GHOSTBUSTERS Pre-Release - film discussion only, no social commentary please!

Haha you can't say you agree and then go on to describe your exact opposite approach to the situation. The reason fans of Ghostbusters are upset is exactly that we don't want it to destroy itself as Terminator has.
 
Haha you can't say you agree and then go on to describe your exact opposite approach to the situation. The reason fans of Ghostbusters are upset is exactly that we don't want it to destroy itself as Terminator has.
I just did. :lol

My thoughts/dreams of the capabilities of modern cinema aren't linked to my enjoyment/indifference of big, dumb fun movies or nostalgic loves. Hollywood will continue to do what it does until it obviously doesn't work any more. If that's GB, so be it. I'm indifferent on it. The reboot wasn't developed with me, a hardcore fan, in mind. If we get some fun stuff out of it, cool. If it's a dud, no skin off of my back. I have no financial or reputation stake in it. It was a dead property, anyway. My interest stems from the old stuff. If the new is cool and fun, more the merrier. If it stinks, eh--

I get the thought that fans don't want the property to crash and burn, but no amount of vitriol or complaining online will help. Especially at this point.

If anything, the constant negativity has given Sony PR extra meat to get the reboot in the public eye MORE, ultimately leading to more ticket sales.

The haters were working for Sony all along-- just not getting paid.
 
Haha you can't say you agree and then go on to describe your exact opposite approach to the situation. The reason fans of Ghostbusters are upset is exactly that we don't want it to destroy itself as Terminator has.

or as turtles have.


Example : the new Nick toon.

the guys in charge are not fans of the franchise. They are fans of Mirage Turtles only. anything else, they could give a crap about. They are trying to do one show, making it dark and gritty and throwing in all these stupid horror franchise nods like the dream bears episode. Playmates and Nick, however, are trying to make it more like the fred wolf series to cash in on nostalgia. so instead, we get Krang Prime (a character that showed up maybe 5 times, and then forgotten)..... we get things like the mutanimals, with members so weak that they are more of a hinderance than a help....we get things like baxter stockman as a fly... we see him once and he's basically off the show now. or Mutagen Man. The single most USELESS CHARACTER EVER CREATED!

It's horrible what that show has become, because not one creative person in charge of it knows where it wants to go, or has the power to make their vision the one and only vision.
As the worlds biggest ninja turtle fan, whose given EVERYTHING a chance, from We Wish you a Turtle Christmas, to Next mutations Power Ranger Crossover (ugh).....this is one of the very few things i've not bothered to rewatch.....and sometimes can't even bother myself to finish (like the mega shredder episode..ugh).

as a fan, you don't want to see that happen to your favorite franchise. you see it handed over to people who don't care, clearly don't get what makes the universe tick, and you know it won't get better, because no one cares enough to pick a peter laird, or a kevin eastman to give it some vision.

Same goes for the movie franchise. they handed it off to the lowest common denominator, and now we are stuck with ugly turtles, bad writing, fart jokes, and school girl outfits.
By the time they tried to care, the audience had already left.


It's beyond frustrating as a fan at this point. and there is absolutely nothing you can do a bout it BUT bitch..and hope somewhere, someone at the studio will finally wake up and say, 'lets see what this franchise CAN be if we really tried'...
 
I just did. :lol

My thoughts/dreams of the capabilities of modern cinema aren't linked to my enjoyment/indifference of big, dumb fun movies or nostalgic loves. Hollywood will continue to do what it does until it obviously doesn't work any more. If that's GB, so be it. I'm indifferent on it. The reboot wasn't developed with me, a hardcore fan, in mind. If we get some fun stuff out of it, cool. If it's a dud, no skin off of my back. I have no financial or reputation stake in it. It was a dead property, anyway. My interest stems from the old stuff. If the new is cool and fun, more the merrier. If it stinks, eh--

I get the thought that fans don't want the property to crash and burn, but no amount of vitriol or complaining online will help. Especially at this point.

If anything, the constant negativity has given Sony PR extra meat to get the reboot in the public eye MORE, ultimately leading to more ticket sales.

The haters were working for Sony all along-- just not getting paid.

2 things. 1, how can you say that youre a hardcore fan of GB and then promote this dreck.

2. How can you say that no amount of vitriol or complaining online will help? There are a ton of things that caused companies to change their mind about boycotting things just because of online protests. Aside from speaking with their wallets, people have a voice on the internet. Sometimes companies listen, sometimes they dont. But saying that it doesnt help is asinine.

Now a days, I think regarding movies at least the old saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity" doesnt really hold value anymore. The negative publicity isnt going to help THIS movie. Its not like BvS or something in the sense that everyone in the world saw it once opening day and was like "dear god dont watch this", I think people arent going to watch this movie because of everything they have already seen. If I worked at sony, and I was head of marketing, I would show as little as I could of the movie in the trailers, to at least get people in the theatre that are curious. Now...pffft. Forget it. And Im not even THAT hardcore of a fan, yes I love the two movies( I was a kid when GB 2 came out so I like it) and there is no way in hell Im going to pay money for this because it looks like A BAD MOVIE.
 
2 things.
It's really more like 3 things, but I'll do my best to answer your questions. :)

1, how can you say that youre a hardcore fan of GB and then promote this dreck.
You and I must have varying definitions of "promote". Where am I promoting the reboot? I've been discussing... posting a few things I think some of the others in this thread might enjoy. Unless I slept through them, I haven't actively participated in any promotions for GB16. However, if Sony's paying like you suggested earlier in this thread, I would TOTALLY be up for it.

I'm not a universal fan of the entire GB franchise. I didn't much care for the 2009 game, EGB was atrocious, as are some of the newer figures that have come out over the years. Somehow I've avoided shouting my distaste for those things from the internet rooftops. I'm a hardcore fan of the original movies-- not the franchise.

Now a snark-free answer-- I'm a hardcore fan of the original two films. I'm indifferent on the reboot. The direction isn't what I would have done had I been given the keys to the franchise, but I adjusted my expectations. I'm enjoying the anticipation and conversation. I'm planning a fun night out with some pals to go see the movie opening nigh after some pizzas and beer. Fun will be had regardless of the quality of the movie. THAT... is what I'm really excited about.

2. How can you say that no amount of vitriol or complaining online will help? There are a ton of things that caused companies to change their mind about boycotting things just because of online protests. Aside from speaking with their wallets, people have a voice on the internet. Sometimes companies listen, sometimes they dont. But saying that it doesnt help is asinine.
I'm sure there are some instances where it helped. The JJ Abrams SUPERMAN project was shelved due to backlash from AICN. Some believe that The Shredder's race was changed in the 2014 TMNT movie due to fans, although my guess is more of the racial crowd throwing out the whitewashing card. In this case, Sony's PR team turned it right around, lumping fans with legitimate complaints in with the misogynists, vitriolic haters, and man babies. Shout, scream, and stomp your feet all you want, but it's only perpetuating the same old tired stereotype now. Not to mention, it's too late for change on GB16. From what I gather, the movie is locked.

...and personally, I think the constant complaining is asinine, so I guess that makes us about square. The universe remains balanced.

Now a days, I think regarding movies at least the old saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity" doesnt really hold value anymore. The negative publicity isnt going to help THIS movie. Its not like BvS or something in the sense that everyone in the world saw it once opening day and was like "dear god dont watch this", I think people arent going to watch this movie because of everything they have already seen. If I worked at sony, and I was head of marketing, I would show as little as I could of the movie in the trailers, to at least get people in the theatre that are curious. Now...pffft. Forget it. And Im not even THAT hardcore of a fan, yes I love the two movies( I was a kid when GB 2 came out so I like it) and there is no way in hell Im going to pay money for this because it looks like A BAD MOVIE.
Ohhhhhh, bad publicity is DEFINITELY better than no publicity. I work in marketing and advertising. The more the reboot is in the eyes/ears of the general public via social media, blogs, TV, comments, sky writing, etc., the better off it is. With that in mind, you've done far more "promoting" on the reboot that I have. (See how I came back around with that one?)
 
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It's really more like 3 things, but I'll do my best to answer your questions. :)


You and I must have varying definitions of "promote". Where am I promoting the reboot? I've been discussing... posting a few things I think some of the others in this thread might enjoy. Unless I slept through them, I haven't actively participated in any promotions for GB16. However, if Sony's paying like you suggested earlier in this thread, I would TOTALLY be up for it.

I'm not a universal fan of the entire GB franchise. I didn't much care for the 2009 game, EGB was atrocious, as are some of the newer figures that have come out over the years. Somehow I've avoided shouting my distaste for those things from the internet rooftops. I'm a hardcore fan of the original movies-- not the franchise.

Now a snark-free answer-- I'm a hardcore fan of the original two films. I'm indifferent on the reboot. The direction isn't what I would have done had I been given the keys to the franchise, but I adjusted my expectations. I'm enjoying the anticipation and conversation. I'm planning a fun night out with some pals to go see the movie opening nigh after some pizzas and beer. Fun will be had regardless of the quality of the movie. THAT... is what I'm really excited about.


I'm sure there are some instances where it helped. The JJ Abrams SUPERMAN project was shelved due to backlash from AICN. Some believe that The Shredder's race was changed in the 2014 TMNT movie due to fans, although my guess is more of the racial crowd throwing out the whitewashing card. In this case, Sony's PR team turned it right around, lumping fans with legitimate complaints in with the misogynists, vitriolic haters, and man babies. Shout, scream, and stomp your feet all you want, but it's only perpetuating the same old tired stereotype now. Not to mention, it's too late for change on GB16. From what I gather, the movie is locked.


Ohhhhhh, bad publicity is DEFINITELY better than no publicity. I work in marketing and advertising. The more the reboot is in the eyes/ears of the general public via social media, blogs, TV, comments, sky writing, etc., the better off it is. With that in mind, you've done far more "promoting" on the reboot that I have. (See how I came back around with that one?)

While I appreciate you responding, I dont know why I even bother. Youre one of those guys that probably says "actually" in a drolling way while pushing up his glasses when talking to people about certain things. There you go with the snark, then the emoji. No wonder people have you on ignore... its really hard not to get frustrated when discussing things with you, everything you say has some sort of underlying tone of being condescending, or snarky.
 
While I appreciate you responding, I dont know why I even bother. Youre one of those guys that probably says "actually" in a drolling way while pushing up his glasses when talking to people about certain things. There you go with the snark, then the emoji. No wonder people have you on ignore... its really hard not to get frustrated when discussing things with you, everything you say has some sort of underlying tone of being condescending, or snarky.
Hey, don't blame me... you're the one that told me to go ahead and be condescending a few posts back. :lol

I'm totally game with keeping the discussion going, but you're going to need to throw out some rebuttals to my rock solid points or something. That's how this whole discussion thing works-- sorry it's frustrating for you. A thicker skin might help with the snark sensitivities, too. :angel

...AND HOW DID YOU KNOW I WEAR GLASSES?!?!?!?! :wacko:confused

(...and dude, seriously, none of what I'm blabbering is meant to be hateful towards you or anyone else. It's all in fun. Stupid snark isn't malicious on my end. At the end of the day, it's conversation for stuff we're interested in. Find fun however you can. Hell, we'd probably be able to have a beer and good conversation IRL. We're discussing the remake of a Bill Murray movie. Snark is unavoidable. Hell, one of the animation systems used in GB2 was called S-N-A-R-K.)
 
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Hey, don't blame me... you're the one that told me to go ahead and be condescending a few posts back. :lol

I'm totally game with keeping the discussion going, but you're going to need to throw out some rebuttals to my rock solid points or something. That's how this whole discussion thing works-- sorry it's frustrating for you. A thicker skin might help with the snark sensitivities, too. :angel

...AND HOW DID YOU KNOW I WEAR GLASSES?!?!?!?! :wacko:confused

Oh my god youre SO hilarious. /sarcasm

I would, but to be honest, its not in my best interests to keep trying to discuss things when you act like you are so much better than everyone else. Aside from one other person, youre the only person I have ever had an annoyance with, or desire to put you on ignore. Or, how about this, try not being an insufferable know it all? Ever think of that?

I know all kinds of things about you d-osborn...
 
Oh my god youre SO hilarious. /sarcasm

I would, but to be honest, its not in my best interests to keep trying to discuss things when you act like you are so much better than everyone else. Aside from one other person, youre the only person I have ever had an annoyance with, or desire to put you on ignore. Or, how about this, try not being an insufferable know it all? Ever think of that?

I know all kinds of things about you d-osborn...
Hey, I've never claimed to be better than anyone or a "know it all". I'm just a big GB fan anticipating and discussing the new movie.

If my posts and comments make you think that, then thanks for putting me up on a pedestal, I guess! :D I was simply answering your questions, after all. I guess I made my point if your only reply is some sort of personal attack.

In the land of death threats and vitriolic hate comments that is GB16 fan reactions, I'm being put on your ignore list due to some snark. Gotcha. I'll miss what we had @Snikt and treasure it always. :p (...and psssst, I don't think you read the edit I made to my previous post.)
 
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Hey, I've never claimed to be better than anyone or a "know it all". I'm just a big GB fan anticipating and discussing the new movie.

If my posts and comments make you think that, then thanks for putting me up on a pedestal, I guess! :D I was simply answering your questions, after all. I guess I made my point if your only reply is some sort of personal attack.

In the land of death threats and vitriolic hate comments that is GB16 fan reactions, I'm being put on your ignore list due to some snark. Gotcha. I'll miss what we had @Snikt and treasure it always. :p (...and psssst, I don't think you read the edit I made to my previous post.)
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You dont have to claim to be to be perceived as such.

Youre right, I didnt. I read it now though. And I get what youre saying, that its all in good fun, but sometimes it isnt, especially when youre condescending to people. And I think in real life you probably wouldnt act that way, because the veil of the internet. Or maybe you do, if that case, I would finish my beer and walk away. But hey man, you do you. There isnt any harm done, cmon, this is an internet forum about nerd stuff, like it really matters. Its not like I have your picture and I throw darts at it or anything. OR DO I?!?!!? :ninja
 
I just had a thought after dropping my son off at kindergarten. Kids delve deeply into their playing situations. They take their games and fantasy situations really seriously. And IMO they want us to treat them seriously when they are playing. I bet I am not the only one here who has experienced a childs anger and frustration if that was not done and they were forced to stop playing or their fantasies were ridiculed or they were abruptly pulled out of their fantasy world.

Are we probably having a similar situation here? I think we do. I am not saying that we as fans are children, but even as grown ups we carry a lot of that childish lust for playing and fantasy worlds in us. This is the RPF, right? So is there anyone here in thia discussion that would say he or she does not cater to his or her inner childs needs by participating in his community?

I would go as fas and say that the movie audience satisfies their childish needs by watching movies that take them away to different places.

With how the OGB came into the world, despite being a means of putting bread on the table for everyone involved, it had a very playful tone to it all. And IMO that is what makes it so light and accessible.
The new movie trailers with their corny and below the belt gags feel forced and stiff. The making of that we saw through illegal information feels very cold and uninspired and calculated.

That latter is actually documented. And it seems to be accepted by a whole group of supporters.

All good movies, at least those that primarily want to entertain, have a playfulness to them that always shines through, something childish.
We know what happens when kids go into puberty, though. They sometimes become quite awkward people.

What I have seen of the movie in terms of trailers it feels more like late predictable puberty jokes than funny moments that come unexpected out of knowhere like it happens in a conversation with a child.


(wow. did i type all that?! See that happend when you hve to wait for an hour for a set of new car keys!)
 
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i like this guy. he makes sense.

although he forgot that the reason this is happening with THIS film is because there are two feminists running it.

I particularly like the line of 'going with the company line just to prove you are with the crowd' (paraphrasing, of course)..so many people these days are afraid of saying an opinion for fear of being labled a 'hater' due to over reacting people coming at you instantly with 'oh my god, that's the worse thing i've ever heard!' and said at you in droves. but, as westies said earlier, it's perfectly ok to be to be for something so long as you are positive about it.


heh, reading the comments, supposedly theaters have a way to see how many seats have been pre booked for future showings? it'd be interesting to see how many empty seats there are for this thing in a few weeks.

Also, I couldn't believe the female thor panel actually existed. I looked it up. It does.
they actually mentioned feminism in a thor comic. Is this what defines a female super hero these days?
smh.

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I can't even blame Sony for cashing in. They have shareholders they gotta provide for. I blame people who demonstrate to them again and again that this approach is worth their hard-earned money. Consumers get what they demand with their wallets. Anyone who goes to see this is telling the studios that this all they need. There are so many great ideas out there, so many untapped talents. There are geniuses begging for a shot to make fresh, creative, original projects; there are concepts on paper to take classic franchises in very interesting, brave, exciting directions. By buying a ticket to Ghostbusters, to Terminator: Genisys, to Ninja Turtles, you are telling Hollywood to continue passing these possibilities by in favor of complete garbage. Honestly. Sony isn't ruining our childhoods. People who support these movies are ruining our adult lives. (From an entertainment perspective, of course.)

This is why I hate the "branded properties" track that studios have taken. Sure, it yields some great material some times, but far too often, it's just used as a crutch to mind-trick audiences into accepting otherwise generic schlock. My go-to examples for this are the G.I. Joe films and the Transformers films. Seriously, if you strip out the IP from these films and call them American Commandos or Warbots, people would say -- at best -- "Eh. It was ok. The robot fighting was cool, but they were pretty stupid." Slap on a coat of IP, though, and audiences eat it up with a spoon.

Oh, I totally agree! I think we're about to see a similar crash/burn of big-budget Hollywood similar to the 60's. Filmmaking technology is cheap and accessible. High quality streaming, resolution, and quality is cheap and accessible. I just don't think the modern equivalent of Lucas and Coppola will be running within the Hollywood/theater industries. I keep waiting for a huge rash of well-made, well thought out sci-fi shorts to start popping up on Youtube or Vimeo. Your short film thread is REALLY cool.

As for GB, this stuff is an escape for me. It's fun. It's not about supporting the franchise or boycotting Sony. I'll probably drop $20 or so for tickets for my girlfriend and I. We'll go get some pizza, have a few beers, laugh at (or with) the new movie, and enjoy ourselves. Entertainment, curiosity, whatever... I'll be there opening night.

With the comparisons to Terminator and Ninja Turtles, both of those franchises have basically crashed and burned without by boycott. If GB is bad, it will, too.

I actually don't think we'll see a true crash. At best, we'll see an insurgency or some surprise take over, which will then be co-opted by the major studios.

I'd say the best analogy is the music industry. In the late 1980s, the music industry was glutted with "me too" hair metal bands and such. That was upended by two things in the 1990s. In the early 90s, the grunge scene came in and blew the industry's doors open with Smells Like Teen Spirit. What happened next? A wave of "me too" alternative bands that got picked up, and a gradual commercialization of the entire approach.

The other thing was MP3s and file sharing. I remember in the late 90s/early 2000s when people were saying that the file sharing thing was the death knell for the music industry.

It wasn't. The industry adapted and, while it's not what it was in the past, it still lives. Gradually, the industry managed to trim away much of the fat from its earlier model, and slowly adopted an approach that incorporated digital music. New distribution outlets arose in the form of iTunes and Amazon, and new delivery mechanisms like Pandora and Spotify hit the scene. But the industry itself survived and, if anything, was strengthened to the point that it really cannot be taken down at this point. For that matter, it seems, neither can the dominant style. It's really, really, really difficult for some auditory meteor like Nirvana to hit. It's much more likely that you'll see the kind of gradual, controlled evolution of a sound, where one style gradually gives way to another, but not the near-extinction-event of an entire genre being blown out of the water by some new twist overnight.

I think the same is true of the film industry. We will come to a point where superhero movies are no longer being made, the same way we got to a point where westerns aren't being made. Or at least, we'll get to a point where superhero films aren't being made to anywhere near the same degree as what you see today. But that change will be slow and gradual, rather than as a result of a total collapse.

2 things. 1, how can you say that youre a hardcore fan of GB and then promote this dreck.

2. How can you say that no amount of vitriol or complaining online will help? There are a ton of things that caused companies to change their mind about boycotting things just because of online protests. Aside from speaking with their wallets, people have a voice on the internet. Sometimes companies listen, sometimes they dont. But saying that it doesnt help is asinine.

Now a days, I think regarding movies at least the old saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity" doesnt really hold value anymore. The negative publicity isnt going to help THIS movie. Its not like BvS or something in the sense that everyone in the world saw it once opening day and was like "dear god dont watch this", I think people arent going to watch this movie because of everything they have already seen. If I worked at sony, and I was head of marketing, I would show as little as I could of the movie in the trailers, to at least get people in the theatre that are curious. Now...pffft. Forget it. And Im not even THAT hardcore of a fan, yes I love the two movies( I was a kid when GB 2 came out so I like it) and there is no way in hell Im going to pay money for this because it looks like A BAD MOVIE.

It's really more like 3 things, but I'll do my best to answer your questions. :)


You and I must have varying definitions of "promote". Where am I promoting the reboot? I've been discussing... posting a few things I think some of the others in this thread might enjoy. Unless I slept through them, I haven't actively participated in any promotions for GB16. However, if Sony's paying like you suggested earlier in this thread, I would TOTALLY be up for it.

I'm not a universal fan of the entire GB franchise. I didn't much care for the 2009 game, EGB was atrocious, as are some of the newer figures that have come out over the years. Somehow I've avoided shouting my distaste for those things from the internet rooftops. I'm a hardcore fan of the original movies-- not the franchise.

Now a snark-free answer-- I'm a hardcore fan of the original two films. I'm indifferent on the reboot. The direction isn't what I would have done had I been given the keys to the franchise, but I adjusted my expectations. I'm enjoying the anticipation and conversation. I'm planning a fun night out with some pals to go see the movie opening nigh after some pizzas and beer. Fun will be had regardless of the quality of the movie. THAT... is what I'm really excited about.

For what it's worth, I think you can be a big, big fan of the originals without being a fan of literally everything in the franchise. "Hardcore fan" is a broadly defined term, in my opinion.

That said, it sounds like you're less into the film itself, and more into the experience of going to the film. And I guess I'd ask you......why?

Does the film -- on its face, based on what you've seen/heard -- seem entertaining? Would you have gone to see this with your buddies if it were some new project without the GB IP?

Ohhhhhh, bad publicity is DEFINITELY better than no publicity. I work in marketing and advertising. The more the reboot is in the eyes/ears of the general public via social media, blogs, TV, comments, sky writing, etc., the better off it is. With that in mind, you've done far more "promoting" on the reboot that I have. (See how I came back around with that one?)

This I absolutely agree with. Controversy = promotion, especially when you can work in the social justice angle. As I've said before, I think that Feig's decision to gender-flip the GBs wasn't necessarily a "social justice" driven decision. I think he genuinely likes working with funny women, and has a strong collaborative relationship with Melissa McCarthy and likely with Kristen Wiig. However, I think that Sony was totally on board with this because they recognize that he's bringing in new audience members. And, when the trolls came out of the woodwork, Feig and Sony executed what I think you have to admit is some brilliant PR judo by using the negative backlash against the trailer to serve as a way to promote the trailer based on the trolls' reactions.

As we've said many times here, the trolls are just one slice of GB fandom, and just one slice of the people who look at this film and go "Meh. Looks lame." BUT, because the trolls are so outrageous, and because many of the other super-intense fans are so ridiculous, Sony and Feig have managed to completely insulate the film from initial negative criticism by basically insinuating that anyone who says the film looks bad is an obvious sexist manbaby fanboy who needs to grow up, shave his neckbeard, and get out of the basement and into the sunlight an fresh air, unless of course that would turn him to stone because trolls hahaha but seriously, go see the movie because feminism!

And it's worked. It's worked brilliantly. Sony has completely framed the discussion, and it's done so in a way that is sexy, too. Every thinkpiece out there is some musing on fan culture, attitudes of ownership, and whether it's reasonable to respond as the trolls have. Even in the more balanced pieces, there's a slant that basically treats all criticism of the film as inherently illegitimate. Moreover, the discussion has migrated to one that absolutely benefits Sony in that it's not merely about fan ownership or sexism now; instead, it's about "rushing to judgment" and how unfair and wrong that is.

In other words, the discussion is shifting to "Don't judge by anything you see before you see the movie. Just go and see the movie. Seeeeeee the moooooooovieeeeeeeeee......"
 
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Also, I couldn't believe the female thor panel actually existed. I looked it up. It does.
they actually mentioned feminism in a thor comic. Is this what defines a female super hero these days?
smh.
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Female super (!) heroes to me were never less "super" than male superheroes. Wonder Woman? Big Barda? Supergirl? Does it get any more "super"?

As I already wrote in a previous post, where is the need to change Thor (the SON of Odin) into a female. I have not read the current comics, so I have no clue what is going on. I understand how e.g. Beta Ray Bill came into the Marvel Universe, but gender swapping? Did Thor get a complete new backstory?
What about the Valkyries? As far as I know in the norse culture women were held in high regards and seen as equals?
 
I actually don't think we'll see a true crash. At best, we'll see an insurgency or some surprise take over, which will then be co-opted by the major studios.
Yeah, I can see that. Whatever form it takes, I'm really hoping for some sort of shift in cinema. Not so much superhero/franchise milking, but less mega-budget extravaganzas and more experimental, smaller, well-crafted movies. Similar to what happened in the 60s. Quality gear and software is affordable and available. The general pop has access to near-cinema quality production tools. Wasn't there a film at Sundance that was shot on an iPhone 5 with fairly decent quality? I’ve been out of the indie scene for a few years.


For what it's worth, I think you can be a big, big fan of the originals without being a fan of literally everything in the franchise. "Hardcore fan" is a broadly defined term, in my opinion.


That said, it sounds like you're less into the film itself, and more into the experience of going to the film. And I guess I'd ask you......why?


Does the film -- on its face, based on what you've seen/heard -- seem entertaining? Would you have gone to see this with your buddies if it were some new project without the GB IP?
I'm a die-hard, foaming at the mouth hardcore nut for the original two films. They've followed me my entire life, as goofy as that sounds. As a child, they were fun good vs evil romps with a bright cartoon and cool toys and a fun song. In high school, the humor I never caught slapped me in the face. In college, the technical filmmaking aspects grabbed my attention and didn’t let go, as did the REALLY subtle humor. I've studied the development, production, FX processes, got to know producers and crew members, made lifelong fan friends, gathered thousands of pages of production material, props, set dressing, art, photographs, original film elements, and I'm currently producing archival content for the CLEANIN' UP THE TOWN documentary. (It's going to be killer, btw.) Just one of MANY very passionate fans, and I TOTALLY agree with you-- hardcore fan is a very general term.

Although I have fond memories of it, I'm not a huge RGB fan like I am with the movies. Same with the video games, comics, toys, etc. I appreciate them, think they're fun, but it's a passing interest— nothing I take super seriously. Same with the reboot. I’m enjoying the anticipation, but I don’t think it’s going to stick with me. That’s not to say I can’t enjoy it. That’s not to say it won’t ignite the creative spark in some young kid out there. I’m sure not every 30/40 year old in 1984 was in love with the original GB and thought it would stick with people.

I TOTALLY get being passionate, not connecting with what’s known on GB16, not being interested, feeling disappointed. I have several HUGE fan friends that aren’t digging it, but they aren’t being hateful about it. That’s a whole other conversation, though. Maybe another post later today, haha.

Good point on the experience angle. I guess that's my fall back. Even if the movie sucks, I'm going to have a good time seeing it. No big loss. I'm VERY jazzed and interested to see what they do with the recognizable franchise elements. Curiosity, I guess. The marketing materials don't bother me-- SPY looked absolutely horrible in the marketing materials, but I really liked the movie.

I'm also a big fan of Wiig, and my interest in the reboot has me really hooked on McKinnon's work. To answer your question, yes, I would absolutely be going to see a big-budget FX sci-fi comedy staring Wiig if it didn't have the GB brand attached. I'm really more of a fan of her absurdist material, which doesn't look like is being used in GB, but yeah... I'm giving it a chance. Not what I would have done if given the keys to the property, but it looks fun.

We’ve seen enough franchise reboots to know that they rarely meet our expectations. I’ve been disappointed enough to know that I have zero control over the output. GB16 is being made for the general audience, not hardcore fans. My expectations were adjusted and I’m having fun with it. Life is full of enough doggy doo, I don’t need to add Ghostbusters to the list.

...and I couldn't agree more on the PR judo. Good call on the name.

New international poster! Kinda reminiscent of the original!
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Everyone watch the video Neil posted.

I know people will say that it's crazy conspiracy theory bs.

But I truly believe this vid is flat out true. This IS what's going on in Hollywood.

And if true, is really lame. (Again I do believe it personally)

I'm not against women being the new ghostbusters. But I am about 99% full bore against this atrocity. Not because of any conspiracy, or the cast, or even the director. Just because of the fact that when I see the footage that they have shown... It isn't funny. It doesn't seem tangible and real. It doesn't even feel like the girls were REALLY having fun.

I would think this looks horrible for a brand new ip, let alone using GB. How can anyone under 14 think this looks good?

Please tell me. Seriously. What about any of this looks good? Do you honestly like the designs? The sense of humor? The AMAZINTASTIC graphics??? What?

I'm not seeing it.
 
Everyone watch the video Neil posted.

I know people will say that it's crazy conspiracy theory bs.

But I truly believe this vid is flat out true. This IS what's going on in Hollywood.

And if true, is really lame. (Again I do believe it personally)

I'm not against women being the new ghostbusters. But I am about 99% full bore against this atrocity. Not because of any conspiracy, or the cast, or even the director. Just because of the fact that when I see the footage that they have shown... It isn't funny. It doesn't seem tangible and real. It doesn't even feel like the girls were REALLY having fun.

I would think this looks horrible for a brand new ip, let alone using GB. How can anyone under 14 think this looks good?

Please tell me. Seriously. What about any of this looks good? Do you honestly like the designs? The sense of humor? The AMAZINTASTIC graphics??? What?

I'm not seeing it.
I haven't had a chance to check out the video, but I'm all over some juicy conspiracies. Are Amy Pascal and Paul Feig lizard people? We may never know. I wouldn't put anything past the film biz, though. If they ramped up hate and negativity in order to sell tickets, I wouldn't be shocked. It wouldn't be the worse thing to happen in the entertainment biz this year.

My interest and anticipation for the reboot aren't signs that I think it's going to be GOOD. There's only been one GOOD Ghostbusters movie, and I say that with a huge nostalgic love for GB2.

Like I said above, it looks like stupid fun. I'm a nostalgic sucker for GB, but I don't think it's going to stand neck-to-neck with the next Paul Thomas Anderson film. I'll be there opening night with a stupid grin plastered on my face.

If I'm wrong, I'll go peacefully, quietly-- I'll enjoy it! Yadda yadda.

Here's a new magazine cover-- let the hate run through you! I'm going to grab lunch and check out the new arrivals at my fav record store.

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Female super (!) heroes to me were never less "super" than male superheroes. Wonder Woman? Big Barda? Supergirl? Does it get any more "super"?

As I already wrote in a previous post, where is the need to change Thor (the SON of Odin) into a female. I have not read the current comics, so I have no clue what is going on. I understand how e.g. Beta Ray Bill came into the Marvel Universe, but gender swapping? Did Thor get a complete new backstory?
What about the Valkyries? As far as I know in the norse culture women were held in high regards and seen as equals?

I don't know about it either. I don't read comics these days. too convoluted with no real long term gameplan.

All I do know, is that in looking it up, this is the panel that preceded that one. it's like the writers making fun of everyone complaining in one shot ;o)

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apparently, according to the video, this comic thankfully didn't last long ;o).

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Everyone watch the video Neil posted.

I know people will say that it's crazy conspiracy theory bs.

But I truly believe this vid is flat out true. This IS what's going on in Hollywood.

and the funny part about that is, as the video pointed out.. Hollywood didn't even start it. our PC culture of not offending anyone with criticism started it, and hollywood just decided to run with it.


I am too old and sane and grumpy to live in this world ;o)..
 
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