Episode 9 lightsaber reveal???

[Joek3rr]

I like Rey. I really do. She's a likeable character/ actor.

But her character went from nothing, to having all these incredible powers and skills quite literally over night. And that's the problem. There was no growth. They wanted to give the audience instant gratification like rolls of sod for your lawn grown from incredibly environmentally unfriendly sod "farms".

She had a little emotional growth, and that was fine and appropriate. But the powers side was stupid.

Wave of a lightsaber and taaa daaaa, practically a Jedi.

I also disagree with the real world comparison. She was already living an incredibly difficult and LONELY life. But she was thrust into new friendships. There was no you're entering the real world. She Was tragically already in it.

So Rey had a miraculous growth power. That's kinda the point of the first film, is it not? It's called The Force Awakens. And that's not just talking about the Force in Rey, it's talking about the Force is general. Rey is all of the sudden doing these things. And it scares her, shocks Ben, surprises Snoke(he thought Luke would be the one the Light would choose) that these things are happening.

Also consider. Why do we associate a growth in power with a growth in character? I was just thinking about something this morning. Right now the MCU is one of the biggest thing on the planet. Yet one the main characters,(and arguably one of the most popular) is given their power, and has had literally no growth or change in character. That being Captain America. In the first film we learn, that he willing to stand up for what believes, even if that were to cost him his life. He throws himself on a grenade, in order to save people. He literally hasn't changed, he's still the same person. Yet no one complains about him. What's the difference? Just something that popped into my head this morning.

And see that's the thing with Rey. Physically, yes she's already living in the real world. But emotionally and mentally, she's not. She lives in a fantasy. She can't stop needing her parents. Why? Because she doesn't who or what she is. She's searching for self identity. You have to stop needing your parents. You need to be independent, not just physically, but mentally and emotionally. So while Rey's is living on her own, mentally and emotionally she's not there yet. Or at least that's how I see it.

 

[Marv]

I think they actually forget kids get more adult natured content, and I think as you grow you still relate to it, which is why so many wicked films were about in the late 70s and 80s. Now kids films are aimed at 5 year olds and end up as complete tosh! This new trilogy or at least certainly these past two are testament of that.

 

[Joek3rr]

The really wasn't a clear threshold for Rey to have crossed (as per the heroes journey ) considering her everyday life was a struggle to survive. That's not a major criticism, just an observation.

Actually I think there is. And it's a bit on the nose. In the Hero's Journey, there's a call to adventure, the rejection of that call, then the acceptance of the call. Rey's call to adventure is literally the Skywalker saber calling to her. She rejects the call to adventure and the call of the lightsaber. And the acceptance is when she literally accepts the call and reaches out for the saber on Starkiller Base, and the saber comes to her. That's the crossing of the first threshold and the transition from the known to the unknown. Prior to that point all she's wants to do is get back to Jakku.

 

[Psab keel]

If her goal was to wait for her family on Jakku there is literally nothing stopping her but the entire plot of the movie. She has no reason to leave other than the plot dictates it. Luke is forced to leave because his family is killed and his home destroyed, leaving him with little choice so at least there is a real reason for him to go.

The problem with your premise is that the order is all mixed up. The threshold occurs much earlier in the cycle and it's actually the point in the story where the hero enters into a world they don't know or yet understand. It's typically a literal threshold and while there is a symbolic nature to that crossing, there needs to be a literal crossing to reinforce the symbolism behind it.

Luke entering the cantina to find passage to Alderaan or Jack Hawkins in Treasure island leaving the world he knows to go on the high seas are two examples. The threshold would be more like Rey leaving Jakku on the Falcon, but it doesn't hold the same impact because she doesn't have a guide who is taking her into the unknown and she's going into it blind which is fine if she's in the third act of her journey where she is off to face her destiny alone.

I know Finn and BB-8 are with her but she doesn't really know them.

I think this is one of the many structural problems with this trilogy. It may contain some of the pieces of the heroes journey but they are either without context or they are out of the correct order. Even if the hero is a new type of character and has a slightly different arc than Luke, that cycle has to be followed in the correct order to be effective. This is true of any story, not just Star Wars.

It just seems like they were so intent on Rey being self reliant that they neglected her need for having hero partners and guides which are essential for all characters in a story and another reason why her connection to the other characters seems tangential rather than necessary. She could accomplish a lot of her goals without the aid of friends, so why bother having the friends accompany her in the first place?

In fact Finn seems burdensome to her at points because she's constantly having to rescue him. Plus Han isn't an effective guide character because she's smarter than him, thus negating any need for him to teach her anything. Why didn't Han bypass the compressor on the hyperdrive? It's his ship. He knows it better than her. Has she flown all over the galaxy her whole life? No.

 

[ecl]

I just can’t wait to hear what kind of groovy music the Knights of Ren band will make. They’re all so brooding and dark with those helmets!

 

[Psab keel]

It would have been more effective if say the part she finds on the downed Star Destroyer in the beginning of the movie was similar to a part used in the defense systems of Starkiller base and she stole it, effectively helping disable the shields or something to that effect. At least in this scenario we have a set up that is paid off later in the story and it would show how smart she is by giving us context to why she is doing something rather than her just doing it and it magically working.

I know she is mechanically inclined, but being able to fix a ship isn't the same thing as flying a ship. There are mechanics who are horrible drivers.

What frustrates me is that I want to love these new movies but the more I've seen them they just fall apart for me the more I think about them. The potential they had, the characters they had, and the actors who portrayed them are so talented, it's just the story felt so rushed.

 

[Psab keel]

I just can’t wait to hear what kind of groovy music the Knights of Ren band will make. They’re all so brooding and dark with those helmets!

Lol. The Daft Punk backing band.

 

[Joek3rr]

I just can’t wait to hear what kind of groovy music the Knights of Ren band will make. They’re all so brooding and dark with those helmets!

You mean the Knights of Love, right?

 

[Psab keel]

Love it ! Hahaha

 

[Joek3rr]

Love it ! Hahaha

Literally Ren in Chinese can be translated as love

 

[Joek3rr]

If her goal was to wait for her family on Jakku there is literally nothing stopping her but the entire plot of the movie. She has no reason to leave other than the plot dictates it. Luke is forced to leave because his family is killed and his home destroyed, leaving him with little choice so at least there is a real reason for him to go.

The problem with your premise is that the order is all mixed up. The threshold occurs much earlier in the cycle and it's actually the point in the story where the hero enters into a world they don't know or yet understand. It's typically a literal threshold and while there is a symbolic nature to that crossing, there needs to be a literal crossing to reinforce the symbolism behind it.

Luke entering the cantina to find passage to Alderaan or Jack Hawkins in Treasure island leaving the world he knows to go on the high seas are two examples. The threshold would be more like Rey leaving Jakku on the Falcon, but it doesn't hold the same impact because she doesn't have a guide who is taking her into the unknown and she's going into it blind which is fine if she's in the third act of her journey where she is off to face her destiny alone.

I know Finn and BB-8 are with her but she doesn't really know them.

I think this is one of the many structural problems with this trilogy. It may contain some of the pieces of the heroes journey but they are either without context or they are out of the correct order. Even if the hero is a new type of character and has a slightly different arc than Luke, that cycle has to be followed in the correct order to be effective. This is true of any story, not just Star Wars.

It just seems like they were so intent on Rey being self reliant that they neglected her need for having hero partners and guides which are essential for all characters in a story and another reason why her connection to the other characters seems tangential rather than necessary. She could accomplish a lot of her goals without the aid of friends, so why bother having the friends accompany her in the first place?

In fact Finn seems burdensome to her at points because she's constantly having to rescue him. Plus Han isn't an effective guide character because she's smarter than him, thus negating any need for him to teach her anything. Why didn't Han bypass the compressor on the hyperdrive? It's his ship. He knows it better than her. Has she flown all over the galaxy her whole life? No.

Don't think of Rey's physical placement in the story. Just because bodily she's not Jakku, doesn't mean her mind is. Mentally and emotionally she's still back on Jakku. After she's done getting the Resistance she's heading home. She turns Han's job offer down, so that she can go back home, to nasty old Jakku.


You forget, the Falcon has been modified since then. Rey seems to know about those modifications. While Han just learned about them. I wonder if she even helped install or find the parts that added by Unkar.

 

[Joek3rr]

I know she is mechanically inclined, but being able to fix a ship isn't the same thing as flying a ship. There are mechanics who are horrible drivers.

What frustrates me is that I want to love these new movies but the more I've seen them they just fall apart for me the more I think about them. The potential they had, the characters they had, and the actors who portrayed them are so talented, it's just the story felt so rushed.

*cough* 9 year old Anakin *cough*


We're in the 3rd act of the story. Things ramp up and accelerate in the 3rd act.

 

[Psab keel]

I have all kinds of issues with Anakin as a character in the prequels other than that, though I agree that Anakin had the same issue. Just because he's a good mechanic doesn't necessarily make him a good pilot. In fact I would argue that George missed an opportunity to really show off Anakin's piloting skills in a more effective way other than the silly pod race which seemed unnecessary when he could have shown him flying in space battles. This is a minor point and one that I'm not too concerned about in context to the overall story. It's just another example of J.J. trying to show how self reliant or smart Rey is when I think there were more effective ways for them to have accomplished the same goal.

As far as Rey being mentally focused on Jakku, again I think you're reaching. Sure she wants to head back to Jakku after she delivers BB-8 but if she is so concerned with returning why would she not just leave BB-8 with Finn when he tells her he's a Resistance fighter and stay home? Why? Because the movie would be over otherwise. Again the logic just doesn't add up. In stories it works better for the characters to take the path of least resistance because that's naturally how the audience thinks. In order for her to leave there has to be some motivating factor that would force her to go. The reason Luke refused the call to adventure was because he was obligated to help his family on the moisture farm. When his family is killed that obligation is eliminated so he can leave. There is nothing holding him back at that point. His home is destroyed too to further drive the point. The way this is structured Rey wants to stay and wait for her family and then she has the call to adventure AFTER she already leaves the planet and THEN she refuses the call when she's already accepted it? See how the order is backwards. The call is what motivates the hero to leave or stay. She's already answered the call by leaving in the first place.

As far as your Captain America example, he might be considered a character with a flat arc, meaning his character doesn't change from beginning to end. Katniss Everdeen is a good example of a protagonist like this too. The difference is that in order for the audience to have that emotional arc with the characters the protagonist in stories like these may not change but the characters around them do experience an emotional arc that changes them as a result of the protagonists choices or beliefs.

Essentially the protagonist is the catalyst for the supporting characters, effecting the outcome of the story in the process. Given that Rey's involvement has little impact on the supporting characters it's can't really be argued that she takes on the flat arc protagonist archetype. Rey isn't integral to Finn choosing to desert the First Order and she doesn't even meet Poe until the very end of TLJ so she has zero impact on his character. Many of the major plot points don't even involve her.

 

[Joek3rr]

I have all kinds of issues with Anakin as a character in the prequels other than that, though I agree that Anakin had the same issue. Just because he's a good mechanic doesn't necessarily make him a good pilot. In fact I would argue that George missed an opportunity to really show off Anakin's piloting skills in a more effective way other than the silly pod race which seemed unnecessary when he could have shown him flying in space battles. This is a minor point and one that I'm not too concerned about in context to the overall story. It's just another example of J.J. trying to show how self reliant or smart Rey is when I think there were more effective ways for them to have accomplished the same goal.

As far as Rey being mentally focused on Jakku, again I think you're reaching. Sure she wants to head back to Jakku after she delivers BB-8 but if she is so concerned with returning why would she not just leave BB-8 with Finn when he tells her he's a Resistance fighter and stay home? Why? Because the movie would be over otherwise. Again the logic just doesn't add up. In stories it works better for the characters to take the path of least resistance because that's naturally how the audience thinks. In order for her to leave there has to be some motivating factor that would force her to go. The reason Luke refused the call to adventure was because he was obligated to help his family on the moisture farm. When his family is killed that obligation is eliminated so he can leave. There is nothing holding him back at that point. His home is destroyed too to further drive the point. The way this is structured Rey wants to stay and wait for her family and then she has the call to adventure AFTER she already leaves the planet and THEN she refuses the call when she's already accepted it? See how the order is backwards. The call is what motivates the hero to leave or stay. She's already answered the call by leaving in the first place.

As far as your Captain America example, he might be considered a character with a flat arc, meaning his character doesn't change from beginning to end. Katniss Everdeen is a good example of a protagonist like this too. The difference is that in order for the audience to have that emotional arc with the characters the protagonist in stories like these may not change but the characters around them do experience an emotional arc that changes them as a result of the protagonists choices or beliefs.

Essentially the protagonist is the catalyst for the supporting characters, effecting the outcome of the story in the process. Given that Rey's involvement has little impact on the supporting characters it's can't really be argued that she takes on the flat arc protagonist archetype. Rey isn't integral to Finn choosing to desert the First Order and she doesn't even meet Poe until the very end of TLJ so she has zero impact on his character. Many of the major plot points don't even involve her.

Isn't the point of Anakin's and Rey's incredible and to some degree Luke's, piloting skills to show the Force working through them? Anakin and Rey may not "know" what the Force is. But they do know that there's something there, and they can do things other people can't. I mean look at Qui-Gon’s reaction when Anakin is bragging to him that he flies Podracers. Qui-Gon gives the look of, "this kid isn't normal....something is going on here" And with Rey, Finn asks her "How'd you do that?" "I don't know." "No one trained you?" "I've flown some ships before, but I've never left planet." There's clearly something else going on.

And see I don't see that Rey has accepted the call to adventure, not until Starkiller. If anything she's gets 3 different calls. She could go with Finn and BB-8, accept the call but instead "I'll drop you two at Ponemah Terminal. ......" "What about you?" "I gotta get back to Jakku." She could stay with Han but, accept the call, but instead, "If you were, I'd be flattered. But I have to get home." "Jakku?" "I've already been away to long." This isn't really any different then Luke volunteering to take Ben to Anchorhead. He's helping, but he hasn't accepted the call yet.

 

[Psab keel]

2. Call To Adventure

The Hero's adventure begins when he receives a call to action, such as a direct threat to his safety, his family, his way of life or to the peace of the community in which he lives. It may not be as dramatic as a gunshot, but simply a phone call or conversation but whatever the call is, and however it manifests itself, it ultimately disrupts the comfort of the Hero's Ordinary World and presents a challenge or quest that must be undertaken.
The Hero's Journey - Mythic Structure of Joseph Campbell's Monomyth

Again she's already answered the call by leaving the world she knows behind and going on the adventure. You can't answer the call halfway through the adventure because she's already crossed the threshold. If anything what you are describing might be considered tests or trials, but I would argue that those tests aren't all that compelling because there was no catalyst for her to leave Jakku in the first place. Nothing is compelling her to go other than the plot of the movie that dictates she leaves. She had a pretty miserable life scavenging to survive so if anything she should have no problem leaving that awful place. So what if her parents dropped her off there as a kid? She can fly a ship. Why not just steal a ship and fly off to start a new life somewhere else? She meets BB-8 and suddenly she betrays the idea of staying to wait for her family after more than a decade because she crossed paths with a droid?


If anything it would have been more interesting if her emotional arc was that she had to learn to trust people after being abandoned and they structured her story around that. At least then we could relate to her. Even in real life people are reluctant to change their habits, even if they are open to it. Often something dramatic has to happen to get them to change.

Luke doesn't even try to find Ben Kenobi until R2 runs off and Luke is forced to go after him because he'd be in trouble with his uncle. When he encounters Ben and hears the full message from Leia Ben asks him to go with him and it's here that he refuses the call. Luke doesn't accept it until his family is killed and he returns to Obi-Wan and tells him he wants to learn the ways of the Force. Only then does he cross the threshold (the cantina) and begin the adventure by leaving his home (ordinary world) behind. His life may have been boring but by the Empire destroying his home and murdering his family he has a direct reason to leave and fight the Empire.

 

[Ridire Firean]

And that's the problem. There was no growth.

I know she is mechanically inclined, but being able to fix a ship isn't the same thing as flying a ship. There are mechanics who are horrible drivers.

I'd say the problem was that there was no training. Rey went from being a garbage picker straight to being a high-power padawan. And I don't think being a garbage picker makes you a culinary genius either. I never saw any technical manuals in how to repair ships in Rey's room. The only thing we ever get to see her actually fix is BB-8's bent antenna. All we really see is that she pulls random parts out of crashed vehicles and that she brings them to a guy who gives her food in trade for them. She is never shown to be any sort of mechanic. She is never shown to know what the parts she pulls out of wreckage are, nor what purpose they served. She's shown picking parts, cleaning parts, and trading those parts for food.

Please don't misuderstand me, I like Rey. I don't need Kristen or anyone else popping in to say I'm a Rey-hater or anything. (And yes I say that with great trepidation in that it may be taken the wrong way, I'm not trying to poke the bear so to speak, I just know how much she loves Rey and I don't want to get too far without saying I like her too and accidentally have everyone trying to Force-choke me because they think I don't). I just don't like how Rey's story is, or rather isn't, presented to us. Strip away the Force stuff and the unexplained mechanical genius and we're left with a character with a full range of emotions, who is both endearing and inspiring in her spirit.

I guess I care less about the amount of power they're giving her, than the fact that she all of a sudden knows how to use that power. It would have been more believable had she been in a dramatic situation where she cried out "STOP!" and everyone around her froze. Or if she'd thrown her arms out in a reflexive catching motion to someone falling and cried out "NO!" and she kept them from hitting the ground. She would have been able to put the two together in either case and learned from those types of scenarios. But no, she tells the guard to let her go, THINKING that it'll work. Who taught her that? Did she magically glean it out of her incounter with Kylo Ren when he was trying to Force-pry the map out of her thoughts? Was that from some story about Jedi-mind-tricks that she'd heard growing up? Then tell us in the story that that's how she figured it out! Without any lightsaber training she should have been chopped to pieces in the lightsaber duel with Kylo Ren. Did she magically glean all that knowledge too? I can give Finn a pass on surviving his encounter with Kylo in that we had already found out that Stormtroopers have a new anti-lightsaber weapon and have been trained to battle against lightsabers. One of the two Stormtrooper cadets would have used a lightsaber (or some sort of shinai/bokken stand-in / Obi-Wan's hut back-scratcher thingy) during that sort of training and they would have swapped back and forth who used what. But was Kylo really only trying to scratch Finn? I know... that's a different discussion. Where was I...

It's called The Force Awakens.

Yes, but it isn't called 'You are now a Jedi".

He literally hasn't changed, he's still the same person. Yet no one complains about him. What's the difference?

Captain America was given a serum to increase his physical abilities. He already knew how to run, now he can run faster. He already knew how to jump, now he can jump higher. He already knew how to duck, now he can duck faster. He already knew how to jump off of something, now he can survive jumping off incredibly high objects. He already knew how to fight (even as a scrawny dude, and even though he often lost, and like you said, he fights for what he believes in); now after the serum he has the ability to win because he's stronger. The serum didn't magically teach him how to do all of those things, it made him more capable of doing them.

Rey was given powers that are growing faster than she realizes. The more time that passes, the stronger she becomes and the more she learns about her powers. But there isn't much there to say how she's learning about them. And there's no explination as to why they're becoming stronger. Luke could only grow in his abilities by straining to use them. Luke could only become one with the Force when he was calm. And Luke was being taught not only how to connect with and use the Force, but also how to use a Jedi's weapon. Rey's being chased around and exponentially growing in the Force with no one teaching her anything... sounds like the quicker, easier path to me. But if she was being seduced by the Dark Side, there's no explanation of that either! So the difference is that Rey doesn't know what fuses do what... O.K. she still doesn't, bad example. Rey doesn't know how to fix spaceships, yet now she can. Rey doesn't know how to resist a Force-probe, yet now she can. Rey doesn't know how to Jedi-mind-trick people, yet now she can. Rey doesn't know how to Force-pull a lightsaber to her, yet now she can. Rey doesn't know how to duel with a lightsaber, yet now she can. In short Rey don't know. And now she can. Magically.

I wish her story had been told more thoroughly, more coherently, and without all the giant leaps that we're just supposed to absorb without explanation.

If it turns out Rey really is a nobody, I wish they'd have made her a separate story, and not a part of the Skywalker storyline. The sequel trilogy should have been about Luke rebuilding the Jedi, the new Ben should have been a Skywalker, Daisy Ridley should have been Jaina Solo, Adam Driver should have been Jacen Solo, and we should have had a FORCE TON of Grand Admiral Thrawn. Oh yeah, not to mention we could have had another kick-@ $ $ female character... Mara Jade anyone? How'd the S.T. get so messed up?!?!?!?!?!

That way Han wouldn't have been killed off by his son, Leia wouldn't have become Mary Poppins, Luke wouldn't have been Rianed, and to bring this back on topic... nobody would have torn the GRAFLEX lightsaber in half!

 

[Joek3rr]

Rey was given powers that are growing faster than she realizes. The more time that passes, the stronger she becomes and the more she learns about her powers. But there isn't much there to say how she's learning about them. And there's no explination as to why they're becoming stronger. Luke could only grow in his abilities by straining to use them. Luke could only become one with the Force when he was calm. And Luke was being taught not only how to connect with and use the Force, but also how to use a Jedi's weapon. Rey's being chased around and exponentially growing in the Force with no one teaching her anything... sounds like the quicker, easier path to me. But if she was being seduced by the Dark Side, there's no explination of that either! So the difference is that Rey doesn't know what fuses do what... O.K. she still doesn't, bad example. Rey doesn't know how to fix spaceships, yet now she can. Rey doesn't know how to resist a Force-probe, yet now she can. Rey doesn't know how to Jedi-mind-trick people, yet now she can. Rey doesn't know how to Force-pull a lightsaber to her, yet now she can. Rey doesn't know how to duel with a lightsaber, yet now she can. In short Rey don't know. And now she can. Magically.

I wish her story had been told more thoroughly, more coherently, and without all the giant leaps that we're just supposed to absorb without explanation.

If it turns out Rey really is a nobody, I wish they'd have made her a separate story, and not a part of the Skywalker storyline. The sequel trilogy should have been about Luke rebuilding the Jedi, the new Ben should have been a Skywalker, Daisy Ridley should have been Jaina Solo, Adam Driver should have been Jacen Solo, and we should have had a FORCE TON of Grand Admiral Thrawn. Oh yeah, not to mention we could have had another kick-@ $ $ female character... Mara Jade anyone? How'd the S.T. get so messed up?!?!?!?!?!

That way Han wouldn't have been killed off by his son, Leia wouldn't have become Mary Poppins, Luke wouldn't have been Rianed, and to bring this back on topic... nobody would have torn the GRAFLEX lightsaber in half!

No explanation? um okay then......"Darkness rises and Light to meet it. I warned my young apprentice that his that as he grew stronger, his equal in the Light would rise. Skywalker I assumed.....wrongly."

She doesn't know how to fix spaceships? IDK she seems to know what modifications were done to the Falcon, and she did build her own speeder, sure it's not like building your own Podracer at the age of 9.


Sounds like what you wanted is Original Trilogy 2.0 and not a Sequal Trilogy......... And wait isn't Ben from the Skywalker family? I mean it's kinda hard to have the Skywalker name passed, down when the only one with the name is a religious monk who never got married.(per George's wishes I might add)

A wee bit late worry about going off topic now, it went far off topic that they moved it to Entertainment and Movie Talk

 

[Psab keel]

Rey building her speeder must be from the novel or something. Not that it's even relevant to the story anyway.

Her abilities could have been explained in other more believable ways but again we just don't see eye to eye on this. Just like with the prequels I'm disappointed at what could have been but alas this is where we're at.

I can agree to disagree with you.

 

[Ridire Firean]

No explanation? um okay then......"Darkness rises and Light to meet it. I warned my young apprentice that his that as he grew stronger, his equal in the Light would rise. Skywalker I assumed.....wrongly."

That doesn't explain anything about how an untrained character miraculously levels up without any instruction. And no, Maz Kanata's brief speech about the Force doesn't come anywhere near close to being enough knowledge for Rey to do so. Nor does Rey's little venture down the blow hole or Luke's uninterested, non-instructional treatment of Rey. Now, if Rey had also been a student at the Skywalker Academy learning the ways of the Force and how to use it at the same time Kylo Ren was there, sure, it could then be an applicable quote. But as it is, it's just another giant hole in the story we were shown.

She doesn't know how to fix spaceships? IDK she seems to know what modifications were done to the Falcon, and she did build her own speeder, sure it's not like building your own Podracer at the age of 9

I do remember her riding around on a speeder, I just don't remember seeing her being the one to have built it. Anakin on the other hand, and I'm not saying it wasn't a stretch too, but he was at least working in a shop where we see him fixing things. Not to mention he was building his own droid at home. And I have no problem with her knowing there were modifications done to the Falcon, but I would love to know how she knows. Here too, there's a hole in her story. And again we're just supposed to absorb that she can fix a spaceship when all we've seen her fix previously is a droid's antenna? That's a HUGE stretch. 'Hey, that's crooked, let me straighten it', does not equal 'this spaceship won't start without prepping a mysterious hidden part that I've never been shown interacting with'.

Sounds like what you wanted is Original Trilogy 2.0 and not a Sequal Trilogy......... And wait isn't Ben from the Skywalker family? I mean it's kinda hard to have the Skywalker name passed, down when the only one with the name is a religious monk who never got married.(per George's wishes I might add)

I wanted the continuation of the story we've all loved since we first heard it, not a rehashing of it, but rather a proper acount of what's transpired based on where the characters were headed. And I certainly did not want a story arc so far skewed from that original story that the main characters are irreverently mistreated to the point where I left the last movie without hope.

Most certainly YES! if they'd included a bit of the Expanded Universe too, I would have loved it! As for George's version of Luke becoming a religious monk who never got married, maybe you wouldn't either after you'd been kissin' your sister! The Luke and Mara story in the E.U. was perfect to me, I never would have guessed at him becoming a monk. And with the number of people out there who love Mara Jade... there's yet another strong female character to include on the big screen.

A wee bit late worry about going off topic now, it went far off topic that they moved it to Entertainment and Movie Talk

Yeah, I know. I just keep checking in here to see if some more info has shown up about my favorite prop... with fingers crossed that they don't screw it up any further. Anyone hear or see anything new about it? Anyone popping in from Lucasfilm or Disney who wants to be naughty and post up a leak about it?

 

[Joek3rr]

That doesn't explain anything about how an untrained character miraculously levels up without any instruction. And no, Maz Kanata's brief speech about the Force doesn't come anywhere near close to being enough knowledge for Rey to do so. Nor does Rey's little venture down the blow hole or Luke's uninterested, non-instructional treatment of Rey. Now, if Rey had also been a student at the Skywalker Academy learning the ways of the Force and how to use it at the same time Kylo Ren was there, sure, it could then be an applicable quote. But as it is, it's just another giant hole in the story we were shown.



I do remember her riding around on a speeder, I just don't remember seeing her being the one to have built it. Anakin on the other hand, and I'm not saying it wasn't a stretch too, but he was at least working in a shop where we see him fixing things. Not to mention he was building his own droid at home. And I have no problem with her knowing there were modifications done to the Falcon, but I would love to know how she knows. Here too, there's a hole in her story. And again we're just supposed to absorb that she can fix a spaceship when all we've seen her fix previously is a droid's antenna? That's a HUGE stretch. 'Hey, that's crooked, let me straighten it', does not equal 'this spaceship won't start without prepping a mysterious hidden part that I've never been shown interacting with'.



I wanted the continuation of the story we've all loved since we first heard it, not a rehashing of it, but rather a proper acount of what's transpired based on where the characters were headed. And I certainly did not want a story arc so far skewed from that original story that the main characters are irreverently mistreated to the point where I left the last movie without hope.

Most certainly YES! if they'd included a bit of the Expanded Universe too, I would have loved it! As for George's version of Luke becoming a religious monk who never got married, maybe you wouldn't either after you'd been kissin' your sister! The Luke and Mara story in the E.U. was perfect to me, I never would have guessed at him becoming a monk. And with the number of people out there who love Mara Jade... there's yet another strong female character to include on the big screen.



Yeah, I know. I just keep checking in here to see if some more info has shown up about my favorite prop... with fingers crossed that they don't screw it up any further. Anyone hear or see anything new about it? Anyone popping in from Lucasfilm or Disney who wants to be naughty and post up a leak about it?

Sure it explains it. We know "All is as the Force wills it." And from George we know that the Force "controls individuals". It's pretty clear to me that the Force is empowering Rey. It's working through her, so that she might be Yin to Ben's Yang. The Force is working towards a goal. That goal being a lasting balance brought to the Force and the galaxy.

Well Rey does live on a junk world. She makes a living parting our and selling mechanical stuffs. So I'd think she'd get fairly knowledgeable. (Fun fact: in the early stages of writing. When Michael Arndt was still on board, she was being described as a gear head .)

Well to each his own. I never really liked much of the post ROTJ EU stuff. With the exception of Jedi Outcast, and Jedi Academy. Everything else was kinda meh.

You know, I honestly don't think the blurry images of the graflex we've gotten are legit. The splitting of the lightsaber was a big thing TLJ. To show it fixed, would be a big spoiler, would it not? I wouldn't be surprised if some the promotional images don't get altered to avoid spoiling.