Cormac's Hulk Build 2015

Re: Hulk Build + skin questions

So after much experimenting, mishaps and frustration i have something i'm happy with. I've got pictures i can share of the upper body.

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The colour isn't actually what i had in mind but i'm really starting to like it. The coats of latex have built up enough to hide some of the creases while keeping the muscle definition the way i wanted it.


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This was my first test fit since I put any type of latex/ paint on it. I'm pretty thrilled with how it fits. I found that if i hold the back of the suit together the abdominal section tightens up a lot and makes it look much more accurate. I'm going to attach a buckle to make this fit better.

So here's the How-To. Note:there may be some over-lap in the beginning with the previous post. Also this is the shortened "how it should have gone" version. In reality a few of these steps were repeated for any number of reasons. you can see three of the different shades i ended up with along the way in the pictures below.

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First off i gave the whole body a coat of latex. This fist coat soaks in a lot so i was quite heavy with it. I found it was taking a long time to cure so i left it over night.

Next came 2 coats of a latex/acrylic paint mixture. These were heavily weighted towards the latex.I would say 70/30 At this point i wanted to make sure it would have a solid base while also beginning to cover up some of the different colours of the fabric. This is what lead to the very yellow pictures in the previous post.

After this i focused on getting the colour right. This time the mixture was in roughly the opposite proportions. Perhaps even 80/20 paint/latex. light coats of this was enough to give me a good base.

At this stage i used my glue gun to create some details such as veins and nipples. I found that the mixed paint wouldn't adhere to the glue so i gave each vein one coat of plain acrylic paint. once this was dry i did one more coat of the base colour.

I then took some of this same paint/latex mixture and added some extra yellow. I used this to give some highlights. I did each muscle with one light coat of this.

Then i proceeded to add a little more yellow and quite a lot more latex to the same mix. I used this to do some of the finer highlights and to make certain areas stand out.


Top tips:
Latex absolutely stinks when wet. It's the ammonia. You really do need to work in a ventilated area. I wore a standard dust mask which seemed to help but i'd recommend a respirator if you have one.

the latex is opaque while it's wet but dries almost clear. For this reason you should mix your paints first until it looks right. then add the latex. It will look way too light going on but when it dries it should return to the colour of the paint. this can be very unnerving but have faith.

as Override says above, Light coats are the key for shading/ highlights. I found that adding more latex to the mix helped too as it made the coats of colour thinner and easier to control.

when painting many parts of a costume like i was and with paint that you have mixed yourself make sure to mix big batches that can cover any parts that will be seen together. Otherwise you'll give yourself all kinds of problems trying to get them to match.

Similarly when doing highlights/ lowlights make sure you start from the base colour and lighten/darken from there. This makes the change seem natural rather than patchy.

Keep the brushes you want to use submerged in soapy water between coats. they'll be ruined eventually but this can help them last a few coats.

Finally make sure that any fabric that may need to stretch is either kept free from latex/paint or is held in it's stretched position while it sets.



As i write this the legs and feet are setting. the hands will need to be re-made as they became way too inflexible once the paint went on. I'm working on a new design for them.


As always,
Thanks for reading.
 

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Re: Hulk Build + skin questions

It's looking great so far. If I can offer one suggestion though - it looks to me like you made the nipples a little too close to the middle of the pecs.
 
Re: Hulk Build + skin questions

Thanks. I'd be inclined to agree with you about those. Although there's not much i can do at this stage.
I was being careful to make them symmetrical and they kind of wandered in. It's weird though because they seem to follow me around the room.
 
Re: Hulk Build + skin questions

:) I've been following your build closely since I need to do something similar for my upcoming rhino build. Although rather than latex, I think I may use tinted vyta flex rubber to skin my foam. That way it matches the cowl. I've done some tests and it holds up really well once applied to the foam. And although it's more expensive, I'm hoping it pays off in the long run since I shouldn't need to worry about o going repairs/durability which tends to be an issue with latex.
 
Re: Hulk Build + skin questions

I am really impressed with your suit man. especially in the time frame that you built it.
 
Re: Hulk Build + skin questions

:) I've been following your build closely since I need to do something similar for my upcoming rhino build. Although rather than latex, I think I may use tinted vyta flex rubber to skin my foam. That way it matches the cowl. I've done some tests and it holds up really well once applied to the foam. And although it's more expensive, I'm hoping it pays off in the long run since I shouldn't need to worry about o going repairs/durability which tends to be an issue with latex.


I've never worked with Vyta flex rubber but i'm assuming it works in a similar way. is it as flexible as the latex is?

And thanks Override. I'm surprised by how quickly it's going. I'm waiting for a major road block. it might be the hands. I'm struggling a little with a new design.
 
Re: Hulk Build + skin questions

It's very flexible depending on the type you use - the lower the shore value, the thinner/more flexible it is. Most of the cowls in the JY use around a 40 shore and it holds up really well. Also very easy to tint wahtever colour you want.
 
Re: Hulk Build + skin questions

Interesting I'll keep that in mind for future reference. Latex just seemed like the main thing used for this kind of costume.

I've had to re-do the hands as they became too in-flexible and clumsy. The new design is a little like a kind of mitten where all of the fingers are connected and the thumb is independent. The fingers are attached along the back of the palm with glue. then the fingers have a number of loops that i can un-hook my fingers from if i need to. I've also designed it so that the fingers rest in a slightly bent position. this makes it easier to make a fist.

I'll throw up some pictures this evening.
 
Re: Hulk Build + skin questions

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So this it my new design for the hands. it seems much more flexible and i can easily pick things up and make a fist. this evening i painted another couple of coats of the base colour over the veins and got the second hand to a similar stage. I'm out of yellow paint so tomorrow i'll get more and i should be able to do the highlights. after that i'll start on the finger and toenails.

It's quite scary now that i can see the end approaching.
 
Re: Hulk Build + skin questions

So I could use some advice from all of you good folk out there in the internet. I need to come up with a system to strap the back of the suit closed. As it stands there is a flap of material there to cover the gap but i need to tighten around my waist in order to hold it in shape when i move.

Has anyone any thoughts as to how i can secure this in such a way that i will be able to open and close it myself without having to ask for help. Any advice is much appreciated.

the hands and feet have been finished now so once i have the strapping sorted i can show some pics of the (very nearly almost) finished costume.

please and thank you,
Cormac
 
Re: Hulk Build *need help with straps*

Hey Cormac. I plan on using a zipper for Juggernaut. I have learned with several of my previous costumes that sometimes you have to bite the bullet and let the zipper show. I have used:
Velcro- Works wonderfully but will either 1. rip the material it is attached to. or 2. become "puffy" when stuck together and create a 1/2 inch rise in the seam.
Magnets- Works great but same as 1. above. unless it is used in hard material, eventually the materical will fail and either the magnet will come out or the material will rip.
Straps-N-Buckles- I used this for Warmachine. very customizable and cheap. works best for armor peices that need to "stay put". Difficult to hold things tightly closed or in the exact same spot.

For those reasons, I am going to try a zipper to see if it will work without damaging the suit.
 
Re: Hulk Build *need help with straps*

A zip would be the neatest thing to do alright. it would mean that i'd need help getting into it though. I reckon if i was to make the suit over i'd split it under one of the arms and kind of climb in through there.

I don't think a zip is an option for me at this stage. I haven't left myself enough loose material on one side to stitch anything in place.

I'm currently imagining a strap around the waist that i can tighten with perhaps a diagonal strap to secure some of the upper back. A bit like a backwards seat belt.
 
Re: Hulk Build *need help with straps*

Have a look how Wet suits are made. they have a zip at the back and a string attched to it so you can pull the zip up yourself.
Then just hide the string down the inside of the costume before putting on the mask.
 
Re: Hulk Build *need help with straps*

yeah i had thought about that too. I actually used a wetsuit earlier in the build (as a mannequin). I would need to find a very sturdy zip to use. There will be a lot of force on it. I also worry what this would do in terms of heat. It would totally seal me into the suit. At least with straps there's more scope to have vents etc. If i do wo with this kind of system i'd be inclined to do it the other way up and have the zip open from the bottom. It's worth considering though. I'll visit a store tomorrowand see what kind of zips i have access to.

I'm sure there's a clever strap solution there too but i just can't see it.
 
Re: Hulk Build *need help with straps*

YKK are a very good zip manufacturer & stay with a metal one for heavy duty use.
Heat in a suit like this is alway going to be excessive. I think the technical term is 'sweating your nuts off'.
I agree with starting the zip at the bottom - makes the first alignment easier.

An idea for the strap would be to use elastic - that way it would stretch to make it easier to get in & out of, but would close up once you have it on. I'd also suggest a green undershirt so if it does part/open when wearing it anyone behind you wouldn't notice too much.
 
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It will need to be a very strong elastic in that case. Honestly the main issue is that i've got the sizing a little wrong. I think 's at least partly due to shrinkage and partly due to incompetence. I'll see how it goes looking for the zip today.
 
Re: Hulk Build *need help with straps*

quick update. I've bought and attached a zip to the costume. It works quite well. I'll need to attach a string/strap to it to make sure i can work it myself. I'll throw up some pictures once i get a chance to fully suit up. I'm worried now that i didn't leave enough length in the torso to go into the waist of the jeans. I may end up having to velcro these together too prevent parting.
 
Re: Hulk Build + skin questions

This is great, I'm attempting a similar suit as well. Keep up the good work and updates!
 
Re: Hulk Build *need help with straps*

Things have gone a little quiet at the minute. I should have left more material at the bottom of the torso to help bridge the gap between the two. at the moment it looks ok when i'm standing but if i start to move around and bend at all you can see large gaps. So the current issue is creating a "skirt". I'm painting a strip of cloth to match the torso. This will be attached to the bottom of the torso and be tucked into the jeans.

trying to match the colour is a little tricky but since it will be hidden most of the time it doesn't have to be perfect.

It's drying at home so hopefully i can attach it tonight. I might be just about ready to do a full suit up then.
 
Re: Hulk Build *need help with straps*

Cormac,
Looking good, it is a lot of work to sculpt the foam. We just used the cheapest fabric we could find that was thick enough to hide imperfections. If you use a thin sheet it will show most of the rough edges through the fabric. For the top and bottom halves we left an overlap that we could velcro them together. It makes it hotter but really makes it look and move a lot better.

I know this is late and I apologize for it. I have been very occupied with work. I will watch for questions if you have anymore. The Hulk build burned me out on Costuming for a bit but this year I am going to build a Dark Knight Costume for a good friend of mine and I have a bunch of supplies on order and in route. :) it will be great fun!
 
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