Bandai 1/72 PG Millennium Falcon (also the Revell Germany rebox)

David3

Sr Member
I was wondering about the DieHard decal (red circle in the photo) on the underside of the Falcon, its not included in the Bandai kit and too early to be a ref to the movie but anyone know what that's from.
Also happened to notice another 2 missing greeblies.
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Hunk a Junk

Sr Member
I was wondering about the DieHard decal (red circle in the photo) on the underside of the Falcon, its not included in the Bandai kit and too early to be a ref to the movie but anyone know what that's from.
Also happened to notice another 2 missing greeblies.
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DieHard is the name of a Sears brand car battery. The TV commercials for it were ubiquitous in the late 70s and 80s. In fact, I remember seeing the trailer for Die Hard in a theater before the movie opened and the audience groaned at the title. It was like naming your movie "Fruit Loops" or "Big Mac." At that point, it was a product, not a title. I'll have to check my model about whether the decal is supposed to be there.

The two missing greeblies you mention appear to have been added after ANH was shot but before the more extensive TESB modifications were made to the model. If you're modeling the ship as it appears in ANH, you leave them off. It's unknown why they were added, but greeblies were falling off and being reglued on the model throughout production, so it's possible that during some routine repairs some ILMer just added them because he had a couple extra bits lying around.

EDIT: Just checked my reference photos and model. The greeblies definitely should not be there if you are modeling the on-screen ANH version. The DieHard decal also IS on my model, so you might want to check your decal sheet again. You might have missed it. There is a decal for it. (y)
 
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Hunk a Junk

Sr Member
Are you sure it's from the terpenoid? Just thinking out loud, but I'm wondering if perhaps certain types of Bandai plastic is vulnerable to stress cracking. I had a model once (can't remember which kit) that I could see a swirl pattern in the unpainted plastic and later I remember it cracking exactly along the line of the pattern. That was also in my younger days when I handled my models more than I do now. :rolleyes:
 

korben44

Master Member
Primed first with Tamiya fine primer, then a coat or two of AS-20. Must not have hit this area well with the primer, because it happened nowhere else on the model. Oh well, just adds to the weathering, I guess.

SB

Yeah, it will make the plastic more brittle, but I use it on everything... Like you said, just adds to the weathering!
 

Hunk a Junk

Sr Member
It's weird, thought, that it happened after using Tamiya primer and multiple coats of paint. I just wonder if there may be cases of the plastic cracking without a wash or Terpenoid involved. I'm just puzzling whether we all may be assuming that the finishing materials are triggering the cracks, but what if it's just inherent to the plastic itself. Correlation isn't necessarily causation.
 

DanielB

Sr Member
Primed first with Tamiya fine primer, then a coat or two of AS-20. Must not have hit this area well with the primer, because it happened nowhere else on the model. Oh well, just adds to the weathering, I guess.

SB

You don't have to live with that crack. It's super tiny and could be puttied/painted over quite easily from the looks of it.
 

korben44

Master Member
It's weird, thought, that it happened after using Tamiya primer and multiple coats of paint. I just wonder if there may be cases of the plastic cracking without a wash or Terpenoid involved. I'm just puzzling whether we all may be assuming that the finishing materials are triggering the cracks, but what if it's just inherent to the plastic itself. Correlation isn't necessarily causation.

Mineral spirits seem to make the plastic more brittle. Not necessarily the cause of the cracking... because it would be due to manipulating the plastic after the solution has been applied. I just experienced this in my B-Wing build I'm doing. One of the joints where the wings are attached cracked because it was made more brittle as a result of the wash. Again, it was on an area where I had less coverage with the primer and other paints, and in a spot that was constantly being moved. So a combination of things caused the crack. All I did was use some weld-on 3 to fix the issue.
 

StevenBills

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I'm okay with living with it, after looking at it all weekend. Maybe I'll flow some Tamiya extra thin cement in there and call it good.

SB
 

3Dsf

Sr Member
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Think of those Tibetan Buddhist monks who allegedly deliberately introduce, or allow to remain, errors in their work as a reflection of the imperfection of humanity. It’s there... on purpose!
 

Hunk a Junk

Sr Member
It's not my model, but if it were, I'd fix it. Only because its the PG Falcon, it was expensive, and I want it perfect. Any other model and I could live with it. But that's me and, of course, I'm not the one facing the problem. However, I do have a tilted command bulb on my K't'inga to deal with, so I sympathize. :(
 

David3

Sr Member
DieHard is the name of a Sears brand car battery. The TV commercials for it were ubiquitous in the late 70s and 80s. In fact, I remember seeing the trailer for Die Hard in a theater before the movie opened and the audience groaned at the title. It was like naming your movie "Fruit Loops" or "Big Mac." At that point, it was a product, not a title. I'll have to check my model about whether the decal is supposed to be there.

The two missing greeblies you mention appear to have been added after ANH was shot but before the more extensive TESB modifications were made to the model. If you're modeling the ship as it appears in ANH, you leave them off. It's unknown why they were added, but greeblies were falling off and being reglued on the model throughout production, so it's possible that during some routine repairs some ILMer just added them because he had a couple extra bits lying around.

EDIT: Just checked my reference photos and model. The greeblies definitely should not be there if you are modeling the on-screen ANH version. The DieHard decal also IS on my model, so you might want to check your decal sheet again. You might have missed it. There is a decal for it. (y)

Oh, you're right! Thanks, HaJ. I was doing a late-nighter so overlooked the inset box with the decal in it. Love this kit so much, the detail and craftsmanship is just amazing, should have known Bandai got it right. I'm not from the 'States so wasn't familiar with the DieHard brand, adds a whole new slant on the movie title now, hillarious ;)
Always fascinating to hear little anecdotes like this.
Now there's a movie to be made - It's the 80s, guy goes to the movies, sees the Die Hard trailer, has a laugh and then reminisces about the time as a model maker years before when he stuck a diehard decal on a now famous movie prop. All those behind the scenes stories could be told and the drama of George wanting to completely change the design etc. - essentially about how they made Star Wars but from the perspective of the guys in the model shop.
 

SawbonesAdmiral

Active Member
Is there a third kit that actually includes decals and is called the PG non lighting kit?

There is none. There's only the two; the standard one is specifically called the [STANDARD VER.] on the box and is treated like any other kit in the Perfect Grade line, stickers and all.

It also has a blue sublight engine part, rather than white, should you care about that.
 

3Dsf

Sr Member
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Speaking of the DieHard decal, I remember vaguely reading somewhere that Bandai had to modify or drop some of the Falcon detail decals for trademark reasons. DieHard is still a trademark used in the US by the corporation that holds the Sears IP, so perhaps they were intransigent in their licensing demands, or Bandai decided just not to bother.
 

Hunk a Junk

Sr Member
Speaking of the DieHard decal, I remember vaguely reading somewhere that Bandai had to modify or drop some of the Falcon detail decals for trademark reasons. DieHard is still a trademark used in the US by the corporation that holds the Sears IP, so perhaps they were intransigent in their licensing demands, or Bandai decided just not to bother.

Shhh. Ixnay on the intransigentsay. :lol:

So far, I haven't noticed any missing decals from the reference photos. I suspect this is a case where no one really cares and Bandai figured they'd simply stop adding the sheet if anyone complained. I really doubt anyone would.
 

Dedalus5550

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There is none. There's only the two; the standard one is specifically called the [STANDARD VER.] on the box and is treated like any other kit in the Perfect Grade line, stickers and all.

It also has a blue sublight engine part, rather than white, should you care about that.
Ah jeez. Since I’m not familiar with the Gundam kits and whatever else there is, what is it that makes a perfect grade kit? And I wonder if I’m gonna like the answer or not.
Mike Todd
 

Oddacon

New Member
Well in Bandai’s line up of Gundam kits, the grades range from this:

(Lowest to highest)

NG (No Grade)
SD (Super Deformed) miniature or Chibi
HG Can be 1/144 or 1/100 scale
RE A fancier HG in 1/100
RG Hyper detailed in 1/144
MG 1/100 scale
PG 1/60 scale

I’m pretty sure that covers them all.

How that translates to their Star Wars line I’m not completely sure. It depends on the model I suppose.
 

Dedalus5550

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So what is it about the MF that makes it PG? As it relates to the list above? I suppose someone’s going to say that it’s just a really nice awesome kit. And that’s kind of what I used to think because it came with lights and photo etch. Before this kit came out I hadn’t even heard the term perfect grade and it just made me think they were telling us they were Going above and beyond like I said with the lights and the photo etch. I didn’t realize the standard kit was still labeled perfect grade.
 

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