Well, the pants I ordered got here today, and they're not exactly what I thought they would be. Tags sewn all up the front with brand names on them (which weren't shown in the pictures on Amazon), and they're way too thick. Guess I should have expected them to be that thick, since they're motorcycle pants, but whatever. I just took a trip to the closest UPS store and returned them. I guess that means I'm back to my original idea of some cargo/tactical pants. I was hoping for something that looked a little more interesting, but they'll have to do.