The whole point of making movies is to make money. Spending an estimated $500 million to make a movie (production/marketing/reshoots) for a movie that will never make a profit is idiotic. Therefore, it is Disney's fault. They did something that was guaranteed to fail financially.
...But that makes too much sense...there has to be another reason, like theater fatigue...like inflation...the fans...Covid, which of course i reject ALL those excuses, along with the fact the Ford wanted this story to be told. Not sure what they paid him to do this movie but if they knew all these facts going in and just said, "Yes, Harrison...whatever you say" and willingly spend $300-$500 million to make this movie specifically for 40yrs and up movie goers then yes...not very smart. If we are witnessing the death of movie theaters then we are witnessing the death of movies entirely. If streaming is the way to go then why would any studio spend millions to get a negative return? The movies will be cheaper, look cheaper and actors salaries will diminish fast, especially now that we deepfake everything now. If streaming services have thousands of movies to choose from that are now cheaper and lower budget, and nothing but retcons, then of course the return on investment will be thinner. You would think, the more competition, the better the product that will eventually happen but when it's bad vs worse, who actually wins and who actually loses? They might want to start thinking ahead and start making something new. I can see an explosion of animated movies on the rise due to these costs, and the storytelling might actually be more effective in these anyways. Looks to me like "Champagne wishes and Caviar dreams" will be a thing of the past real soon...and they did it to themselves...nobody else's fault but their own...stop blaming everyone else folks. The message from the fans based on revenue is this:
"We will no longer give you our money in exchange for crap! You shouldn't have made this movie. Did you not learn from the last one?"
What Iger will be saying behind closed doors after the fallout:
"We never should have made this movie...we should have learned our lesson from the last one."
A good majority hated the last Indiana Jones. To say this one was better means nothing, especially even if it was better, it lost way more revenue.
Because sadly that's often what happens. Look at King Arthur. He did not live happily ever after. But it doesn't always have to happen that way. Some heroes get their happily ever after. But when stories do continue past that, it's typically pretty tragic.
So what you're saying is, if Lucasfilm remains around for just a wee bit longer then their ending will be pretty tragic...I can actually see that taking place...lol
Why do all of the legacy characters who've already had their happy ending end up old, alone, and miserable? When did this become a trope?
Because we have an old, miserable company at the helm who takes great pleasure in destroying things that are great in order to build themselves up and as they deceive people into giving them their money they get to lecture you in return about " this is the real world kid, better get used to it...your going to be alone, grow old and die, especially if you're a man, because women rule now anyways...mmmuuuaahhhaaha!!!" In a fictional universe, no less. Yeah, have fun and bring your family along for the ride in our great mundane world of retcons and character deconstruction...and remember...since we have to make everything fair and equal, happy endings have been trope long enough so its time for misery to have its turn. Riiigghht! Because we all love handing our money to the carnival guy so we can be stuck upside down on the top of the Ferriswheel for half a century.
Saw the movie, actually liked it. I think it was because I was just looking for the nonsense from Crystal Skull and when it didnt appear, I was just happily relieved haha.
There is no Nuke the Fridge Moment
There is no King of the Monkeys Moment
There is no Three Waterfalls of Doom moment
There is no Breakdancing Mayans Moment
And there was no Aliens....
Wow didnt know my list was so extensive till I wrote it all out haha.
That said the movie has some good nuggets or concepts in it, I just wished they explored it more. But the biggest boo hoo thing I keep reading or hearing about from critics is Indy's Goddaughter Shaw. I blame the trailers, but the relationship between Indy and Shaw isnt as simple as Godparent and Goddaughter. Basically she's a embodiment of Indy's guilt for her father, and she kind of becomes the anti Indy, as she actually deals in the black market antiquities trade. So Indy and her have a very troubled relationship because he sees her as something he needs to save, and she see's him as the reason her father when mad. So their dynamic made sense when you understand what their relationship really is.
Which is isnt "Female Indy replace old Male Indy". That was never the dynamic. If anything she actually serves more as a female Beloq, she even dresses like Beloq at one point during the last act of the movie. And there is a cool call back to the watch which is a easter egg from Raiders.
That said there is a fantastical ending, but its more in line with the Ark melting Nazis or Voodoo from India removing living hearts, or Eternal life via the Holy Grail. Its not the ending I see written here with Old Indy meeting young Indy or anything, but it is fantastical. I personally liked it, it was handled well enough and there is a cameo at the end which again is a nice, relaxing, peaceful call back to Raiders.
Also the De-Aging scene was honestly really fun and entertaining. I told the people I saw the movie with I wish it was half the movie lol. They did a really good job, eat your heart out DC. Cant remove a friggin mustache lol. Also it was good seeing Indy punch Nazis. Any movie where you get a good Nazi Punching quota is aces with me. the more Nazis you punch, the better. If there is a sequel, it should just be a montage of Indy punching Nazis.
-Josh
So...it was better than the Indy movie that everyone hates...that's not saying much and Helena doesn't replace Indy but copies Belloq's character and there were a lot of callbacks( copies) and easter eggs? Not saying this personally to you Josh, but is that the new standard for movies now? Little plot, pointless characters, callbacks, easter eggs, homages and copies, better than the worst...I mean, let me take an order of Raiders ball scene, with a side of Crusades train, a little Temple airplane drop and a side of Raiders pulling the gun on the swordsman, but leave out the aliens but give me a little Crusade underground water tunnels and we'll call it something new. It isn't new...it's another TFA, take a bunch of ingredients, throw it in the blender and make a smoothie out of it and call it Indiana Jones because that's what the title says and by golly, Harrison Ford is in it and wants it this way. Well...they're getting what they wanted I guess...failed expectations. Maybe someone will do a movie about Lucasfilm someday. " Kingdom with the Thickest Skull" or " The Last Facade" or perhaps, " Matters of the Lost Heart" and the " Temple of Gloom".
Marvel comics have nearly always had heavy moralistic undertones. X-Men was always about the evils of racism, Cap punched Hitler on the cover, female characters are often equivalent or more powerful than male ones in ensemble stories. It has literally always been there. The only thing that's changed is now there's a corporate media machine telling you it's ruined because of it's "wokeness."
Corporate media machine? 95% of the media is promoting the wokeness and you're calling the 5% who are pushing back the machine? Good grief, you have it bass ackwards. " beep-beep beep Breaking News ! Breaking News! 3 more films announced with a British brunette female lead who happens to be a Skywalker now, even though she's a Palpatine? ( But I thought they were moving away from the Skywalkers?)
Good golly miss Molly! Can we please have a break from this torture? Can we please be done with this for good? I'm sure Rey will eagerly explain to her new recruits how names don't matter and how to rewrite history by just being whoever you want to be at any given time, as she gleefully denounces the Skywalker and Palpatine name for the sake of unifying her new order...gag me. First recruit? Helena Shaw-Skywalker-Jones...lol...gotta have the hyphenated name.
