Episode 9 lightsaber reveal???
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Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
I'm happy to see the Graflex return.
I feel you in regards to the Sequel Trilogy. This movie will be the deciding factor on if I will come away with a positive or negative feel for the trilogy. I felt bored with TLJ. I understand the journeys of the character develop that they were trying to accomplish. But so much of it just seemed needless. There were a couple occasions that seemed promising and exciting only to fizzle out. I really enjoyed TFA. Yes, it seemed like a retelling of things we have already seen but I enjoyed watching it. Still think they should have started the new movie with Finn coming out of his coma only to find out that TLJ was just a dream. (reference Bobby Ewing from the show Dallas)
AnubisGuard
Master Member
Every bit as derivative as I expected JJ to be. He even had Ren glue his dumb mask back together, after TLJ made a specific point of it's destruction as symbolic of his character growth. But that's Abrams for you: he'll never move a story forward when a terrified retreat into the past will do.
russellsch
Master Member
Exactly!
TLJ killed every bit of interest in this new trilogy, for me. TFA was okay, but I haven't watched it since I saw TLJ.
I've said it before, & I'll say it again... ANH introduced us to new characters, ESB made us care what happened to them. TFA also introduced us to new characters, TLJ made me not give a rats a** about any of them. Kill 'em all off for all I care!
& 3P0 having Chewbaccas bowcaster & bandolier?!? I'm saying Chewbacca dies.
I refuse to believe this.
If this is real. If everyone involved in this is that detached, then I’m completely done with this. There’s no freaking way that is real.
If this is real. If everyone involved in this is that detached, then I’m completely done with this. There’s no freaking way that is real.
AnubisGuard
Master Member
Go back and watch something like Super 8 and tell me Abrams wouldn't do this. The guy has never had an original idea in his life. All he can do is remix the things he likes, stripped of the context that made them meaningful in the first place.
And studios like LucasFilm want him to do it because it puts butts in seats. Hollywood is a machine, and artistic integrity and vision are way, way down on the list of things you need in order to succeed here.
I just died inside a little bit
veektohr
Sr Member
It's gotta be fake, right?
So...this joke...
...may be close to reality??
...may be close to reality??
It's likely real. Mainly because all the characters are in the costumes they are wearing in set image leaks, and in the wardrobe department leaks we've seen-- as well as matching the consistent rumors. All the source material here is legit. It's not the one sheet though, it was shot by somebody at an merch exhibition. This is likely a retail outlet stand up-- like what they'd put on an endcap at Target.
So not the official one sheet-- but all the individual character images are legit.
So not the official one sheet-- but all the individual character images are legit.
This.
Ordinarily, I stick to discussing props in this forum, since that’s why we’re here. But I will make a rare exception to that in order to say that I saw this trainwreck coming on the day that the Disney buyout was announced in 2012. A classic case of “be careful what you wish for” for all those people who attacked Lucas for not meeting expectations with the prequels (a case of brilliant ideas and themes marred by problems in execution, whereas the Disney films consist of terrible ideas executed with a shiny veneer).
STAR WARS was a film made a a visionary (working with great collaborators). The sequels were made for commercial reasons (as all sequels are), but there was still plenty of heart and ideas in those films. The prequels were also both artistic and commercial, and I give them all the points in the world for trying new things and bringing some great ideas to the existing lore.
The Disney films are creatively bankrupt. Nostalgia-milking, soulless commercial products designed to—at best—trick fans into paying to see counterfeit sequels to the films they love. At worst, they’re glossy hackwork which puts social-justice propaganda and crass commercialism ahead of coherent stories, three-dimensional characters, and respect for the existing characters and lore. “Art” made by committee. Repaints and reboots and rehashes of older, better characters and ideas.
Everything Lucas was criticizing in his films—and also what his detractors accused him of being (creatively bankrupt, and just in it for the toys and merchandising)—is what these new films are. The irony is staggering. Disney/Lucasfilm have become the evil Empire that Lucas warned us against, since it has fought to crush all dissent, does not listen to the cries of the people for quality storytelling which also respects the past instead of exploiting it, and tries to tell people WHAT to think, instead of TO think. “If you don’t like it, then go away find something you do like”, is the attitude infecting too many beloved franchises these days, instead of striving for a better product which pleases a greater number of people. These “creators” all sound like Ian Faith, manager of Spinal Tap, handwaving diminishing returns by saying that the product’s “appeal has become more selective”.
These are the dark times, people. All of the great franchises are toppling like dominoes. They are in the hands of people who don’t understand them, don’t respect them, and will milk them for every last cent. The core fanbases are aging out and/or are alienated to the point of severing all ties. In a decade, people won’t care about STAR WARS or STAR TREK (or whatever) as an ongoing concern. These once-great properties will fall into the mists of history, along with things like FLASH GORDON and BUCK ROGERS. Unless someone comes along with some fresh new take which is completely unconnected to anything we know, instead of trying to exploit and twist what we know into something ugly and unrecognizable. Much as the Disney films have done to the beloved characters and stories of the original films, which have now been rendered moot. The good guys didn’t win, and they’ve all been disgraced and killed off, one by one, in favor of bland cyphers whom no one will care about in five years’ time.
It’s over. I’m just waiting for the body to stop twitching. But I still have the films I love, and they can never be tainted or taken away from me. I haven’t bought any of the new films on home video, and I stopped seeing them in the theater after ROGUE ONE. Because I predicted that THE LAST JEDI might turn out like it did, and I subsequently knew SOLO would bomb. PLAN IX FROM HYPERSPACE is a lost cause no matter what shiny nonsense that King of The Hacks Abrams pulls out of his precious mystery box. I’ve been waiting patiently for him to pay for what he did to STAR TREK, and now he’s finally gonna be caught holding the bag and remembered as part of the Axis of Ineptitude (along with Kennedy and Johnson) that killed STAR WARS.
The historical lesson of STAR WARS (aside from being taught in “How to kill an unkillable brand 101” in film schools) will be to appreciate what you had. More for the sake of more can end up destroying past, present, and future.
I don’t begrudge anyone for liking the new films (although I’ve been attacked for NOT liking them, which is a big symptom of what’s gone horribly wrong with the fandom and has caused it to completely melt down), but I’m done.
End of rant! Your mileage may vary, void where prohibited.
Anyway, the Graflex should never have been brought back to begin with. Its return (complete with a handwaved non-explanation for that return) is more nostalgia-milking. My favorite prop in movie history. Seeing it again made me warm and fuzzy, but it’s also a perfect symbol for this trilogy. A pointless rehash, followed by (literally) breaking the toys, and then a lackluster finale which attempts to put Humpty-Dumpty back together again. Nope. Sorry. Too late. Sometimes it’s better to leave these things alone. Of course, the problem is that it’s “show business” not “show art”, and so nothing is sacred or bulletproof.
laszlo
Sr Member
Amen Brother!
badboibill
Active Member
I mean, to be fair, ANH was just a remix of everything George liked and nobody really complained about that... I think JJ's probably gonna make IX in the same way George made the OT: take a bunch of tried-and-true story telling strategies and ideas and mash it up into something the audience will like. I can't find any fault in that... that's "Star Wars" to me. I get that the prequels tried something new, but ultimately people didn't like the whole "space C-Span" thing as much as the fantasy/adventure opera type of thing. And for what it's worth, RJ's TLJ was wildly different from the OT/TFA/R1 movies as well and (surprise surprise) a lot of people didn't like it and didn't think it felt very "Star Wars-y." Sometimes I think people want Star Wars to be just like Star Wars, and save the new/groundbreaking stuff for some other franchise. I sort of agree... I want Metallica to make more Metallica, Coke to make classic Coke, and Star Wars to be Star Wars.
TheUnchosenOne
Active Member
Given how many prop issues there were with the TLJ posters, I'm gonna wait for actual movie footage before I get too worked up about the possible return of the Graflex
Ridire Firean
Sr Member
Hey Gang! I know the poster image is fuzzy and all, but does anyone else besides me see that the "Band-Aid" looks an awful lot like a MPP Clamp?
Thomas Guycott
Active Member
I kept reading but this is where I tuned out. Sorry, I've just become numb to terrified man-children spending the past decade spewing mouth-foaming rage over the "s-jew" bogeyman and poisoning the entire spectrum of genre fandom.
