Episode 9 lightsaber reveal???

I kept reading but this is where I tuned out. Sorry, I've just become numb to terrified man-children spending the past decade spewing mouth-foaming rage over the "s-jew" bogeyman and poisoning the entire spectrum of genre fandom.

Abrams makes bad movies because he's a bad storyteller. That's about where my overlap with that post begins and ends. I picked Super 8 as an example because it's not connected to any IP, or any studio and their "agenda." Guess it didn't work.

(And I like The Last Jedi. Yes, it's flawed – it's too long, Finn's arc doesn't really work because he kinda doesn't have one, it overplays its hand a bit with the Holdo stuff, and there is no way in heck that Poe would or should be let off the hook for staging a mutiny – but it's got more inventiveness in it's little finger than the other three post-buyout movies combined. The Luke/Rey/Kylo material works like gangbusters. Johnson seems like a guy who has things to say and things to communicate, and he mostly does so successfully. I resign myself to being barraged by angry fans.)
 
And I like The Last Jedi...I resign myself to being barraged by angry fans.)

BLASPHEMER!!!

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Since everyone wants to talk about everything other than a movie prop, we have moved the thread to the entertainment forum.
 
I kept reading but this is where I tuned out. Sorry, I've just become numb to terrified man-children spending the past decade spewing mouth-foaming rage over the "s-jew" bogeyman and poisoning the entire spectrum of genre fandom.


And this right here is a part of the problem.

I can only speak for myself, but my fundamental concern is story and characters. That’s all that matters. As a card-carrying STAR TREK fan, I freely proclaim that diversity and representation are GOOD things. A good story is a good story, regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation. And I’m not so narcissistic that I believe all characters everywhere should represent me. I LIKE seeing through the other end of the telescope, and being exposed to new ideas.

But the filmmakers and the fans who lap this current stuff up hide behind the “diversity” shield and hurl out all those labels— “manbabies” and “trolls” and “toxic fans” whatnot. Terrible, insulting writing is deflected by all those “isms”: “If you don’t like this film, you’re a racist/sexist/homophobe!”. The ham-fisted politicization of genre fiction is what’s killing it, not “toxic fans”. It’s an irrational, “We’re going to tell you what to like, and if you don’t like it, then go away” mentality. Not the best way to appeal to as wide a customer base as possible. STAR WARS used to be for everyone, and now it very clearly is not. The core fanbase is treated as an impediment to the hip, young fanbase which Disney/LFL is chasing after. Except that changing the core aspects of a product to pander to a hoped-for new fanbase ends only one way. The core fans jump ship, and the new fans never materialize.

I don’t like it because the writing is awful, and the characters are shallow cyphers designed to pander to that young, woke, phantom audience that doesn’t actually care enough to buy the product. And if you don’t see a social agenda at play, here, then you’re not stepping back enough to see the big picture.

Unfortunately, modern-nerd culture has been infected by people who are using the characters and the stories as propaganda and marketing tools rather than telling stories about the characters. Rey is a Mary Sue, not a three-dimensional character with goals and hopes and a character arc. She’s awesome just because she is, with no need for training or hardship. Her “arc”, such as it is, is being affirmed in her awesomeness. WONDER WOMAN is a solid film with a story and a main character who has an arc. CAPTAIN MARVEL is a mediocre film about a Strong Woman (tm) who was always awesome throwing off the shackles of the evil patriarchy and showing everyone just how awesome she is. Yawn. These days, it’s all about virtue-signaling and affirmation rather than exploring characters with flaws and telling interesting and thematically-rich stories.

THE ORVILLE is great because it did what STAR TREK used to do—use three-dimensional characters to explore social issues from different angles, and then allow the audience to draw its own conclusions. STD is awful because it tells the audience WHAT to think, has terrible writing with no grasp of science or believability, and displays blatant misandry and elitism. An awful show which insults everything STAR TREK once stood for. To say nothing of all the canon inconsistencies.


When all of these great properties are dead and gone, the filmmakers and the few fans who remain will be scratching their heads and wondering what happened, and still blaming “toxic fans” instead of bad, agenda-driven storytelling.

Story and characters come first, always. This is what Lucas understood, and this is why even the prequels are better that the counterfeit sequels.

The sequel trilogy cannot be salvaged. There is literally nothing that can be done to fix it. They blew all of their goodwill and their one opportunity to do it right. It’s over. The only thing left is to see whether Abrams and company triple-down on their shallow, agenda-driven, poorly-written nonsense, or if they desperately try to pander with nostalgia and lure disenfranchised fans back in. Either way, they’ve painted themselves into a corner, and there’s no way out.

And I hope Lucas laughed all the way to the bank.
 
And this right here is a part of the problem.

I can only speak for myself, but my fundamental concern is story and characters. That’s all that matters. As a card-carrying STAR TREK fan, I freely proclaim that diversity and representation are GOOD things. A good story is a good story, regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation. And I’m not so narcissistic that I believe all characters everywhere should represent me. I LIKE seeing through the other end of the telescope, and being exposed to new ideas.

But the filmmakers and the fans who lap this current stuff up hide behind the “diversity” shield and hurl out all those labels— “manbabies” and “trolls” and “toxic fans” whatnot. Terrible, insulting writing is deflected by all those “isms”: “If you don’t like this film, you’re a racist/sexist/homophobe!”. The ham-fisted politicization of genre fiction is what’s killing it, not “toxic fans”. It’s an irrational, “We’re going to tell you what to like, and if you don’t like it, then go away” mentality. Not the best way to appeal to as wide a customer base as possible. STAR WARS used to be for everyone, and now it very clearly is not. The core fanbase is treated as an impediment to the hip, young fanbase which Disney/LFL is chasing after. Except that changing the core aspects of a product to pander to a hoped-for new fanbase ends only one way. The core fans jump ship, and the new fans never materialize.

I don’t like it because the writing is awful, and the characters are shallow cyphers designed to pander to that young, woke, phantom audience that doesn’t actually care enough to buy the product. And if you don’t see a social agenda at play, here, then you’re not stepping back enough to see the big picture

Unfortunately, modern-nerd culture has been infected by people who are using the characters and the stories as propaganda and marketing tools rather than telling stories about the characters. Rey is a Mary Sue, not a three-dimensional character with goals and hopes and a character arc. She’s awesome just because she is, with no need for training or hardship. Her “arc”, such as it is, is being affirmed in her awesomeness. WONDER WOMAN is a solid film with a story and a main character who has an arc. CAPTAIN MARVEL is a mediocre film about a Strong Woman (tm) who was always awesome throwing off the shackles of the evil patriarchy and showing everyone just how awesome she is. Yawn. These days, it’s all about virtue-signaling and affirmation rather than exploring characters with flaws and telling interesting and thematically-rich stories.

THE ORVILLE is great because it did what STAR TREK used to do—use three-dimensional characters to explore social issues from different angles, and then allow the audience to draw its own conclusions. STD is awful because it tells the audience WHAT to think, has terrible writing with no grasp of science or believability, and displays blatant misandry and elitism. An awful show which insults everything STAR TREK once stood for. To say nothing of all the canon inconsistencies.


When all of these great properties are dead and gone, the filmmakers and the few fans who remain will be scratching their heads and wondering what happened, and still blaming “toxic fans” instead of bad, agenda-driven storytelling.

Story and characters come first, always. This is what Lucas understood, and this is why even the prequels are better that the counterfeit sequels.

The sequel trilogy cannot be salvaged. There is literally nothing that can be done to fix it. They blew all of their goodwill and their one opportunity to do it right. It’s over. The only thing left is to see whether Abrams and company triple-down on their shallow, agenda-driven, poorly-written nonsense, or if they desperately try to pander with nostalgia and lure disenfranchised fans back in. Either way, they’ve painted themselves into a corner, and there’s no way out.

And I hope Lucas laughed all the way to the bank.

All great points. Very well done, indeed.
 
Rey is a Mary Sue, not a three-dimensional character with goals and hopes and a character arc. She’s awesome just because she is, with no need for training or hardship. Her “arc”, such as it is, is being affirmed in her awesomeness.

I don't want to go to far down the rabbit hole.........but with that said. I do believe your wrong about Rey.

Rey was abandoned by her parents when she was child. Living on world covered in the relics of the past era. Suddenly she thrust into the galactic conflict between good and evil. Things begin happening to her that she doesn't understand. She finds herself doing things she didn't know she could do. She's scared. Her questions are some of the oldest in the world. Who am I? What am I? What is my purpose, what is my place in this world? TLJ literally spells it out for us. "I need someone to show me my place in all this" is what she tells Luke. She's Rey from nowhere, from nobody. But she wants to be Rey Skywalker, or Solo, or whatever. She wants who she is spelled out by someone. But that's not how life works. You have to find who you are on your own two feet. It's the real hero's journey, it's story of growing up, of finding your identity. How did George put it again? "It’s a film for 12-year-olds. This is what we stand for. You’re about to enter the real world. You’re moving away from your parents. You’re probably scared, you don’t know what’s going to happen. Here’s what you should pay attention to: Friendships, honesty, trust, doing the right thing. Living on the light side, avoiding the dark side."
 
The background is pretty much the death stars interior....cant believe its real. As much as I like the death star, they better not have another type of planet/solar system destroying machine.....thats half built.
 
Soooooo according to Mark Hamill the poster is the work of a UPF.

What he actually said was “I'm pretty sure that's just the (wonderful) work of a passionate fan.”

That makes it an opinion, not fact. I’m not saying it’s real, just setting the record state.
 
What he actually said was “I'm pretty sure that's just the (wonderful) work of a passionate fan.”

That makes it an opinion, not fact. I’m not saying it’s real, just setting the record state.

That's why I said "according to Mark Hamill" I probably should have been more clear though.
 
That's why I said "according to Mark Hamill" I probably should have been more clear though.

He was saying it was fake the day before too, but John Boyega was saying it was real. What I read on one of the news pages was that they believed it might be something created for internal LFL/Disney use only and not what is to be an official poster.
 
He was saying it was fake the day before too, but John Boyega was saying it was real. What I read on one of the news pages was that they believed it might be something created for internal LFL/Disney use only and not what is to be an official poster.

There's something about C-3PO that seems fishy. I get the feeling the crew was fooling around one day and decided to kit him out, just for laughs.
 
And then decided that they would use that image of 3PO armed to use as some sort of promotional material without it ever amounting to anything in the finished film? It's just a gimmick to build hype whether or not it makes it into the final cut.

I kept reading but this is where I tuned out. Sorry, I've just become numb to terrified man-children spending the past decade spewing mouth-foaming rage over the "s-jew" bogeyman and poisoning the entire spectrum of genre fandom.

I must be a "terrified man child" too because I hate the new Star Wars films. I wasn't aware that I have helped "poison the well of genre fiction" too by speaking out against what I see is a tonal shift in the franchise I hold near and dear to my heart. Isn't it amazing how when someone criticizes the ideas presented in these new films, or the characters, there are those who are quick to label us "man children" or "hate filled" or some other absurd title? I've also on many occasions been labeled a "fan" in quotation marks as if because I have an opposing opinion that I am somehow not as valid a fan as someone who eagerly gobbles up anything with a Star Wars label on it. Scarecrow Joe is notorious for that kind of thing.

I've never personally attacked fans for liking or hating a movie. I may have criticized their ideas but always try to remain respectful. I don't know why the same courtesy isn't reciprocated and you wonder why we get so pissed off when we are dismissed with that kind of attitude.

The truth of the matter is that we are ALL fans. None of us would be participating in this nonsensical debate about a fictional universe if we weren't. Love the new material or loathe it, but there is no need to be rude about it, even if you disagree. Joek3rr and I do not see eye to eye on a lot of things regarding Star Wars, but I respect the guy, even if he annoys me at times and I think he's totally wrong. He's still a person and still a fellow fan and he's entitled to his opinion. After talking with him more, I have to say I really like him. His enthusiasm really comes through and that is encouraging to someone like me who can be pretty cynical.

It's the dismissive attitude that I can't stand. Disagree with someone, sure! But there's no need to attack a person's character because they don't agree with you. We have enough of that in politics, do we really need it here too?
 
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Yep. Terrified man baby over here too!

Terrified that my daughter has to grow up in a world where such negative, sterotypical, women hating films such as TLJ are produced and lauded by the masses as something to be thankful for.
 
Going off the basis this poster is gen, then i'm disappointed beyond belief. I love the Graflex and I was a huge fan of Kylo's mask, but I fully went along with them both being destroyed, and why they were.

To shoe horn them both back in, really has affected my excitement for Ep IX now. Is that an OTT reaction? Probably.
 
The repaired Graflex, the repaired Kylo helmet are symbols for JJ putting everything back together after TLJ...

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Don't read to much into it. Misdirection with Star Wars promotional stuff is on an all time high. Remember when all the TFA promotional stuff showed Finn with the Skywalker saber? Everyone guessed he was the new lightsaber wielding hero.
 
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