GHOSTBUSTERS Pre-Release - film discussion only, no social commentary please!

I think Dan underestimated the dislike of this movie, be best for him to just stay quiet and roll around in the cash they gave him. I need to scrape up 8.00 as the dollar store in town has the 2 original movies in a box set lol. Boy that website sure is one sided in bashing folks who don't like the idea of the movie, they're as bad as the guys bashing it only because it has women in it. This movie is actually bringing out the worst in men and women.

another article posted bashing the fans, huh? not healthy to pay attention to those articles, so I've learned to ignore them ;o)


I'm curious as to why only spook central isn't afraid to speak the truth like a normal person.
all these other sites claim to be unbiased, but the way they post their articles in a snarky matter shows true colors, i think. they try to play both sides but fail miserably.
 
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I saw the original movies and love them. No, I've never built a proton pack nor have I co splayed as a 'buster but I am a fan. I saw these flicks in the theaters when they first came out. I love them and always have even after multiple viewings over the last 30 years. Yes, I would call myself a fan.
i went to see the new X-men today and saw the trailer for the new Ghostbusters. I laughed my butt off!
If you guys want to bash the film before even seeing it, convinced it's going to suck for one of a thousand different reasons, more power to you. Me? I'm going with the family and putting down my good money to see it. If it sucks, I'll come back and say so and move on with my life. If I love it I'll come back and say so and move on with my life.
It's just a movie.
 
It's been my belief that supporters of this film will go to any a length to convince themselves that it's A) not only good, but B)Good for the franchise, that they've gone beyond reason and have been driven to insanity like us 'haters' at this point.

Wow..you are like..so close to having an epiphany of some sort.
 
If you guys want to bash the film before even seeing it, convinced it's going to suck for one of a thousand different reasons, more power to you. Me? I'm going with the family and putting down my good money to see it. If it sucks, I'll come back and say so and move on with my life. If I love it I'll come back and say so and move on with my life.
It's just a movie.
Yay for mature logic! I'm a die-hard GB fan-- both movies were a huge creative influence on me well past childhood. The movie got me interested in the nuts and bolts of filmmaking, writing, illustration, FX, photography/cinematography, etc. I'm currently helping out on a really fun and comprehensive 'making of' doc on both GB films. I wasn't thrilled at the news of a reboot (but I was honestly less thrilled with the chance of another sequel). Expectations were adjusted and I'm having fun anticipating it. I'll be seeing it opening night with some pals. If it's a dud, we'll laugh about how bad it is. If it's a fun time, all the better.

I know this will come across as bashing, but it really seems like an issue of maturity at this point. Childishness, entitlement... whatever you want to call it. I would be lying if I said this thread isn't entertaining to read, though.

Here's another great article on the subject from Devin Faraci at Birth Movies Death. I'm usually not a big fan of his writing, but he made some great points with this one: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/30/fandom-is-broken

On the GB end, I'm loving the new UK TV spot! The wireless trap pedal was a neat reveal, though it looks like we're seeing two different scenes cut together. The trap that is shown has a big cable running off screen.
 
Here's another great article on the subject from Devin Faraci at Birth Movies Death. I'm usually not a big fan of his writing, but he made some great points with this one: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/30/fandom-is-broken

You beat me to it D. I love the ordering at a restaurant and customer is always right analogy. Some of the ladies on my team just finished up their reboot gear and immediately when I shared it on our social media accounts, were attacked endlessly and I have to delete overly hateful remarks. It just gets so old and annoying.
 
Uh...no, sorry. Childish is being bothered by the reality that consumers actually have opinions.

It's great that you like stuff. Sometimes other people dont like the same stuff you do.
No one is saying "like it or else", but there is a vocal segment of the fanbase that has been, well... less than mature in how they express their opinions on the matter. For the most part, it seems "but the bloggers are just as immature" is the only rebuttal I've seen trying to justify the behavior. Great discussion is awesome on both sides, but some of what is in this thread (as well as other fan sites) seems better suited for an elementary school playground.

You don't like it? Fine... but we don't need to continuously hear about it month after month. There's not need to actively root for something to fail. Sure, this is a discussion board and we're discussing. If it's gravy for someone to come on here and make fun of the director's name or verbally attack the FRANCHISE CREATOR, it's gravy for someone else to come on here and call that person out for being a bit childish.

Look at both sides-- one group may or may not be supportive of a movie, but willing to give it a chance. If they enjoy it cool, if not, no worries. The opposite side posts hate-fueled commentary on every aspect of development and production, most of the time with zero context. This is continuous-- practically verbal stomping and kicking. Which side sounds the most mature?

Of course, that's just my two cents, though.

You beat me to it D. I love the ordering at a restaurant and customer is always right analogy. Some of the ladies on my team just finished up their reboot gear and immediately when I shared it on our social media accounts, were attacked endlessly and I have to delete overly hateful remarks. It just gets so old and annoying.
I remember when GB fans were generally thought to be cool people. :)
 
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Actually, I'd say that Devin...rather misses the point in his piece.

At least with several of the examples he cited about fan "entitlement."


With Mass Effect 3, people were pissed off not simply because the ending wasn't all happy happy joy joy, but because the people who'd been playing the games for several years and supporting the franchise itself were basically told "Your actions in each game will have an impact going forward." Now, that may not have been a reasonable expectation, but that was the bill of goods the fans were sold. When the ending of the game basically said "It doesn't really matter what you do because here's how the game ends," fans got pissed. This is entirely understandable and isn't about "entitlement" so much as being bulls**tted by EA and Bioware. Actually, I suppose it IS about entitlement in the sense that when someone tells you a product is going to do XYZ, you feel entitled to the product...actually doing that when you open the box. But that's not the same as "Wah, I wanted MY version of the timeline to be the definitive one!"

With the recent "Cap = Hydra!" reveal, again, it's not about not liking the story choice of Cap being a bad guy. And yes, Hydra basically ARE the Marvel equivalent of the Nazis, or rather neo-Nazis, if you prefer. The Red Skull absolutely is a Nazi, and founded Hydra. Whether Hydra was gonna fight the Nazis or not, they're basically the Marvel universe version of the Nazis. What Devin either misunderstands or purposely ignores is that at least a good portion of the outrage about this isn't about fan ownership, so much as it's about Marvel's choice in how to execute their "heel turn" (which, almost certainly, will be hand-waived away later). It's not just that Cap is a bad guy. It's that he's a Hydra bad guy. It's that he's a Nazi bad guy. It's bad enough that Marvel's move is just the kind of typical lazy BS that major comics publishers do to purposely court controversy and (they think) boost sales and buzz. But to have it be this particular symbol switching to that particular representation of evil is the real problem. But, again, Devin isn't really interested in having that debate and casually dismisses and delegitimizes it out of hand.


Does fan entitlement exist? Sure! I think anyone who says otherwise is just as blind or purposely ignorant as writers, like Devin, of these kinds of thinkpieces are. But the examples selected here ignore the real, legitimate criticisms in favor of harping on the author's own preferred punching bag, and then seeks to equate all dislike of whatever XYZ franchise is doing as being based around an easily dismissed, easily belittled attitude.

You know what I see an increasing amount of lately? I see an increasing amount of thinkpieces written by writers with deadlines who are more interested in discussing their own take on the subject than in actually engaging the fan communities head-on. I see a lot of writers who are more interested in courting the current controversy in a sexy way that will grab eyeballs than I see an honest discussion of what's actually happening. Most of all I see that desire to latch on to the sexy controversy as (A) focusing solely on a very visible, very stupid/insane/ridiculous aspect of the fanbase, while (B) then simply arguing that all of the fans = these specific wackadoos/jackasses/idiots.

This is like when an editorial writer for a major newspaper uses "the cab driver I was talking to this weekend" or "the number of yard signs I see for XYZ candidate" as a launching pad for whatever ponderings they have about a given political campaign, as if their anecdotal observations equate to the sum total of what is a far more complicated discussion if you actually give a damn about having one instead of just promoting yourself and your viewpoint.
 
I remember when GB fans were generally thought to be cool people. :)

Yeah I had that discussion yesterday with some of my members when we were having a gear build day. The fandom was united all these years in hopes for a new movie, then when we get one it shatters the community.
 
Uh...no, sorry. Childish is being bothered by the reality that consumers actually have opinions.

It's great that you like stuff. Sometimes other people dont like the same stuff you do.

We are talking about a level of vitriol at a movie that has not even been seen yet. It is childish.

If someone sees a movie or reads about it after it comes out and hates it then fine, they can have an INFORMED opinion on the movie.
 
No one is saying "like it or else", but there is a vocal segment of the fanbase that has been, well... less than mature in how they express their opinions on the matter. For the most part, it seems "but the bloggers are just as immature" is the only rebuttal I've seen trying to justify the behavior. Great discussion is awesome on both sides, but some of what is in this thread (as well as other fan sites) seems better suited for an elementary school playground.

I highlighted a particular word because I think it's worth really paying attention to.

We're talking about a segment of various fanbases. And yes, I'd argue that the segment under discussion is usually less than mature. Although, as I discussed above, not in every instance. Alternatively, while they may express themselves in an immature manner, the underlying grievances are not universally without merit.

So, no, I don't seek to excuse that behavior (except insofar as to point out that, in some cases, it may be driven by legitimate criticisms). Rather, I find it irritating that the bloggers in question are only interested in discussing the segment of the fanbase and then go on to equate it to the sum total of the fanbase, or at least completely ignore the other legitimate concerns out there.

That's what I don't like.
 
We are talking about a level of vitriol at a movie that has not even been seen yet. It is childish.

If someone sees a movie or reads about it after it comes out and hates it then fine, they can have an INFORMED opinion on the movie.

I published a synopsis of this film a year and a half ago, which they adhered to pretty faithfully throughout production. I've had first-hand accounts of auditions and filming in both Boston and NYC. The clunky Aykroyd cameo was first reported on from one of my sets. The Sony emails laid bare the horrific internal process that led to the reboot approach we're being presented with, and there have been legitimate leaks regarding the post work, reshoots, and screenings. The studio has reportedly been in panic mode for a year now, and it's only ratcheted up (leading to those VERY late reshoots). There have been enough featurettes, trailers, spots, and interviews to have a good idea of the resulting film. Dismissing the conversation on the basis of the release date not being here yet is a weak deflection of genuine, informed criticisms. If you don't want to take up the film's side in the debate, I don't blame you for a second! That doesn't mean we can't have the conversation without you, and it doesn't take away from the legitimacy of our complaints.

The only reason the misogynists seem so prevalent is due to high-profile people (Feig, Faraci, et al) trying to paint all of us with that broad brush. Why would they do that? Well, those detractors - who I truly believe are in the minority- are easier to rebut than those with legitimate grievances. Why discuss the issues when you can just claim a moral high ground for a lazy, crummy entry in a cherished franchise which deserved better?
 
I published a synopsis of this film a year and a half ago, which they adhered to pretty faithfully throughout production. I've had first-hand accounts of auditions and filming in both Boston and NYC. The clunky Aykroyd cameo was first reported on from one of my sets. The Sony emails laid bare the horrific internal process that led to the reboot approach we're being presented with, and there have been legitimate leaks regarding the post work, reshoots, and screenings. The studio has reportedly been in panic mode for a year now, and it's only ratcheted up (leading to those VERY late reshoots). There have been enough featurettes, trailers, spots, and interviews to have a good idea of the resulting film. Dismissing the conversation on the basis of the release date not being here yet is a weak deflection of genuine, informed criticisms. If you don't want to take up the film's side in the debate, I don't blame you for a second! That doesn't mean we can't have the conversation without you, and it doesn't take away from the legitimacy of our complaints.

The only reason the misogynists seem so prevalent is due to high-profile people (Feig, Faraci, et al) trying to paint all of us with that broad brush. Why would they do that? Well, those detractors - who I truly believe are in the minority- are easier to rebut than those with legitimate grievances. Why discuss the issues when you can just claim a moral high ground for a lazy, crummy entry in a cherished franchise which deserved better?

That's sexist. :p
 
Now I don't care one wit for this movie but there is one thing making it tolerable-I was at Wal-Mart this morning and they had the new GB toys out and what'd they have with it?



I got Peter as that's all I had the cash for,but I'll get Ray,Egon,and Winston when I go back and when they get all of them in (they just had Ray and Peter) so I may not want to have anything to do with the new film but I can get behind some new stuff from the old one :thumbsup
 
I published a synopsis of this film a year and a half ago, which they adhered to pretty faithfully throughout production. I've had first-hand accounts of auditions and filming in both Boston and NYC. The clunky Aykroyd cameo was first reported on from one of my sets. The Sony emails laid bare the horrific internal process that led to the reboot approach we're being presented with, and there have been legitimate leaks regarding the post work, reshoots, and screenings. The studio has reportedly been in panic mode for a year now, and it's only ratcheted up (leading to those VERY late reshoots). There have been enough featurettes, trailers, spots, and interviews to have a good idea of the resulting film. Dismissing the conversation on the basis of the release date not being here yet is a weak deflection of genuine, informed criticisms. If you don't want to take up the film's side in the debate, I don't blame you for a second! That doesn't mean we can't have the conversation without you, and it doesn't take away from the legitimacy of our complaints.

The only reason the misogynists seem so prevalent is due to high-profile people (Feig, Faraci, et al) trying to paint all of us with that broad brush. Why would they do that? Well, those detractors - who I truly believe are in the minority- are easier to rebut than those with legitimate grievances. Why discuss the issues when you can just claim a moral high ground for a lazy, crummy entry in a cherished franchise which deserved better?

I truly believe this wouldn't even be an issue not more than three years earlier. something in between now and then has changed, where negative thoughtful criticism, or negativity of any kind = bad. I've even fallen for the argument that you can't pre judge something until you've seen it. I wasted money on Spy and Bay Turtles one to prove them wrong. never again. You CAN pre judge something based on pre release material. it's what thinking people do. if something feels bad to you, looks bad, and has bad vibes, chances are based on your sense of self and what you like personally, it will turn out bad.

Batman VRS Superman I got that vibe right from the start. Suicide Squad I got that vibe( I plan to skip that one, even though I like the characters from their appearance in justice league unlimited). FeigBusters, Bay turtles.....I havn't really been wrong yet.


Where as something like Flash from the WB, my first thought was 'I'm going to like this.' Sleepy Holly on Fox? Same reaction. some of my favorite things from modern hollywood to boot.

but what I'm seeing more of, and what absolutely sets me off is people shaming you for having thoughtful, negative opinions on a movie that they happen to like. It's OK, apparently, to pre judge it if you havn't seen it if you are POSITIVE. but god forbid you are negative. Crazy uncle bill is loose from his meds again.

everything we've seen on this film and in this thread, is that sony is trying to cause fan divide and controversy. most of these articles are just people writing stuff to get click baiters and controversy driven traffic. I seriously hope the world isn't that deluded and gullible into believing sony's spin on things. everything aykroyds tweeted so far reads 'sony approved'. the last thing that I think he truly wrote is the one that got deleted because it spoiled a reveal.
 
Some of the negative discussion is thoughtful. Some of it.

I think most people aren't saying you can't DISLIKE something (or pre-judge as you say) before you see or research the movie but the LEVEL of negativity is bonkers.

Batman VRS Superman I got that vibe right from the start.

Wow but somehow you have not kept that thread alive for months with your (?)thoughtful negativity.
 
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