Found! Obi-Wan Kenobi ANH Lightsaber Emitter
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Gigatron
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Hey guys,
Not exactly emitter related, but sort of cool none the less (at least I thought so).
I think this is additional proof (not that it's needed) that they had an entire engine to play with.
It's the scene in in Luke's garage, if you look in the background you can see the front end of the derwent (the screen/filter - see post #208, pg. 11 to see it on an engine).
-Fred
Not exactly emitter related, but sort of cool none the less (at least I thought so).
I think this is additional proof (not that it's needed) that they had an entire engine to play with.
It's the scene in in Luke's garage, if you look in the background you can see the front end of the derwent (the screen/filter - see post #208, pg. 11 to see it on an engine).
-Fred
BAlinger15
Community Founder
They had an entire plane to play with...not just an engine.
-Brandon
-Brandon
lonepigeon
Master Member
I've only seen evidence of the one engine.
Well, one Derwent and another type used for Falcon parts.
We already knew about the T-16's engine piece. Nice screencap though and I see they used the compressor main case behind the air intake. It's odd that they used the front air intake on there since the rear intake would normally be attached to the compressor main case like that.
The rear intake which would go there is also in the garage on top of the Lars family speeder.
The impeller is on the Death Star gun earlier in this thread.
Well, one Derwent and another type used for Falcon parts.
We already knew about the T-16's engine piece. Nice screencap though and I see they used the compressor main case behind the air intake. It's odd that they used the front air intake on there since the rear intake would normally be attached to the compressor main case like that.
The rear intake which would go there is also in the garage on top of the Lars family speeder.
The impeller is on the Death Star gun earlier in this thread.
BAlinger15
Community Founder
I heard a story from an ANH prop guy that they brought in an entire plane and just went to town on it, stripping it for all the set/prop dressing etc.
Later,
-Brandon
Later,
-Brandon
JHVanOphem
Well-Known Member
Don't forget they also had access to Vicker Viscount passenger plane parts. The reading lamps went to Artoo.
I checked, the engines, while also made by Rolls Royce, were propeller type.
I checked, the engines, while also made by Rolls Royce, were propeller type.
lonepigeon
Master Member
Interesting info. Did he say anything about the plane type, general size, something descriptive?
We have parts from 3 different planes spotted in ANH.
The Derwent seems to be the most used so it's possible it was the most complete and a part of this whole plane they used. Since there only seems to have been one Derwent I'm also guessing the plane they had was a single engine (not a Meteor). It could be the source of the Falcon ejection seats too.
If we could figure out the plane used just think of how many prop parts we could find.
Brandon - Any thoughts on how junk from ANH survived to ESB (ie. IG-88's head)?
I would think much of it would have gone back to the scrap yard.
lonepigeon
Master Member
To make it a little easier to keep track of parts ID'ed from the Derwent I've started a color coded chart. Anything colored has been spotted.
RED - Luke's T-16
ORANGE - Death Star Gun
GREEN - Cantina/IG-88/Obi emitter
YELLOW - Lars family speeder
UPDATE - I did some checking and there were TWO Death Star guns and there was a Derwent impeller on each. We might be looking for a twin engine plane like the Meteor.
RED - Luke's T-16
ORANGE - Death Star Gun
GREEN - Cantina/IG-88/Obi emitter
YELLOW - Lars family speeder
UPDATE - I did some checking and there were TWO Death Star guns and there was a Derwent impeller on each. We might be looking for a twin engine plane like the Meteor.
JHVanOphem
Well-Known Member
I swear the nozzle box is used somewhere. It just looks so familiar.
lonepigeon
Master Member
It might be on the side of the Death Star guns, hard to tell from the few pics I glanced at. I couldn't say for certain. It looks familiar to me too. So does part #17 but I can't place it either.
JHVanOphem
Well-Known Member
Actually that part reminds me of the base of Palpatine's throne.
BAlinger15
Community Founder
I'll have to check my notes but I don't think I have specifics on the plane...I doubt it's the type of thing someone would remember after 30 years, though they might be able to describe it.
It seems like since there were a number of canisters used in ANH, some of them may have been kept at Elstree for general prop hire/use. I imagine IG-88 was built by the special effects dept for Empire, and not the prop dept. I know they did 21B, the probe droid, etc.
Somewhere I have some solid info on what plane the Falcon ejection seats likely came from. I would loovveee to be able to find one of those seats. Let me look into it.
Later,
-Brandon
It seems like since there were a number of canisters used in ANH, some of them may have been kept at Elstree for general prop hire/use. I imagine IG-88 was built by the special effects dept for Empire, and not the prop dept. I know they did 21B, the probe droid, etc.
Somewhere I have some solid info on what plane the Falcon ejection seats likely came from. I would loovveee to be able to find one of those seats. Let me look into it.
Later,
-Brandon
BAlinger15
Community Founder
This on the ejection seat, I had another source suggest Jet Provost as well:
I remember the cockpit views from this film showing Martin-Baker seat
structures being used with Harrison Ford and his Animal friend sitting on
them. The seats were Mk 4 probably from RAF surplus Jet Provost or Royal
Navy Sea Venom aircraft.
-Brandon
I remember the cockpit views from this film showing Martin-Baker seat
structures being used with Harrison Ford and his Animal friend sitting on
them. The seats were Mk 4 probably from RAF surplus Jet Provost or Royal
Navy Sea Venom aircraft.
-Brandon
Stormy320
Sr Member
Can't remember where I heard this, but perhaps someone can confirm. Could be from Kershner on the SW DVD.
The Bounty Hunter scene was very last minute. Obviously, Boba Fett was designed early on, but during production the bounty hunter scene was devised.
Apparently, all the bounty hunters were made in a few days. This would explain why there are so many cannibalized parts and few design sketches.
The Bounty Hunter scene was very last minute. Obviously, Boba Fett was designed early on, but during production the bounty hunter scene was devised.
Apparently, all the bounty hunters were made in a few days. This would explain why there are so many cannibalized parts and few design sketches.
Prop Runner
Sr Member
Chris, all the aircraft models that were powered by the Derwent were twin-engined. For a review, see my post # on this thread:
http://www.rpf.invisionzone.com/index.php?...8&#entry1091668
Looking at each plane's fuselage, canopy, lift surfaces, landing gear, fuel tanks, and pylons, and comparing them to set pieces and props in ANH might shed that one clue that determines if and which plane was cannibalized, if that was the case. Do we know for a fact that the production had access to aircraft rathr than just engines? And did they receive a complete aircraft or did they merely have access to an aircraft scrap yard?
- Gabe
lonepigeon
Master Member
PR - The CL-30 Silver Star (T-33 variant) was single engine (shown in your post). It's the one I was thinking of, but it's powered by a Nene. That entire post only stated planes powered by Nene's though and we can rule those out.
To quote Brandon a few posts up:
"I heard a story from an ANH prop guy that they brought in an entire plane and just went to town on it, stripping it for all the set/prop dressing etc."
That's a firsthand account that they did have a whole plane.
So can we gather a list of planes which used Derwent 8 and 9's?
Here's a start:
1. Meteor
- Gloster F.8 (two Mk8's)
- Gloster FR.9 (two Mk8's)
- Gloster PR.10 (two Mk8's?)
- Armstrong-Whitworth NF.11 (two Mk8 or 9's)
- Armstrong-Whitworth NF.13 (two Mk8's) (oddly produced before the 12)
- Armstrong-Whitworth NF.12 (two Mk9's)
- Armstrong-Whitworth NF.14 (two Mk.9's)
2. DeHavilland Comet
I think twin engines are more likely because of the second impeller I just noticed on the DS gun, but we shouldn't rule out single Derwent planes (if any exist).
To quote Brandon a few posts up:
"I heard a story from an ANH prop guy that they brought in an entire plane and just went to town on it, stripping it for all the set/prop dressing etc."
That's a firsthand account that they did have a whole plane.
So can we gather a list of planes which used Derwent 8 and 9's?
Here's a start:
1. Meteor
- Gloster F.8 (two Mk8's)
- Gloster FR.9 (two Mk8's)
- Gloster PR.10 (two Mk8's?)
- Armstrong-Whitworth NF.11 (two Mk8 or 9's)
- Armstrong-Whitworth NF.13 (two Mk8's) (oddly produced before the 12)
- Armstrong-Whitworth NF.12 (two Mk9's)
- Armstrong-Whitworth NF.14 (two Mk.9's)
2. DeHavilland Comet
I think twin engines are more likely because of the second impeller I just noticed on the DS gun, but we shouldn't rule out single Derwent planes (if any exist).
Prop Runner
Sr Member
My bad - I meant this post:#117, which lists all the Meteor variants:
http://www.therpf.com/index.php?...dpost&p=1086075
The Meteor is the only aircraft I'm aware of that was powered by Derwent engines, twin or otherwise.
The Silver Star, as I posted in #186, is a Canadian-built version of an American fighter, and as such, I wouldn't expect it to be found in an English aircraft graveyard or scrap pile... Just using logic here. The fact that two impeller blades were used backs up the Meteor theory as opposed to the production having had access to just one Derwent engine. To seal the deal, let's count the number of Derwent combustion chambers used in ANH: at least two 2 in the Mos Eisley Cantina:
Can anyone confirm more combustion chamber capuccino makers?
How about the Falcon's quad cannon? It made use of 4 chambers:
Do we know if two full-scale cannons were built, or just one, which was used to shoot both Han and Luke's dogfight scenes? If there's just one, we have a minumum total of 6 Derwent combustion chambers used in the film. But if there were two cannons, the minimum total is 10, which implies 2 engines, since one engine has 9 chambers.
Any other possible props or sets using the Derwent exterior and/or interior combustion chambers? I'm seeing possibly one or two more on the Death Star Laser cannon:
My hunches have been right before...
- Gabe
http://www.therpf.com/index.php?...dpost&p=1086075
The Meteor is the only aircraft I'm aware of that was powered by Derwent engines, twin or otherwise.
The Silver Star, as I posted in #186, is a Canadian-built version of an American fighter, and as such, I wouldn't expect it to be found in an English aircraft graveyard or scrap pile... Just using logic here. The fact that two impeller blades were used backs up the Meteor theory as opposed to the production having had access to just one Derwent engine. To seal the deal, let's count the number of Derwent combustion chambers used in ANH: at least two 2 in the Mos Eisley Cantina:
Can anyone confirm more combustion chamber capuccino makers?
How about the Falcon's quad cannon? It made use of 4 chambers:
Do we know if two full-scale cannons were built, or just one, which was used to shoot both Han and Luke's dogfight scenes? If there's just one, we have a minumum total of 6 Derwent combustion chambers used in the film. But if there were two cannons, the minimum total is 10, which implies 2 engines, since one engine has 9 chambers.
Any other possible props or sets using the Derwent exterior and/or interior combustion chambers? I'm seeing possibly one or two more on the Death Star Laser cannon:
My hunches have been right before...
- Gabe
lonepigeon
Master Member
LOL I know what you mean Barry.
All these parts that just a few weeks ago we would have been describing as "round thingys" or some such now have technical terms like balance pipe, flame tube etc.
All this stuff is sinking in. I could almost take apart an engine.
On a more serious note...
PLEASE BE HONEST WHEN CONTACTING PEOPLE REGARDING THESE PARTS.....
I just received an e-mail from my contact that a member here has been showing the pics I posted to Derwent/Meteor owners claiming to be restoring an engine and needing parts.
You're not fooling anyone..
Meteor/Derwent owners are a small group and they tend to know each other. Word gets around faster than with camera dealers.
Furthermore you're just making the situation more complicated for others who are already in contact with these people (like myself or Serafino).
Here's what he said (minus the name):
>>>>"One other thing; I've received two enquiries from different colleagues from a -------. He appears to have the photos I took for you of our engine (not so sure about his balance pipe pics). He is claming to be restoring a Derwent, but this is clearly not the case. Are you aware of his efforts? I assumed he was one of your contacts but I appreciate he may not be. It might prove counterproductive if organisations and individuals get bombarded with requests"<<<<
I asked before that people contact me when they have a lead they'd like to follow.
I'm not bossing anyone around, but it helps to know who's doing what. I was doing that for the benefit of the group to avoid problem situations.
There are some members already looking into a few scrap engines and I've been helping them out. This should be a group effort.
All these parts that just a few weeks ago we would have been describing as "round thingys" or some such now have technical terms like balance pipe, flame tube etc.
All this stuff is sinking in. I could almost take apart an engine.
On a more serious note...
PLEASE BE HONEST WHEN CONTACTING PEOPLE REGARDING THESE PARTS.....
I just received an e-mail from my contact that a member here has been showing the pics I posted to Derwent/Meteor owners claiming to be restoring an engine and needing parts.
You're not fooling anyone..
Meteor/Derwent owners are a small group and they tend to know each other. Word gets around faster than with camera dealers.
Furthermore you're just making the situation more complicated for others who are already in contact with these people (like myself or Serafino).
Here's what he said (minus the name):
>>>>"One other thing; I've received two enquiries from different colleagues from a -------. He appears to have the photos I took for you of our engine (not so sure about his balance pipe pics). He is claming to be restoring a Derwent, but this is clearly not the case. Are you aware of his efforts? I assumed he was one of your contacts but I appreciate he may not be. It might prove counterproductive if organisations and individuals get bombarded with requests"<<<<
I asked before that people contact me when they have a lead they'd like to follow.
I'm not bossing anyone around, but it helps to know who's doing what. I was doing that for the benefit of the group to avoid problem situations.
There are some members already looking into a few scrap engines and I've been helping them out. This should be a group effort.
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