ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found
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Yea, I hear ya. Maybe the lines are like the "tooth" on the V2 lever and are just artifacts that show up on a couple photos, best case scenario.
Does the DEC make a deep gouge near the edge of the bar as well as scraping all that paint away? It's all flat metal back there, I don't see how those deeper ones would be made, marked in light blue on the shots I posted
Does the DEC make a deep gouge near the edge of the bar as well as scraping all that paint away? It's all flat metal back there, I don't see how those deeper ones would be made, marked in light blue on the shots I posted
DEC's older steel mount has some minor inaccuracies to what we now think it looked like, though it's still the best replica of the original mount since (I think the vertical uprights on it were a bit too tall). Field Marshal's mount has most of those things corrected, but is rough cast and also has a very small dovetail. But if you're looking for in depth comparisons then I don't have all the measurements and details on Dave's old mount.
kpax
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The scrapes don't "exactly line up... but they do.
The scrapes wont be "clean" because of the tipping and "looseness" of the mount on the dovetail. There must be some wiggle room to get it on and off.
There are no images that "show" a rectangle except on the PS version that I know of.
Damage from the rear of the mount.
Showing the subtile changing angle and what can be seen.
kpax
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Note the crossbar flip. The front edge in the pre is slightly angled on the top surface by sloppy file work.
The crossbar slides to the rear in the post image. The crossbar holes were likely enlarged to allow a bit of adjustment accounting for some discrepancies in scope angle in some images.
Note the gouge consistent from Carl to post.
The crossbar slides to the rear in the post image. The crossbar holes were likely enlarged to allow a bit of adjustment accounting for some discrepancies in scope angle in some images.
Note the gouge consistent from Carl to post.
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kpax
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You are talking miniscule discrepancies.
You have to take into account that on the rear of the mount dovetail (female) the "pointed sharp edges and corners are filed to some degree to allow the mount to be slipped on and off. We are not talking CNC machining in 1972. It was more of a loose fit.
Knock the corners off your drawing and the scrapes match.
You have to remember that the edges didn't contact evenly. The mount tipped and wobbled as it was removed causing a bit of a "blurred" scrape.
Also putting it on and off it can slip and bang into the sharper corners. They weren't exactly being THAT careful not to scratch it.
Yes there are, I've posted them multiple times now. Are my posts not showing up for you?
We also don't even have a clear shot of the dovetail on the Hero blaster either, only one from another film.
It doesn't seem that loose in the sitting target photo, which is my only clear reference for this dovetail.
Going through the replica damage you've provided at the moment.
You know, that could very well be it. The mount's recess could be damaged enough to appear the way it does in long-range pictures. Whether the corners are knocked off or whatever, that may be the case. I see no way to tilt the bracket to get the edges up there to make those grooves, the grooves are half-way up the mount's jaws.
kpax
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The center thumb screw tightens the dovetail to the mount snugging it up.
I haven't seen any clear/definitive images that show a rectangle mount like the PS on the HERO.
kpax
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It doesn't need to be damaged. Just wiggles. Dirt, sand etc..
kpax
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I don't believe DECs Steel mount was off or too tall. Not sure where you mean.
DECs original parts were made from Carsons 3ds and were pretty spot on if I recall. Done before the TomTitt parts were found by Carson the Grill/cylinder and antenna/pushrods were within thousandths.
Here is the HERO and my replica mount from the first steel DEC run. Angles are slightly different so allow for some minor discrepancies.
kpax
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I agree. Carson and DECs work were the basis for both Todds and FMs kits. They changed it up a bit to suit their production and build choices.
They are nice but Dave's was much better IMO.
I came around just after that run started. A friend of mine up here in WNY dropped one of these blasters out of his car and gave it to me to repair. You'd like he fired a real gun with it, the mount was bent back just like those youtube videos. It was a beautiful gun
I loved my DEC/Denix build (even though it was the cheaper alternative) but I also love my "kit-bashed" real-steel blaster, cobbled with Todd and FM parts. One thing I would love is more full threaded steel bull barrel options and a steel kit that dry-fired like the Denix.
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IIRC Todd's bull barrel, while proportioned for a Denix, is aestherically very much how the real Hero prop's barrel would have been assembled. I believe it is about an inch too long though, as it accounts for the "booster" that the Hero prop used to generate back pressure to enable the gun to cycle blank rounds.
I was actually considering getting a second Field Marshal steel C96 and having a custom barrel fitted to it at one point, but those are distant ideas still. And I need to finish my first FM kit before moving unto another anyways haha
That's the reason why I got it. I love just having full or "full-ish" parts like the real thing would've. I didn't know it was proportioned for a Denix though. It sits really well on the FM kit but not so much with the flash hider.
EDIT: The FM dove-tail/bar or the mount is either too short or the male mate for the dove-tail joint too tall, as the mount doesn't lay flat with bar to get that slide scrape. I didn't care that much to mill it down originally but looking at it now, I may have to.
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I totally get that perspective! And yeah, I think some pieces are just generally proportioned to the Denix over a live fire/MGC is because it's the most common replica, which is understandable. I'd just like to replica the 'Naked Runner' style of bull barrel accurately some day is all! Gotta satisfy my OCD somehow.
And do you have any pictures of your build?
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