Disney could sell Lucasfilm ?

Ron said:
I'm still miffed that they axed LucasArts. They had some cool games in the works like 1313 and Battlefront 3.
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Yeah.... I know 1313 had some problems because George decided to meddle. But man, playing as Boba Fett early in his career. Adding to your kit of armor, progressing until you're the Boba Fett we all know and love! Yes please!

And from all report Battlefront III was nearly finished. And Factor 5 was working on Rogue Squadron trilogy for the Wii, which would have put all three games together, in a remastered format.
 
Joek3rr said:
Another thing to consider. Even if Lucasfilm projects continue fail. Disney will probably never sell. They wouldn't want to give up on the licensing rights. They'll keep pumping out OT, PT, and TCW merchandise. Plus they still have the profits from the EU books. (Which I understand often sell better then the new books.)
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That is a really great point Joek3rr!!! Plus the whole "Too big to fail" thinking. I agree with what Scourgious said as well.

ScourgiousJinx said:
If Disney is actually selling (which as fun as it sounds, doesn't seem likely at all) I'd hope whoever would buy it would stop making new Star Wars content entirely for 15-20 years. Focus on finding new young independent filmmakers with original ideas.

* Logically I understand that this is extremely unlikely.
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the WHOLE fan base needs this extended period of time of rest as well. I grew up farming and i gotta tell you...you have to rotate crops and give your land some much needed rest in order for it to keep producing good fruit. I think know is the time for that rest.
 
janglesworthy said:
well 1313 may be gone but this is interesting news...

www.ign.com

Amy Hennig's Star Wars Game Taps Director of the Infamously Cancelled Star Wars 1313 - IGN

The director of the infamously scrapped Star Wars 1313 has joined the team working on Amy Hennig's upcoming Star Wars game at Skydance New Media.
www.ign.com www.ign.com
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After Kotor ended and down the road Skyrim came into view, i always imagined what a Star Wars game would look like if you combined the two. Many will ask, what about the Old Republic...that is good...but it isn't Skyrim good. Amazing to me that game still sets the bar. Keep in mind this opinion comes from a very old school, Atari, NES generation viewpoint...lol
 
I think we can all agree that Lucas did make some bad decisions, but it was his vision. I don't believe this will happen, but I'd almost rather have some company buy it, but have George Lucas get a title like "Chief Consultant" or something. You can't argue that the newer movies/shows have suffered because a lot of those people don't get what Star Wars is. I think we need Lucas to look at designs, story, character and go "No that's not SW". Sort of like how you'd see him looking at maquettes or concept art and accepting some and saying "Change this or that" to others. He kept it looking like SW.
 
Given the fact that Kennedy was supposed to be fired 10 years ago, I think this is just fans coping.

First, Lucasfilm did make back its money with Disney apparently recouping the $4bn it paid for Lucasfilm back in 2018. We hate the output but there are alot of casuals that eat anything that goes lightsaber swoosh.

While Lucasfilm IPs are dead/exhausted imo (Willow, Star Wars, Indiana Jones soon); Lucasfilm also provides advancements in filmmaking which would help Disney shows stand out from their competitors (if they incorporate them properly). Since Disney also owns Marvel, those CGI effects probably carry over.

Finally, everyone is feeling the tightening of the purse strings so I dont know who would buy. I do think Lucas is honestly done as a filmmaker. He just wants to retire with his money and the reason why he sold Lucasfilm was probably because he wanted his legacy to last and he wanted the workers to still have jobs after he retired. Lucas was the “heart” of Lucasfilm but he has run out of steam in a sense with his new IPs flopping which is why Lucasfilm only really has Jones and Star Wars. While Disney are “slavers,” Lucas can rest knowing that the workers there are in a big company and will be taken care of in a sense.

While I would personally like to see new stewardship, I dont see it happening.

And regarding Kennedy, while I dont think she was “just a coffee getter,” she is 100% not a creative. Her first job was in a local tv station doing stuff like floor director and production coodinator as she got promoted and she was hired by Spielberg for her organization abilities. She sounds more like the “team mom,” dealing with the annoying **** like paperwork, scheduling meetings, and that other stuff so Spielberg can concentrate on drafting and creating his movies without having to deal with the other stuff. Kennedy does have ideas but they are more just throwing a dart on a wall to add a twist and not something she elaborates on.

Its probably why she approached the ST by hiring other directors like Abrams or Johnson to be the creative and make the movies for her. Kennedy herself doesnt have the vision or creative juices to make good movies so she needs to outsource that. Her delegating in this honestly sucks (having 3 different directors for a single trilogy) but that could also be due to her not understanding the creative process.
 
The main justification for the rumor is Disney is legally obligated to buy Hulu next year - and they don't have $30 - 60B sitting around. Saying "No thank you" is not an option. They must cough up the money to buy out Comcast, and Comcast is NOT sympathetic to Disney's losses in the market.

This list is by no means complete, but I'm avoiding anything political. The money problems are enough.
  • Disney stock was worth almost $200 per share at the beginning of 2021, it's worth $93 today.
  • Apart from Avatar 2 Disney hasn't had a real box office hit since Endgame.
  • Disney spent $57B on 20th Century Fox in 2019. To this day it's difficult to see how this purchase has generated enough value for the company to justify the purchase.
  • Disney took out a ton of loans during COVID to cover losses from having the parks closed.
  • Pixar is a damaged brand. Disney just cleaned house and fired everyone responsible for Lightyear.
  • Elementals has soft numbers and it's opening this weekend against The Flash.
  • Star Wars is a damaged brand and Mandalorian S3 shook off a bunch of fans who were only holding on by a thread.
  • Star Wars is dead in the toy aisle. Even Baby Yoda is a peg warmer.
  • Galactic Star Cruiser is closing in September after 18 months, costing Disney at roughly $2B
  • Marvel hasn't had a real hit since Endgame, and "The Marvels" isn't going to change that.
  • Johnny Depp has just refused - again - to ever play Captain Jack Sparrow, effectively killing that Disney franchise.
  • Indiana Jones 5 got horrible reviews at Cannes and Disney sunk no less than $300m into production.
  • The Little Mermaid flopped so badly Disney may pull the plug on further live action remakes not already in production. Spiderverse killed Mermaid's second weekend and The Flash opens on Friday. Production cost $250m, marketing another $200m, and worldwide TLM has only made $450m. Theaters get 50% of the ticket sales, so Disney is not in the black yet.
  • Disney+ is losing on average a quarter of a billion every time Disney has a quarterly shareholders meeting.
  • Disney+ just pulled off a chunk of original content so they don't need to pay residuals - including Willow after less than a year.
  • The WGA strike has put all filming on hold during a period when Disney desperately needs new content for Disney+
  • Disneyland and WDW parks are hurting at a time when Universal is getting ready to open their Nintendo park.
As I said, this list could go on and on, so the question is "At a time when the company is already in crisis, what does Disney sell to scrape together 30 - 60 Billion Dollars?"

Maybe it seems like a stretch to sell LFL, but Disney MUST sell some assets.
 
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CopperRevan said:
After Kotor ended and down the road Skyrim came into view, i always imagined what a Star Wars game would look like if you combined the two. Many will ask, what about the Old Republic...that is good...but it isn't Skyrim good. Amazing to me that game still sets the bar. Keep in mind this opinion comes from a very old school, Atari, NES generation viewpoint...lol
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I was partway through Mass Effect 2, when it hit me. This is what KOTOR 3 could have been.... Then I got sad. For me, the Mass Effect is like the spiritual successor to the KOTOR games. Complete with "dark" and "light side" dialogue options. Plus the really cool aspect of being able to upload your save from the last game. So the decisions you make way back in the first game will effect the outcome in the third game.
 
Through this entire thread has anyone mentioned that Disney owns a mass of movie theaters? So that ticket percentage is moot in the long run. There is also the deep cut to theaters not owned by Disney where that percentage is very high to nill for the first two weeks to one month of a new films release. If I recall TFA was 100% ticket sales to disney for the first month. I've not even bothered to look or ask what it was for avatar 2. I'd assume the same 100% as TFA for the first month.

As far as disney star wars has been kicked into the dirt live action wise, it's still making money outside of that live action medium. As far as how Disney LFL is being and has been run into the dirt at every turn boggles the mind. Let's see where things are at this time next year. I'll go out on a limb, three new star wars films will be announced that actually get made (and fans are confused as these films are good), all current live action streaming series' are either pulled or have half a season to end, New live action streaming series are announced that fans can get behind, on another note Marvel will do a complete 180 and feature brutal new theatrical action hero content for adults while steaming will feature more young adult and preteen oriented content.

Of course that would mean in one years time new leadership would be had all around. Drastic times call for drastic measures. At this point there is no middle ground for disney to balance on to get the fan base back. DC has gone this route. All or nothing.
 
Joek3rr said:
I was partway through Mass Effect 2, when it hit me. This is what KOTOR 3 could have been.... Then I got sad. For me, the Mass Effect is like the spiritual successor to the KOTOR games. Complete with "dark" and "light side" dialogue options. Plus the really cool aspect of being able to upload your save from the last game. So the decisions you make way back in the first game will effect the outcome in the third game.
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While we may occasionally disagree when it comes to movies, you’ve got amazing taste in video games Joek3rr.

Yeah, Mass Effect is a “space opera” so while it doesnt have the “family soap drama” of Star Wars, there is a “familiarity.” Mass Effect being directed by Casey Hudson who also directed KOTOR doesnt hurt either with the trilogy approach likely inspired from Star Wars as well as Mass Effect’s combat being a third person shooter “evolution” of KOTOR’s combat. The lead writer for Mass Effect also was a senior writer for KOTOR so in several regards, it is a spiritual successor. The third entry does suffer from overpromise imo though.

kamandi said:
The main justification for the rumor is Disney is legally obligated to buy Hulu next year - and they don't have $30 - 60B sitting around. Saying "No thank you" is not an option. They must cough up the money to buy out Comcast, and Comcast is NOT sympathetic to Disney's losses in the market.

This list is by no means complete, but I'm avoiding anything political. The money problems are enough.
  • Disney stock was worth almost $200 per share at the beginning of 2021, it's worth $93 today.
  • Apart from Avatar 2 Disney hasn't had a real box office hit since Endgame.
  • Disney spent $57B on 20th Century Fox in 2019. To this day it's difficult to see how this purchase has generated enough value for the company to justify the purchase.
  • Disney took out a ton of loans during COVID to cover losses from having the parks closed.
  • Pixar is a damaged brand. Disney just cleaned house and fired everyone responsible for Lightyear.
  • Elementals has soft numbers and it's opening this weekend against The Flash.
  • Star Wars is a damaged brand and Mandalorian S3 shook off a bunch of fans who were only holding on by a thread.
  • Star Wars is dead in the toy aisle. Even Baby Yoda is a peg warmer.
  • Galactic Star Cruiser is closing in September after 18 months, costing Disney at roughly $2B
  • Marvel hasn't had a real hit since Endgame, and "The Marvels" isn't going to change that.
  • Johnny Depp has just refused - again - to ever play Captain Jack Sparrow, effectively killing that Disney franchise.
  • Indiana Jones 5 got horrible reviews at Cannes and Disney sunk no less than $300m into production.
  • The Little Mermaid flopped so badly Disney may pull the plug on further live action remakes not already in production. Spiderverse killed Mermaid's second weekend and The Flash opens on Friday. Production cost $250m, marketing another $200m, and worldwide TLM has only made $450m. Theaters get 50% of the ticket sales, so Disney is not in the black yet.
  • Disney+ is losing on average a quarter of a billion every time Disney has a quarterly shareholders meeting.
  • Disney+ just pulled off a chunk of original content so they don't need to pay residuals - including Willow after less than a year.
  • The WGA strike has put all filming on hold during a period when Disney desperately needs new content for Disney+
  • Disneyland and WDW parks are hurting at a time when Universal is getting ready to open their Nintendo park.
As I said, this list could go on and on, so the question is "At a time when the company is already in crisis, what does Disney sell to scrape together 30 - 60 Billion Dollars?"

Maybe it seems like a stretch to sell LFL, but Disney MUST sell some assets.
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Iger has stated he is considering just selling Hulu, including Disney’s current stake. Given the fact that streaming has been a big money loser for Disney and Hulu is meant to augment the streaming service, I dont see why Iger wants to double-down on a money loser. There is also a possibility of restructuring the deal.

robstyle said:
Through this entire thread has anyone mentioned that Disney owns a mass of movie theaters? So that ticket percentage is moot in the long run. There is also the deep cut to theaters not owned by Disney where that percentage is very high to nill for the first two weeks to one month of a new films release. If I recall TFA was 100% ticket sales to disney for the first month. I've not even bothered to look or ask what it was for avatar 2. I'd assume the same 100% as TFA for the first month.

As far as disney star wars has been kicked into the dirt live action wise, it's still making money outside of that live action medium. As far as how Disney LFL is being and has been run into the dirt at every turn boggles the mind. Let's see where things are at this time next year. I'll go out on a limb, three new star wars films will be announced that actually get made (and fans are confused as these films are good), all current live action streaming series' are either pulled or have half a season to end, New live action streaming series are announced that fans can get behind, on another note Marvel will do a complete 180 and feature brutal new theatrical action hero content for adults while steaming will feature more young adult and preteen oriented content.

Of course that would mean in one years time new leadership would be had all around. Drastic times call for drastic measures. At this point there is no middle ground for disney to balance on to get the fan base back. DC has gone this route. All or nothing.
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Im not sure what you mean by this but 1 year is far too short a time span for everything you are proposing.

Cancelling all live action will cause backlash because there are still fans of the shows and sudden cancellation will make people hesitant to invest their time in new shows. While D+ is a money loser, I dont know if Iger has the guts to completely cut it and stream their shows on another major platform instead (Prime would be interesting imo since Amazon does have money and bad original content. They would really benefit from a deal with Disney to take on Netflix).

Suddenly releasing 3 well made Star Wars movies when before 1 would take several years not including reshoots after a sudden corporate overhaul? Cant see that happen either unfortunately. After a corporate overhaul, it would take some time for new leadership to properly map out Star Wars’ (and other IPs’) futures and plan projects accordingly before any shooting occurs. Or we just get another Kennedy.
 
Joek3rr said:
I was partway through Mass Effect 2, when it hit me. This is what KOTOR 3 could have been.... Then I got sad. For me, the Mass Effect is like the spiritual successor to the KOTOR games. Complete with "dark" and "light side" dialogue options. Plus the really cool aspect of being able to upload your save from the last game. So the decisions you make way back in the first game will effect the outcome in the third game.
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What do you think of StarField? Imagine a Star Wars Game like that!!
 
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These are what consequences look like. If you make bad choices, ultimately you'll pay for them. I remember when Disney was a family friendly and beloved brand by just about everyone when I was growing up. It's really sad that they've sowed so much discord among their audiences by mistakenly thinking that catering to the whims of political trends was a smart business move. If you're a smart business, you remain as apolitical as possible. This is why things like Identity Politics and controversy in general should have no place in mainstream films. Smaller independent films are a different matter. I'm glad Depp is willing to stand his ground. Why should he stay loyal to a company that abandoned him at his lowest?

Even the people who have enjoyed their content over the last few years are starting to see through the facade. It's time audiences wake up and start voting with their wallets. That's the only way these massive corporations listen. The losses will force them to restructure because they'll have no choice if they want to survive. They only have this power because we fund them. Remember that. The only power they have is the power you give them. So if you really want them to shape up, you have to start demanding better and put your money where your mouth is. From every company, not just Disney, because they aren't alone in this regard.

I hope they can return to their former glory. I sincerely do. Whatever the eventual outcome, it's clear the tides are shifting and I hope it's for the better.
 
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