Found! Obi-Wan Kenobi ANH Lightsaber Emitter

[PHArchivist]

"XXX is now working on installing the engine starting system while he has unrestricted access to the center section."

"Prudent wheeling and dealing over the past four years means that the group now owns four aircraft, 12 engines and probably the largest store of Meteor spares in the world"

http://www.meteorflight.com/



"The museum has recently acquired Gloster Meteor WH453--
It is planned to restore the Meteor back to a F.8--
We believe we have located most of the parts required to do this--"

http://www.bentwaters-as.org.uk/html/meteor.html





Not sure if these would help or not...

 

[kurtyboy]

OK I'll ask them.

Originally posted by PHArchivist@Oct 4 2005, 05:04 PM
"XXX is now working on installing the engine starting system while he has unrestricted access to the center section."

"Prudent wheeling and dealing over the past four years means that the group now owns four aircraft, 12 engines and probably the largest store of Meteor spares in the world"

http://www.meteorflight.com/



"The museum has recently acquired Gloster Meteor WH453--
It is planned to restore the Meteor back to a F.8--
We believe we have located most of the parts required to do this--"

http://www.bentwaters-as.org.uk/html/meteor.html





Not sure if these would help or not...

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[ssdesigner]

I'd imagine that everything else could be sold back or left at the surplus for scrap. Perhaps that would cut the cost down a little as well?

I think this is the way to go. Maybe we could set up the sale of the rest of the parts somewhat even BEFORE purchasing this engine?

If the IG-88 heads are correct I think it would be worthwhile either way if all the ducks are in a row before buying it.

-Ss

 

[Serafino]

They keep them flying by owning extras and and not flying them too much. They probably make some parts when needed themselves, in any case I'm sure new parts are done on a custom basis.

 

[Gigatron]

Originally posted by PHArchivist@Oct 4 2005, 04:55 PM
From Wikipedia:

"Although many Gloster Meteors survive in Museums and collections only five remain airworthy, four in the United Kingdom and a F8 fighter which was exported to Australia in 2002."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor

Questions: 
How do the propietors of these five aircraft KEEP them airworthy?

When their Derwents go kaput, where do they go to get them running again?

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Probably to the Williamson scarpyard in englin :lol.

But before we pony up any cash, or make plans to buy anything, we need to do a few things first:

1) get verification from either rolls royce, or an RR spec sheet to determine which engine has the correct parts, either a MK8 or 9 and any of their variants.

2) determine for an absolute fact (not somebody's memory - a tech sheet) that the engine has 1 or 2 obi emitters per coupler (not doubting serafino's source, would just rather see it in writing or blueprints) - suppose 18 people pony up, but there are only 9 emitters

3) determine which engine this yard has on hand - maybe a british member with a copy of the blueprints or serial numbers could do a visual check

and finally, the one I really hate to bring up:

4) if there are only 9, or even 18 for that matter, how do we determine who gets first crack at them? Is it fair that they go to the people who can put up the most cash, but did no research? The people who did all the research (i.e. looking up parts, determining what's what (what about those without access to high speed internet or can't spend their free time looking), or making phone calls? Or first come first serve (maybe people with money or did research aren't near a machine when they come up for sale)? With a limited number of pieces available (unless we actually do find the RAFs part supplier), this is a legitimate concern.

I think everyone should chime in concerning point 4, now that this is an actual possibility.

-Fred

 

[Killdozer]

Originally posted by MigMan@Oct 4 2005, 12:39 PM
I checked my supply of engione parts and came up empty. All of my parts are for newer engines. A friend of mine in Florida deals in military surplus so I sent him a picture of the engine and asked him to check into it. Since I collect aircraft parts it is not that unusual. He emailed me back and said a friend of his has an engine for sale  that looks very similar but he would have to check with him on the make, model and price. It may be an American made copy, an Allison A35 or a Russian KV-1 though. I am hoping he may have a spare combustion chamber for whatever model engine it is he could send so I can disassemble it and see if the parts are what we need before proceeding. I will let you know more soon I hope.

-MM

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Didn't Pratt & Whitney have the license to produce the J-48, a version of RR's Nene 10?

KD

edit: Next Friday, I'll be visiting the museum which houses the RR engine in PropRunner's photos. Unfortunately, it looks like the interconnectors will not be visible in the cutaway, but I may be able to get some pics of gear possibilities.

 

[MigMan]

The RR engine was copied in the US and Russian. The is version was the General Electric J33 which later became the Allsion J33 and the Russian was the KV-1 but there were some changes made to the engines to aid in mass productions. I do not know what these changes are which is why I am tring to get a spare combution tube from one of thes engines to verify it is what we are actually after. The Russian copies would be made with metric parts instead of standard SAE parts but it may still be close if not exactly the same. Only time will tell. The J-33 are much more readily available IF the parts are the same as the RR engine.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_jet_power

"Allis-Chalmers runs into difficulty on the J36, and the Shooting Star project is re-engined with the General Electric J33, a licensed version of the W.2B/26, or Rolls-Royce Derwent."

Just a thought. I hope my friend in Florida can come through with a spare comustion chamber so we can verify the parts are acutually there.

-MM

 

[Lordsandy]

I would be willing to pay for the head and emitter so if anyone is putting together a deal please keep me in mind.

Jsande8551@aol.com

 

[Gigatron]

I just sent an email to these people: http://www.airsam.clara.net/.

Here's a copy of the email, in case anyone is wondering how it was worded

Hello,
I am looking to see if you have a very particular part on hand, or if you know where one can be acquired. The part in question is the combustion chamber intercconector from either a Rolls Royce derwent mk 8, mk9 or the Nene, commonly found in the Glostor Meteor and somtimes, the vampire.

I am unable to tell from currently available information if this particular part was changed, design wise, between the three engines. Also, some people I have spoken with have mentioned a difference between the left and right side couplers, but I have not been able to find verifiable proof. If this is the case, I would need to know the availability and price of both.

Thank you very much for your time, and all help and information is greatly appreciated.

Hopefully, we'll here back from them.

-Fred

 

[Lordsandy]

Just read Freds post.

If someone participated in locating or Id'ing these parts that cant afford one I could also help that person.

Jim

 

[Serafino]

On the question of how to divide the spoils, so long as we are talking about a very expensive group purchase, the only way credit is going to be given to people for research is if those putting money in are willing to give a gift of gratitude to someone who researched but doesnÂ’t have money. That will have to be voluntary, and/or it will have to be arranged/required by the person who actually is in the position to materially go buy the engine. IÂ’m ok with that in principle.

Frankly I donÂ’t know how to put monetary value on this sort of thing, nor how to fairly divide up the recognition for the research. ItÂ’s already pretty obvious that opinions differ on who contributed more or less.

The fact is it is very rare for people who sweat blood doing research in this hobby to get material credit for it. In my experience, when that happens itÂ’s because one person had the kindness to see to it.

So I guess the question is: whoÂ’s going to decide how to share this out, if itÂ’s not to be based on cash?

A bit off topic: although I have every sympathy with those who want IG88 heads, because those probably canÂ’t be replicated easily, we are now talking about doing something which will lose us any sympathies the aeronautical folk have if they know about it. Food for thought.

Although I would be seriously happy to enshrine a real emitter part and contemplate it daily with great reverence, IÂ’d be pretty happy just to have photos and full specs for the exact right one, along with the good wishes of the people who have a similar passion for their own hobby.

 

[Gary Weaver II]

4) if there are only 9, or even 18 for that matter, how do we determine who gets first crack at them? Is it fair that they go to the people who can put up the most cash, but did no research? The people who did all the research (i.e. looking up parts, determining what's what (what about those without access to high speed internet or can't spend their free time looking), or making phone calls? Or first come first serve (maybe people with money or did research aren't near a machine when they come up for sale)? With a limited number of pieces available (unless we actually do find the RAFs part supplier), this is a legitimate concern.

Its a perfectly valid concern. I know from my end I truly hope that those involved in the parts discovery could at least get a shot.

I was the one who theorized that the IG head came from a Rolls Royce Engine about a year or two ago and Chris confirmed it with just a little more Web Searching. I'd hope that at least he and I could say if we wanted one or not (I KNOW I do). As I said before I would like both or at the very least an IG Head.

After that I'd say Blaxmyth (for figuring out the emitter) and Kurtyboy (for doing the legwork in Britain) should get a chance to say yay or nay.

That would be 4 down... as for the other 5 I have no idea. I do agree that how much someone wants to pay should NOT be a deciding factor into how these get broken up.

Oh, and if I were to get an IG head - you can GURANTEE that there would be replicas for anyone that wanted them from me.
Either Roto Cast resin, Vac-Form, or Metal... No idea yet.

-Gary

 

[PHArchivist]

Someone once told me. "Don't count your chickens before they hatch..."

 

[JOHNLP (OBI-JOHN)]

So are you all ready to "go to press" and claim that THIS IS IN FACT the source for the emitter?

Great work guys. You all are

AWE.....................(wait for it)..........................SOME.

 

[Blaxmyth]

Originally posted by gw2tulsa@Oct 4 2005, 06:24 PM
After that I'd say Blaxmyth (for figuring out the emitter) and Kurtyboy (for doing the legwork in Britain) should get a chance to say yay or nay.
-Gary

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Thanks Gary, but I'd rather have a replica, on the basis that I'd rather see the real items being enjoyed by the really serious prop collectors on the board. I'll be more than happy to end up with a replica that's been made from specs provided. Come to that, I'd be happy with one of the existing replicas, especially considering the huge amount of work that went into their construction.

So I'll happily step aside from this.

Cheers, Phil

 

[obee1]

I guess there are many of us who would love to have a shot at this. I DEFINITELY want one of these if they are found. I have spent countless hours of work on this saber along with Serafino in trying to reproduce the emitter as closely as possible. We still have fallen short. I would like the opportunity to take this piece to my guys and have them turn out perfect replicas of it in steel just like we did the serafino-obee1 emitter.


also....wouldn't it be great to see ALL the REAL parts assembled together?

i have a REAL grenade in perfect condition, a real accurate model A. S. handwheel, real clamp, real exactra bubbles....now all i need is the emitter and the gear....

i suppose in the end it is up to the guy who procures this engine to determine who get them huh??

 

[Havoc]

regardless of who gets it ... I just wanted to say great job to Blaxmyth for lighting the fire and everyone else involved up to this point .

 

[kurtyboy]

That's it. I'm going to take out a bank loan to buy that Derwent just so that I can be the first person to complete an Obi ANH from all original parts since the mid 1970's.

Originally posted by obee1@Oct 4 2005, 07:59 PM
I guess there are many of us who would love to have a shot at this.  I DEFINITELY want one of these if they are found.  I have spent countless hours of work on this saber along with Serafino in trying to reproduce the emitter as closely as possible.  We still have fallen short.  I would like the opportunity to take this piece to my guys and have them turn out perfect replicas of it in steel just like we did the serafino-obee1 emitter.


also....wouldn't it be great to see ALL the REAL parts assembled together?

i have a REAL grenade in perfect condition, a real accurate model A. S. handwheel, real clamp, real exactra bubbles....now all i need is the emitter and the gear....

i suppose in the end it is up to the guy who procures this engine to determine who get them huh??

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[kurtyboy]

... I'm kidding.

 

[lonepigeon]

Would you believe the guy I've been e-mailing at Duxford is a Star Wars fan?
I'd like to share the first paragraph from his latest e-mail:

"First things first; thank you for explaining the reasons behind your query. It would have been easy to avoid the issue, and knowing the "old guard" in both the museum and historic aviation world, it was somewhat of a risk. Call it "Graflex syndrome" As it happens, you've found a museum professional who is also a big Star Wars fan, and recognises the importance of reflecting trends in our more recent history, and that museums need to be collecting to reflect popular culture. After all, Star Wars is nearly thirty and we have aircraft in the collection that are "younger" than that. I can't resist adding that I'm a fan of Master Replicas too, though currently I only have a (much loved) Force FX blade. I have browsed through your website a couple of times, and was interested to see examples of your artwork in your bio."

I love that he referred to "Graflex syndrome".
The rest of his e-mail was very interesting and I will share soon, but I'm awaiting some further info from him.

Perhaps Duxford would be interested in the leftover spare parts if we go for that Derwent at Anchor Supplies.