Constantine holy water ampoules…
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It fit the top correctly once I sanded down the top of the glass ball. I went to three different stores looking for distilled water and every store was out. So I just bit the bullet and filled one of the balls with straight glycerin. I cannot be sure if it’s going to leak, but I used contact cement on the edge of the glass and the inside of the cap. It should be permanently glued at the moment but I won’t know until I actually turn it upside down to be sure it’s sealed. But I’m afraid to turn it upside down. Lol
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And then there were two. Only made these two so far, but now that I know it will work, I will make the other 4. I only bought 6 tops as they were like $54 for the 6. I can always order more if I start producing these for other people. Now, I just need to attach the little white crosses. I’m thinking I’ll probably use just a super strength glue stick like little kids use for crafts.
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The tops look pretty good. If you intend to make more, I'd make a cast of the tops instead. At volume, it'd be cheaper. On the sizing, the 2" ornaments came in. I've watched the Blu-ray several times trying to find a decent reference. I'm tapped on trying to tell. I'll leave it to you to decide. I'm stuck in the Goldilocks zone and have ordered 45mm ones.
Here's my hand and Kirk Corwin's hand side by side adjusted so that his ornaments is 1.5" in the photo. I don't know how big his hands are but relative to his thumb size the ornament looks bigger against his hand than against my hand.
Here's the same thing scaled to 2". This would mean his hands are bigger than mine. I'm 6' 2" and have larger hands. I could find any pictures of him as a reference other than the video clip. I don't think his hands are bigger than mine.
Here's a couple low res shots of Keanu Reeves holding one during the hell scene filming. He's reported to have large hands. The first is interesting as the Oris Modern Classic that he's wearing has a 35mm (or 1.4") case. The shot and angles are bad but the ball looks bigger than the watch by a noticeable amount.
Here's my hand and Kirk Corwin's hand side by side adjusted so that his ornaments is 1.5" in the photo. I don't know how big his hands are but relative to his thumb size the ornament looks bigger against his hand than against my hand.
Here's the same thing scaled to 2". This would mean his hands are bigger than mine. I'm 6' 2" and have larger hands. I could find any pictures of him as a reference other than the video clip. I don't think his hands are bigger than mine.
Here's a couple low res shots of Keanu Reeves holding one during the hell scene filming. He's reported to have large hands. The first is interesting as the Oris Modern Classic that he's wearing has a 35mm (or 1.4") case. The shot and angles are bad but the ball looks bigger than the watch by a noticeable amount.
The 1.75" ornaments arrived. The cheapest ones that I could find were painted.
A little muriatic acid fixed that. There still some residual paint on the neck but it'll be hidden by the cap.
I'm liking the 1.75" ones over the others. They just seem right. The necks are quite wide though compared with 1.5"
A little muriatic acid fixed that. There still some residual paint on the neck but it'll be hidden by the cap.
I'm liking the 1.75" ones over the others. They just seem right. The necks are quite wide though compared with 1.5"
The neck on the larger ones I had would fit the caps. Only the 1.5 ones would. Wish you lived closer so we could work on this together.
I've seen folks removing mirror silvering (may be silver or aluminum) using acid (ferric chloride or nitric acid). Glass is non-reactive with acid. Muriatic was easy from the local home depot. You'll want to wear eye protection and a respirator. The fumes are exciting.
Yeah, I would definitely make sure to work with muriatic acid outside only. The fumes can destroy tools if stored or used inside a garage or workshop along with your lungs.
The necks on the 1.75 ornaments balls measure 13.8 mm or .54" in diameter.
I've gone through numerous cap tweaks. Here's the latest design based on the photos from the Blu-ray DVD. I've increased the flute count to 16 after reviewing the details. I can see 8 on one side here or 16 around the entire cap. There also a slight lip between bevel and the top of the cap that I added.
I've been prototyping on an FDM printer so far but once I'm ok with the design, I'll move over to SLA printing.
A couple of additional observations after reviewing the higher resolution images, the glass on the ornaments likely wouldn't survive acid or laser etching. The glass is extremely thin. So the crosses are either glued or painted on.
While the close-up shot in Constantine's apartment looks etched, it maybe digitally rendered or there were different ampoule designs. These ampoules appear to have a cross on only one side.
I believe that you can see the camera reflected in the glass on the right - dead center behind the cross. The question I had was where is the reverse cross as you see here? I don't think that's a reflection. To me it looks like a magnified version of a reverse cross.
This looks like a reflection - so single or double crosses are screen accurate.
On both images, the cross looks like masked paint with the ragged edges and the reverse cross showing bleed through. The cut on the left side of the cross looks like an attempt to clean up the edges when removing the masking. I like the linen idea but it doesn't appear to be screen accurate. It could be a hand cut piece of vinyl that is glued but it doesn't explain how ragged the edges are. Opinions?
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Originally I thought the cross was a cleaned up use of those white out dispensers but people here shot that idea down immediately. I’ve used the linen glued on but it doesn’t look quite right. I wish we could email with one of the prop people from the production to see what they used.
Kirk Corwin was the property master but its a long shot. Kirk Corwin - IMDb. The other place to check is the House of Props in LA. I had heard that they worked on the holy shotgun.
Ignoring the hassle of dealing with obsessive fans, its been almost 20 years and it sounded like it was something that was pretty ad hoc. They did feature them in the DVD extras so who knows. However they did it. I'd guess that it'd have to be fast and have to be permanent given production schedules. The last thing you'd want is something failing during filming. It still could be whiteout but if you had the choice between whiteout and paint, would you choose whiteout?
I'd really like to know what the origins of the cap was. I've stared at hundreds of different knobs and caps trying to find an exact original one but no deal. The closest I found were the guitar ones.
On the double crosses, I thought it was single as well until I saw those pictures. Single is easier so I'm good with that.
All of this comes down to what's the point of all this. If its something close then the details aren't as important. If the goal is to make people do a double take when they pick it up or ask if its real, well you know...
The general reasoning is that all the ends of the crosses are pointed. This implies that the crosses were cut and then applied.
But, a picture is worth a thousand words. If you can get whiteout to LOOK like the crosses, then it would be plausible. Can't be too expensive to try.
