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[Art Andrews]

Freedom of speech is my credo... You can say that I am an *******, it's your right, and I will always fight to protect your right !

Interesting. I have seen a number of people, lately, hide behind the BS of "we are just protecting everyone's freedom of speech." The fact is, what you are doing is hiding behind the bastardization of a noble concept in an effort to justify being able to say anything you want... and that isn't what freedom of speech is about. There is a significant difference between freedom of speech and defamation. I would think, as a lawyer, that difference would be pretty clear to you, so lets not play games about what you are truly protecting.

If the fellows who leaved this group didn't liked it, it's their right, but I don't appreciate to see my intentions misunderstood !

The thing is, your intentions aren't being misunderstood. We have all said, your initial intent was a great one. Several people have also commented on how it would appear your intentions have changed... you just don't appreciate that people aren't comfortable with your current intentions.

 

[Supa troop]

Whoa Guys Please lets not fall out over this issue.

The FB group was started in good faith and as mentioned has indeed served it's purpose, by leaving the group and airing my thoughts on how sour the group has turned is not a reflection on the creator of the group or his skill to moderate it, after all that group is not affiliated to the RPF and can have as its members anyone it sees fit.

I have seen enough infighting and bitching on this forum over the many years i have been a member to last me a life time and i chose not to be subjected to it via a FB group.

I had great respect for one of its members too however after seeing my name thrown around implying i am some sort of spy was not on in my opinion and rather than engage in online arguments i chose to take myself out of the equation.

 

[EvilRocketeer]

I agree with Simon....lets all take a step back and breath

Lets stop this infighting and move on. There are more important things going on right now to get worked up over a silly FB group.....

JD asked for an Official Rpf Group which can be controlled and moderated. One was created...Lets move on....

Festivus is over and airing of grievances will have to wait until next year......

If it cant wait, then maybe a discussion in a pm will be better

 

[Thibault]

There is a significant difference between freedom of speech and defamation. I would think, as a lawyer, that difference would be pretty clear to you, so lets not play games about what you are truly protecting.

Seriously ???
So, when people said in this group that you were a cool guy and worried about you because of the hacking, that was defamation ?

The thing is, your intentions aren't being misunderstood. We have all said, your initial intent was a great one. Several people have also commented on how it would appear your intentions have changed... you just don't appreciate that people aren't comfortable with your current intentions.

I INVITED IN THIS GROUP A CURRENT MOD OF THE REPLICAPROPFORUM !!!!!!!!!!
Seriously Art, that's paranoia !!!

 

[EvilRocketeer]

Seriously ???
So, when people said in this group that you were a cool guy and worried about you because of the hacking, that was defamation ?

I INVITED IN THIS GROUP A CURRENT MOD OF THE REPLICAPROPFORUM !!!!!!!!!!
Seriously Art, that's paranoia !!!

Seriously, there is a ton of miscommunication/confusion going on. Maybe there is a language barrier too :confused

THI the group started off great and everyone was having fun and joking around. We came together in a positive way when the site was down. Now, the group has become less joking around and more defamatory comments towards Art and the site.

The comments have turned from positive to negative. Check the group again and read the second to the top post. I had to re-read it to figure out what the heck was going on since not all of the comments show up on my phone

 

[JD]

I don't have time to copy and paste and reply to every little detail in this thread.

Yes, I disagreed with the way Larry's original banning was handled. Parts of the way that was handled still bug me. Frankly, I had hoped Larry would return eventually from his current banning (and yeah, I mentioned that to a few folks here and there)... I think what happened in that 'Hitler' thread was forgivable given that the outburst had some sort of provocation. I think we all know it's way beyond that now.

It was fun seeing Larry back, but right from the get-go I had concerns that other banned members would be allowed in... banned members whose crimes were far less 'forgivable' (at least in my eyes) than Larry's.

Thibeault, I appreciated the Fallout Shelter. I did not you were the one who created it or I would've addressed you directly when I opted to leave. I thank you for creating it and showing that it could work... but, as I said I had concerns about the whole idea of it from the onset.

I thought the whole idea of the Fallout Shelter was for us discuss and have fun away from the RPF - during the hack and while the chat room was offline. Well, at least that's the way I thought it was supposed to be... I enjoyed myself there and I think lots of us had fun there.

I spoke up when another banned member joined... I spoke up because I was around years ago and I saw what happened when certain folks are alround. I don't want to be around those people, I've learned those lessons... and frankly, that goes back to my original fears with tying personal information in a much more direct fashion to the RPF (ala Facebook).

Thibault, I've heard from you twice on Facebook - and we're not even 'friends.' Once, back in September when certain folks were warned about 'plotting against the RPF' - in which we had a bit of discussion how thing's on the RPF seemed to be a little out of control during Larry's initial ban and then again about the Fallout Shelter. Obviously, you have issues with the way things are handled at the RPF and that carried over onto the Fallout Shelter...

I too have some reservations, but I'm not going to allow myself to be blindsided by the coy arrogance of some and just allow them to continue to poison the well - perhaps that's why there's been an exodus from your group? Maybe thing's are just too negative with some of the people that have been allowed in? Well, I could say I told ya so... oops, I guess I just did.

In the end, this is just a hobby forum board. Yeah, it's a bit more to some of us... but, damn, get some perspective on the matter - life's too short.

I'm going to go eat my Cheerios and do my crossword now.

 

[JD]

I INVITED IN THIS GROUP A CURRENT MOD OF THE REPLICAPROPFORUM !!!!!!!!!!
Seriously Art, that's paranoia !!!

Yeah... and a slew of posts were also deleted when it was discovered that Art was invited to the group as well.

That's paranoia.

 

[Thibault]

Yeah... and a slew of posts were also deleted when it was discovered that Art was invited to the group as well.

That's paranoia.

I wasn't the one who deleted them, but you mean, your deleted posts ? Deleted in your favor ? :facepalm

 

[Thibault]

Yeah, JD, you mean, when you heard me when I warned you to remove your "free larry young" avatar, because Art told us to remove them, but you weren't included in his PM ... Be nice with someone and he will bite your hand !

 

[Bootlegger137]

Yeah, JD, you mean, when you heard me when I warned you to remove your "free larry young" avatar, because Art told us to remove them, but you weren't included in his PM ... Be nice with someone and he will bite your hand !

So you're equating JD leaving your FB group, stating the reasons he left, and asking Art to consider starting an "official" FB group with "biting your hand?"

I'm pretty sure we've all said that the group was started with great intentions. No one questions that. I applaud you for thinking of it, because the thought never even crossed my mind. It was a brilliant idea. What is being questioned...or, more accurately, lamented...is the direction in which the group has gone.

 

[JD]

I wasn't the one who deleted them, but you mean, your deleted posts ? Deleted in your favor ? :facepalm

I stand by everything I posted. I spoke up when posts were deleted (mine included) when it was discovered that Art was sent an invite. No one did anything 'in my favor' and I really don't think I need your protection (as was extending via message).

I didn't delete a single post of mine until I left the group - at which point I deleted everything I could that I posted. Nothing in my favor - just a blanket deletion.

 

[Thibault]

So you're equating JD leaving your FB group, stating the reasons he left, and asking Art to consider starting an "official" FB group with "biting your hand?"

I'm pretty sure we've all said that the group was started with great intentions. No one questions that. I applaud you for thinking of it, because the thought never even crossed my mind. It was a brilliant idea. What is being questioned...or, more accurately, lamented...is the direction in which the group has gone.

You hadn't get it Chris... Nothing to do about the FB group.
What I meant is that :
I warned JD in september that he should remove his avatar concerning the Larry's temp banning, so that he won't have troubles with Art and could keep his membership there, because, a dozen of members, including me, were warned and asked to warn other members that had this kind of avatar.
I never mentioned the RPF handling, just the fact I was upset ... And I have enough class to not copy and paste our FB conversation...

For the rest, the official FB group is a good way to allow members to express themselves in an easiest way, like we have done in the group. It's more "fun"
And I never disagreed with this or blame members to join it ... That would be stupid !!!

What I don't appreciate is "the way things have been handled" comments... Come on guys ! It might be a "care bears" comment, but we are a sort of family and friends united by the love of movies and props... If you didn't liked it, you could have just leave it, and that's all...
I might be oversensitive... I just thought it wasn't nice to say this, that's all. :unsure

 

[JD]

And I have enough class to not copy and paste our FB conversation...

Yet, you copied and pasted Art's Private Message to you regarding the avatar/code of conduct to me in a message? Ummm...

Yeah, I wasn't part of another Facebook group that received a warning about their Free Larry avatars. I wasn't a part of that group - therefore, it was Ok for me to have that avatar.

What I don't appreciate is "the way things have been handled" comments... Come on guys ! It might be a "care bears" comment, but we are a sort of family and friends united by the love of movies and props... If you didn't liked it, you could have just leave it, and that's all...
I might be oversensitive... I just thought it wasn't nice to say this, that's all. :unsure

I can understand this. But, I find it odd that your group spends its time bitching about the RPF/Art --- yet it's ok to handle it that way?? That's hypocrisy at it's finest.

Practice what you preach.

 

[JD]

FWIW - yes, several months ago I had a Free Larry avatar as has been discussed here. I was allowed to keep that avatar because I was not part of Fb group that was allegedly critical of the RPF.

In 2005, I had a couple of avatars that I was asked to remove (in fact at least one was pulled). These avatars were Monoply images and I believe a monetary figure. I got harassing PMs from members regarding it. One moderator went in and deleted it - while I was PMing another mod about it. In fact, one Mod asked me to remove it as 'personal favor.'

Just so you know I'm not stranger to avatar 'censorship' (cough).

 

[JD]

Also Thibeault, was one of the messages deleted from a banned member stating that he would physically assault Art if he were to meet him in person?

Will also add: have banned members in your group admitted they have sock pupper accounts here on the RPF?

 

[Organic Mechanic]

Y'all sound like bickering old maids. It's a friggin' FB group.

 

[Bootlegger137]

Y'all sound like bickering old maids. It's a friggin' FB group.

This is true. The thread probably should have been locked after Art created the group.

Oh well. :rolleyes

Perhaps it's time to move this discussion to the appropriate place...the OT? :lol

 

[JD]

It's a sign the RPF is getting back to normal, ain't it?

 

[Art Andrews]

It's a sign the RPF is getting back to normal, ain't it?

My thoughts exactly. We must be somewhat getting over the hacking incident if we are all back to strangling each other... :unsure

 

[Alan Castillo]

My thoughts exactly. We must be somewhat getting over the hacking incident if we are all back to strangling each other... :unsure

Seen this happening too.

Don't you just love us though ! :lol :thumbsup