Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

[JediMichael]

Ah, yes…the magic of the 21st century version of the “theater experience”…

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Having worked at a movie theater for 8 years 1998-2006, I can say that THAT is 100% correct. Especially G, PG and PG-13 movies.
There was only ONE major film that was better....Toy Story 2.
During the credits they had the fake blooper reel....and then, Barbie askes everyone to please throw away their trash.....and people ACTUALLY LISTENED for the most part....not everyone of course.
All us ushers were like, can we put this part on EVERY SINGLE film playing here????
Some of the big theaters had 450 seats with the next showing in like 10 mins....it got nuts. Managers thankfully realized they had to spread out showings by at LEAST 30 mins, if not more, once they had to help clean in their nice suits.



Also just saw this on Facebook, and totally thought the same thing at a glance. lol.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I was going to say the same...I think franchise fatigue is finally setting in. The normies are burned out while the longtime fanbase is not only burned out but fractured.

I'll also add I wonder if VFX fatigue is setting in as well. 10-15 years of tent-pole superhero and sci-fi movies and I think audiences have gotten understandably weary. That's part of why Top Gun: Maverick was such a huge success. Actual planes with the actors riding in them? It was such a refreshing change to all the green screen overindulgence. Avatar 2 was a massive success of course but I think that was a bit of a different beast as it was a long-awaited sequel from a renowned director and the VFX work is part of its identity. The opposite would be said about the Indy series. Practical action is a huge part of the charm of those movies which gets lost when you render things digitally.

According to the media, who are actively involved in writing after-action reports for what appears to be a box office disaster, it is the “Grup Factor” that is killing Indy’s box office.

At least 1/2 of the audience interested in seeing this movie are classified as “Grups” (that’s a Star Trek reference) …over the age of 40 and less likely to go to the theater to catch the film.

As a “Grup”, I have to admit, I’ll eventually see the film, but not until it’s on streaming. I feel no compelling need to see it in the theater.

Anyone under the age of 40 is apparently not overwhelmingly interested in seeing a shuffling hero who is of diaper-wearing age that was their father’s / grandfather’s hero.

The audience is basically “aging out”.

The word of mouth on this particular film didn’t help either.

I think the biggest problem with the last two Harrison Ford-led Indy flicks, beyond problems with the stories, is they missed their window to wheel Indy out again…if they were going to bring him back after Last Crusade they should have done it in the 1990’s vs. now.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

I’m waiting too. I took my daughter to see Ant Man Quantum Mediocre in the theatre and then it hit D+ 4 weeks later.

Waiting for Guardians to hit D+ to see it. Indy is the same, now that Amazon‘s streaming rights have ended and they too are on D+.

 

[JediMichael]

I would like to see it in theaters, mainly for that big screen and sound that a theater can provide, but I'm also in no rush.
Plenty times I've said this in the past, and by the time I got some time, the movie was out of theaters by then.
I am not subscribed to any streaming platforms currently.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I would like to see it in theaters, mainly for that big screen and sound that a theater can provide, but I'm also in no rush.
Plenty times I've said this in the past, and by the time I got some time, the movie was out of theaters by then.
I am not subscribed to any streaming platforms currently.

In that case, you may want to hurry and catch it before it’s moved to the Dollar Theater Chains with holes in their blown subwoofers and asbestos dust is seen falling from the ceiling in the light of their jittery movie projectors…

 

[JediMichael]

In that case, you may want to hurry and catch it before it’s moved to the Dollar Theater Chains with holes in their blown subwoofers and asbestos dust seen falling from the ceiling in the light of their jittery movie projectors…

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Yeah. Do dollar theaters even still exist?
Working at Regal, which was suppose to be one of the "better" brand theaters out there, 22 screens, there were still tons of issues that never got fixed, or took years to do so.
One theater had subs that were either blown out, or some issue that surely didn't sound good. Another was opposite and was way too bassy.
When it opened in 98, theater 6, one of the smaller ones always would badly reflect the projectors light right in the middle.
I think someone said it was put on backwards, which wouldn't surprise me in how they built that whole mall and theater.
Anyways, after a few years, they decided to just buy a new screen...so guess who got to keep a real movie theater screen???
Well, even being a smaller auditorium with around 140 seats, that screen was still pretty giant.
Back then I had an old 89 Toyota Corolla. Had to fold it up and get it in the back seat, which was quite a feat in itself.
I probably have video somewhere of it sitting in that first apartment.
Never got to do anything with it, was just too big and HEAVY.

 

[NeoRutty]

Why do all of the legacy characters who've already had their happy ending end up old, alone, and miserable? When did this become a trope?

“happy endings are only stories that haven’t finished yet”

Life is tough.

Edit:

Obv more than just that… but I feel I’ve had happy endings, REALLY HAPPY… but if I was a legacy character and you wanna catch up on me now, I’m just getting out of an absolute low.

There’s now new characters…. Some ‘member berries… but it would be shocking what time and life can do to a dude in 10-20 years.

 

[robstyle]

Like much Disney LFL content, I'm left both confused and disappointed by the final product, in this instance DofD. The "modern audience" politics destroy the enjoyment and core of what makes these types of films work. What confuses me about DofD is the horrible editing and camera work. Early on I lamented the labor that was going into making DofD look like an Indiana Jones film, and then to see generic inserts and inconceivable whiplash action was a grave disappointment. Chalk up a major chunk of change to those cgi inserts and face replacements post injured Harrison Ford.
While on those reshoots and the budget, if you are not aware this film was done during the virus of unspecified origin where budgets ballooned beyond any wildest expectation. For an idea of how daft things would get, one was not allowed to touch any single item on a craft service table. Someone was assigned to monitor and another to serve everything from an individual peanut or drink of water to napkins and utensils. There were also compliance officers, representatives from unions and agencies all around. Lots of pockets being filled.

Having Indy as an old man full of regret and PTSD was expected. How could anyone have his experiences then go back to being a teacher. The filp side is the kids in the classroom were disinterested yet they signed up for the class. Seems for the kids to work in the story Indy would have to be teaching high schoolers and not college young adults. Ball dropped. The kids would show some interest but that would negate the biggest issue I had with the entire film, PWB.
Being strait up, just can't stand her. Her character is terrible all around from the acting to it's writing to it's presentation on screen. Replace PWB with a believable and capable actor and realise what the character could be, which is ironic as it seems to be written as exactly what I'm going to say, the Temple of Doom version of Indiana Jones. Brash, brazen, capable, a wild card, risk taker, can't see beyond the horizon, adventurer.... But it's all lost on a non charismatic, non emotive, droll and bland modern audience box of check marks.


What JetBeetle could have done with the existing script would be amazing.
I imagine he would have changed the PWB character to Short Round, who became an adventure himself yet wound up in a pickle between the US powers that be and the other side as all were working on the same project together. Remove the item being auctioned and the personal greed of the PWB character and replace it with Shorty involved with freeing his own child being held captive in exchange for the device. He's in over his head and only a disgraced old man not even considerd as a threat is his only chance to rescue his son and secure the mcguffin making sure neither side holds the power to change the past. Reluctantly Indy would accept as Shorty was interested in the project with the idea he could go back in time and change the course of his own family making him not an orphan. This would give Indy the thought he himself could go back and stop his own son from enlisting...
Replace all the horrible tuk tuk and plane action with grounded action and suspense where we end up with Indy and the mcguffin holding the power to go back to one point in history, a one way trip, he can see the moment as can Shorty as the mcguffin is connected in time to those that hold it and not a mechanical setting, Shorty places his hands on the mcguffin and sees what Indy sees when that vision is replaced with Shortys family as he is a young child studying intently... Both Indy and Shorty nod to each other as to say you go, I'll stay here, and both drop the device at the same time, neither crossing over to the past. Both acknowledge their own history and life choices are insignificant as an individual to a world population. By not altering the past they have secured the future of the world, and toss the mcguffin into an ancient volcano.

Now need to go back and write the action set piece around the volcano, a bullit style car chase through New York where Sallah rescues Indy and Shorty, a horseback chase through Paris, and remove that ending we got with a plane crash and wake up with Indy meeting Shortys kid and the kid incessently asking Indy about stories he has been told about their adventures...

 

[Apollo]

^ Paul is missed by many, Wonderful tribute Rob! ^

 

[Liberance]

Saying something can have "story left" or "no story left" implies that there was a master story concept from which the installments were being drawn.

This isn't how that works. Some stories do offer more opportunity to develop continuations than others, regardless of how they were initially conceived. Some characters can be more easily explored further than others.

Why do all of the legacy characters who've already had their happy ending end up old, alone, and miserable? When did this become a trope?

It's a choice like any other one, to me the question is whether the film series you're working on calls for it or not. For example, it definitely worked for Rick Deckard in Blade Runner 2049, that's just the vibe of that world and we knew his relationship with Rachel wasn't gonna last one way or another at the end of the original film. Top Gun: Maverick, on the other hand, didn't go for dejection. Maverick is stuck in time but it's presented as almost a matter of principles to him. He's proud to do things his own way, and the fact that he won't give in is seen as a bigger success than whatever failure his lack of professional advancement might mean. Both of these films were really strong in the sense that they stayed true to the original while moving the story forward.

Not sure how many people around here are familiar with games, but I'd say the fourth Uncharted is a case study for what can be done with sequels like Indy. That game picked up after a lighthearted trilogy that finished with a happy ending. We have an adventurer character who's settled for a married life. He seemingly has it all, but there's an element of dullness to it. Eventually, he's pulled into another adventure, lies to his wife and gets into a whole load of trouble that makes him reconsider his priorities in life. It's another recurring narrative choice: "you gotta pick between family or rock and roll." But in that case it was a choice that allowed the story to remain true to the original spirit. Uncharted 4 still is a lighthearted adventure tale with a wisecracking hero type that gets into outlandish situations. There's even an interview in Rolling Stone with writer Neil Druckmann where he explains that exploring the death of a secondary character (a choice some fans expected) was never even considered, because that would've betrayed the whole feel of the series.

 

[Moviefreak]

Two months ago I took my family to the theater for the first time since February 2020 / Covid-19 pandemic. We saw The Super Mario Brothers movie and had a good time. But it still hits the wallet HARD.

I am one of those people who have theater fatigue. I suspect a lot of people do, and that aids in the decline of attendance.

My wife and I haven’t been to a theater since seeing Halloween in 2018. Not because of any lack of movie content. Not because of “studio politics shoved down our throats”. Not because of poor writing. It’s because we love the experience from home and hate the experience at theaters anymore. The last time we went was the last straw.

The cost was outrageous, concession prices were over the top. The people behind us talked the whole time. Then after the film we ended up in a traffic jam on our turnpike due to a wreck. Nothing worse than wanting to just get home late at night and being stuck.

So now, we stream a film when we want, we spend way less after factoring tolls and gas, we have unlimited concession food at our disposal, we have comfortable and familiar bathrooms, and when the film is over, we can walk to bed, lol.

 

[Lost in Trek]

Saw the film yesterday with a buddy. We both were underwhelmed. It’s not a bad film, infinitely better than the last. But the action sequences were just ok, nothing memorable. The story was ok and the characters fine. Ford seemed to care more about this one and turned in a better performance than in the last.
But at times Indy felt like a secondary character and in the climax of the film had to be rescued. I would have preferred to see Indy drive the story a little more…
So, yes, far better than the last one. Not nearly as good as the first three.

 

[dfrey79]

I enjoyed it. I was distracted a little by the deep fake Indy at the beginning. I don’t think that tech is perfected yet. Used too much. I was also distracted a little by Indy being a little too agile for his age. My dad is the same age and he’s in good shape. But no way could he scale a cliff, jump from car to car, or ride a horse like that. I think they could have toned that down a little. I know. It’s a movie. But it does distract.

Some of Harrison’s best acting when talking about his son dying.

I love the idea of Indy, Marion, and Sallah living happily ever after together.

So like I said, I enjoyed it. I got to close out Star Wars with my son, and now Indiana Jones. That’s pretty special, regardless of how imperfect it was.

 

[kevin926]

I am one of those people who have theater fatigue. I suspect a lot of people do, and that aids in the decline of attendance.

My wife and I haven’t been to a theater since seeing Halloween in 2018. Not because of any lack of movie content. Not because of “studio politics shoved down our throats”. Not because of poor writing. It’s because we love the experience from home and hate the experience at theaters anymore. The last time we went was the last straw.

The cost was outrageous, concession prices were over the top. The people behind us talked the whole time. Then after the film we ended up in a traffic jam on our turnpike due to a wreck. Nothing worse than wanting to just get home late at night and being stuck.

So now, we stream a film when we want, we spend way less after factoring tolls and gas, we have unlimited concession food at our disposal, we have comfortable and familiar bathrooms, and when the film is over, we can walk to bed, lol.

Movie Theaters will be dead if not gone within 5 years. All of the companies will go to a buy it now streaming service to watch on release day- and going to the movies will be a thing of the past. I can even see a watch now with a paid subscription. I went to 3 films inside of 2 weeks and each experience was the same. Dead lobbies, dead parking lots, ghost town empty theater and over beyond overpriced concession. Over staffed and wasting money. It's basic economics. They cannot survive. And before someone replies with small town or geographic -, Sarasota and Fort Myers are not poor dunk towns.

 

[Malibu139]

So like I said, I enjoyed it. I got to close out Star Wars with my son, and now Indiana Jones. That’s pretty special, regardless of how imperfect it was.

I love this sentiment.

KOTCS went up a notch for me last week when my son said this after I downplayed it in a conversation following DOD.

“No way dad, KOTCS is goated. It made me think that giant ants were going to be a bigger problem in life than they turned out to be. Don’t get me started on quicksand…”

Seeing life, entertainment media, and hobbies through my kids eyes helps me enjoy things I might not otherwise-like a new Indiana Jones movie.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

A bit creepy looking…

 

[drftfan]

Dial of Disentary opens up with $7.2 million on preview night, less than Flash, less than Transformers, right on track to a $60 million opening weekend which is disastrous for a $300+ million dollar movie.

Good job Disney. You screwed it up again.

But did they? I mean it is a movie geared towards much older audiences than the typical movie goer. No one I know under 30 has any interest in seeing an old man running around. They just don’t. Younger fans have simply lost interest in going to the movies. They have more content to stream than ever before with very short attention spans. Blame Disney all you want but you aren’t right.

 

[drftfan]

I saw this today with the family and enjoyed it. Better than CS (which I only ever saw once and won't ever watch again) and better than I was expecting to be honest. The reason for Indy being a grumpy old man is explained well, but you'll have to sit through about an hour of the movie before its explained, but it fills in a lot of gaps about where we find him in life.

There were some stretches where I feared the movie was more of a Helena Shaw movie than an Indiana Jones movie, but its no secret that she is driving the story here. It doesn't quiet have the same tone as Raiders or Last Crusade, but I don't think its meant to. All in all, I give it a 6.5\10

Spoiler: Spoiler

Only spoiler here... did anyone else see the Holy Hand Grenade on the train car with all the antiquities?

It’s makes Crystal Skull better in my opinion. I almost feel like you have the first three. And then these two which tie together pretty well imo.

 

[blewis17]

I’m waiting too. I took my daughter to see Ant Man Quantum Mediocre in the theatre and then it hit D+ 4 weeks later.

Waiting for Guardians to hit D+ to see it. Indy is the same, now that Amazon‘s streaming rights have ended and they too are on D+.

Disney may have shot themselves in the foot with this model. Because they need constant content for a streaming service, theatrical releases (already budgeted and paid for) can go to Disney+ in a couple of months. So customers just wait it out.

The best thing to happen to Disney+ was the Covid-19 SARS-2 pandemic, as you had people at home (more often) looking for entertainment.

The worst thing to happen to Disney corporately was the Covid-19 SARS-2 pandemic. It GREATLY increased the cost of filming on projects already underway, led to delays in production and logistical nightmares, and provided empty theaters for these expensive theatrical releases.

 

[blewis17]

I love the idea of Indy, Marion, and Sallah living happily ever after together.

So like I said, I enjoyed it. I got to close out Star Wars with my son, and now Indiana Jones. That’s pretty special, regardless of how imperfect it was.

At the end of the day, that's really what film entertainment SHOULD be about. The memories you make with your family and friends while enjoying the craft.