above but milking the same old cows is giving the same sour milk.
NakedMoleRat
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Indiana Jones and the toy isles of despair.
Cephus
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Heaven's Gate only had a production budget of $44 million. It made $3.5 million at the box office. Indy stands to lose $250-300 million at the box office, making it a much. much bigger failure than Heaven's Gate.
Cephus
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The modern Disney era has killed toy sales entirely. Absolutely none of their franchise movies have been successful in the toy aisle.
Wow…sounds like Mangold is a bit “salty”?
Cephus
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That probably won't last. John Carter had a $263 million production budget on a $282 million worldwide box office. Indy cost more and, at present, has made less. Next weekend, Mission Impossible comes out and Indy will be dead in the water.
Yeah I watched this earlier today. I remember that incident when Mangold went off on Matthew Kadish (Salty Nerd Podcast) for simply stating an opinion. He didn't put out leaks or rumors or anything like that. He just thought the movie wasn't going to be to good based on a few valid points. Mangold turned Manchild and threw a hissy fit, going so far as to call him "ageist" for saying Ford was too old to play a believable action star (which he absolutely is too old).
I lost some respect for Mangold after that. You want to defend your work, fine, but people are entitled to their opinions. I understand going after Doomcock if he's putting out false information but that wasn't the case here.
Mangold, Rian Johnson, these guys need to thicken up their skin, act professionally, and learn to either brush off or take the criticisms.
asalaw
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You're not accounting for inflation. In 2023 dollars, Heaven's Gate's production cost was $162.3 million and it grossed $12.8 million domestically. According to Wikipedia, it needed to make (then) $140 million to break even, or $516.7 million in today's dollars. That's a net of $503.9 million.
So the loss is absolutely comparable to Indy, if not bigger, and it did kill off United Artists. And Michael Cimino's career imploded.
Of course, Disney will just take a write-down and call it a day, and mysteriously, Kennedy may still have a job (rumors to the contrary notwithstanding). Very, very disparate impacts. If LFL were a standalone studio it might well be finished, but that's not the case.
Note: I've had to edit my net number three times because it's the end of a long work day. Oy.
Edit again: It might be fair to call Indy the biggest bomb since Heaven's Gate, though.
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I seem to recall a certain Terry Matalas who seemed to react to the negative trashing dished out by some fans (I am as guilty anyone else here for that) by simply producing a great season of Star Trek…and engaging with the fans.
There might be a lesson there for Hollywood to learn…
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Went down the heavens gate rabbit hole a little bit . Gotta See it now.You're not accounting for inflation. In 2023 dollars, Heaven's Gate's production cost was $162.3 million and it grossed $12.8 million domestically. According to Wikipedia, it needed to make (then) $140 million to break even, or $516.7 million in today's dollars. That's a net of $503.9 million.
So the loss is absolutely comparable to Indy, if not bigger, and it did kill off United Artists. And Michael Cimino's career imploded.
Of course, Disney will just take a write-down and call it a day, and mysteriously, Kennedy may still have a job (rumors to the contrary notwithstanding). Very, very disparate impacts. If LFL were a standalone studio it might well be finished, but that's not the case.
Note: I've had to edit my net number three times because it's the end of a long work day. Oy.
Edit again: It might be fair to call Indy the biggest bomb since Heaven's Gate, though.
Mission impossible opens tomorrow and it looks like loads of fun.
ScourgiousJinx
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Not to be obvious but ticket sales are low because people just don't really care about Indiana Jones. Had little to do with how bad or good the movie was. Ask anyone under 25 if they give a crap about Harrison ford. They generally don't.
Also whether or not people went to see this movie does nothing for my opinion of it. Neither does what critics think. There are plenty of movies that were extremely popular that sucked and plenty that were great that lost money.
Its kind of amusing to see opinions shift based on what supports fans arguments- suddenly what critics and the public think is really important to some when a few weeks or months ago it didn't matter in the slightest.
Also whether or not people went to see this movie does nothing for my opinion of it. Neither does what critics think. There are plenty of movies that were extremely popular that sucked and plenty that were great that lost money.
Its kind of amusing to see opinions shift based on what supports fans arguments- suddenly what critics and the public think is really important to some when a few weeks or months ago it didn't matter in the slightest.
Not really a spoiler but am I the only one that noticed the filming flaw. At the beginning of the film, keep an eye on the lady agents butt.
Her I-phone is in her back pocket the entire time
I personally really enjoyed the film and went back to see it again. This time to a packed house.
Her I-phone is in her back pocket the entire time
I personally really enjoyed the film and went back to see it again. This time to a packed house.
Hopefully nothing got damaged. Five for any movie is quite a steal now a days. Better to make sure everything is safe at home anyways.
Not really a spoiler but am I the only one that noticed the filming flaw. At the beginning of the film, keep an eye on the lady agents butt.
Her I-phone is in her back pocket the entire time
I personally really enjoyed the film and went back to see it again. This time to a packed house.
Proof of time travel!
Cephus
Master Member
Fans don't matter, only box office does. It's still Disney's fault for making a ludicrously expensive movie that didn't appeal to the vast majority of the film-going audience. You'd think they would have done some market research first.
JPH
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Oh my GOODNESS!!!
Didn't Orson Welles go on Merv Griffin one day and trash the director or Heaven's Gate for things like tripping horses with piano wire?
The horses has to be shot as a result.
I dont think Indy is choking THAT badly and there is nowhere near the desire to dislike Dial o Destiny as much as Heaven's Gate...
or Ishtar...
or Mars Needs Moms
Yer giving me flashbacks, man!
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