The numbers are raised and not inscribed...
ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found
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The numbers are raised and not inscribed...
kpax
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Thanks. Interesting.
Scott has handled many scopes and can probably add some clarification on this subject.
I’m fairly sure the HERO scope type is embossed.
Not sure how this raised version would have been made back then.
Your numbers look “silver”? Not white?
On a brass knob. Strange. Like metal filled but they would do that on a scope. … I don’t think.
I think they would emboss and sometimes fill the numbers so they are more visible. Easier to emboss than deboss.
Always something new !
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CV = Chris' initials... 2020 when we went over revisions for the elite scope. I suggested CV as it was visually close to GW (which I believe is for Gewehr= gun/rifle as the scope were usually numbered for a matching rifle).
Not ALL scopes have a GW #. Many do not as weren't issued or paired with a particular rifle.
I could be mistaken but this is how I understand it.
Oh... and man there's SO many variations to these scopes. I just bumped my old hensoldt thread. You can see there different examples of some windage lettering. Some are like a raised font in the paint... probably just a screened on second layer of paint over the black. some were engraved... many were just in the paint as you can see under where the brass shows through... No markings.
Back to the whole paint vs. patina thing for the upper, I was researching the Merr-Sonn today when I noticed this in a pic I grabbed from Field Marshall's FB page. It's the same left side pic as Chronicles I think, but much higher resolution than I've found otherwise. If this is supposed to be on the DL let me know and I can take down the pic, but I've at least cropped and scribbled on it. 
Also, if one wanted to send/post the original I'd be quite glad!
This looks like the same mark believed by some to be a paint chip, visible in the Harrison Ford in a field pics and some other places. This same mark is on the shoddy Merr-Sonn casting, so presumably was there from early on, though I don't know when the gun was molded. I'm leaning towards it being some kind of corrosion or something on the blued finish. Have not looked though all the latest discussion though, you guys are going to eat my life!
Also, if one wanted to send/post the original I'd be quite glad!This looks like the same mark believed by some to be a paint chip, visible in the Harrison Ford in a field pics and some other places. This same mark is on the shoddy Merr-Sonn casting, so presumably was there from early on, though I don't know when the gun was molded. I'm leaning towards it being some kind of corrosion or something on the blued finish. Have not looked though all the latest discussion though, you guys are going to eat my life!
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deadbolt
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I feel I should apologize (not because I was asked or forced in any way) but I just simply want to. Especially to Scott scottjua. You've helped quite a bit on various subjects here on the RPF, and I believe we are all very grateful for your contributions to the RPF thus far, as well as everyone else that has contributed here over so many years. After all, that's what makes this a community.
We've all been on edge 'obviously' in the recent years with the way the world is and all, and it wasn't my goal to take it out on other people, I'm very sorry.
We are all entitled to our own opinion as well as promises we've made to others, NDAs etc., I was wrong to snap at people about things as simple and silly as photographs. We should all be collaborating, not fighting. I never wanted that for this thread. And I feel as though I too helped start and/or continue the nonsense.. We can all make this thread and our hobby the way it was intended, just as everyday life should be, helpfulness and kindliness.
My sincerest apologies, everyone,
-Carson
We've all been on edge 'obviously' in the recent years with the way the world is and all, and it wasn't my goal to take it out on other people, I'm very sorry.
We are all entitled to our own opinion as well as promises we've made to others, NDAs etc., I was wrong to snap at people about things as simple and silly as photographs. We should all be collaborating, not fighting. I never wanted that for this thread. And I feel as though I too helped start and/or continue the nonsense.. We can all make this thread and our hobby the way it was intended, just as everyday life should be, helpfulness and kindliness.
My sincerest apologies, everyone,
-Carson
kpax
Sr Member
Could be. The MerrSonn with the broken off barrel does not show that side wall defect as much nor does the Luke stunt but there are a few gouges on that one.Back to the whole paint vs. patina thing for the upper, I was researching the Merr-Sonn today when I noticed this in a pic I grabbed from Field Marshall's FB page. It's the same left side pic as Chronicles I think, but much higher resolution than I've found otherwise. If this is supposed to be on the DL let me know and I can take down the pic, but I've at least cropped and scribbled on it.
This looks like the same mark believed by some to be a paint chip, visible in the Harrison Ford in a field pics and some other places. This same mark is on the shoddy Merr-Sonn casting, so presumably was there from early on, though I don't know when the gun was molded. I'm leaning towards it being some kind of corrosion or something on the blued finish. Have not looked though all the latest discussion though, you guys are going to eat
But there is some blemish on the post production gun in that area. Maybe from the left side mount crashing into the rail.
Hard to say for certain. Only thing for sure is that there is a blemish there. Either glue residue from a greeblie or scrape damage from the scope mount. Something there tho.
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I can't be 100% sure, but I THINK it was cast after the costume fittings, etc. So AFTER those black and white shots of Harrison ford posing with it outdoors. There are multiple casts in the archives actually. They're all lined up with the other still existing blasters in different guises.Back to the whole paint vs. patina thing for the upper, I was researching the Merr-Sonn today when I noticed this in a pic I grabbed from Field Marshall's FB page. It's the same left side pic as Chronicles I think, but much higher resolution than I've found otherwise. If this is supposed to be on the DL let me know and I can take down the pic, but I've at least cropped and scribbled on it.
This looks like the same mark believed by some to be a paint chip, visible in the Harrison Ford in a field pics and some other places. This same mark is on the shoddy Merr-Sonn casting, so presumably was there from early on, though I don't know when the gun was molded. I'm leaning towards it being some kind of corrosion or something on the blued finish. Have not looked though all the latest discussion though, you guys are going to eat my life!
Thanks Scott! I was always under the impression it was molded twice - the Merr Sonn thing with the saw-ed off mount on the left and then for the muppet blaster. (Which is weird, the greeblies are part of the cast. Curious what your opinion is of that.. if they had to give back the metal rental and put greeblies on a resin cast of the Hero and recast it)
One more pass at the scope wheel with the better photos and I think it’s as good as it’s going to be for me. The numbers are only raised .010 which isn’t much but the print should capture it (I’ll also print one with them engraved to be safe). 2 1/2 knurling up top and 4 full ones on the bottom (w/ two half ones on either side). The bottom knurlings are also bigger than the top ones as well by the looks of it..
deadbolt
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Nice work! It's interesting how the knurl on the Top knob is noticeably smaller than the Bottom knob..
Nice catch!
The only thing to note that I can see (other than the possibility that the Hero's scope had engraved/debossed markings as per the one I studied) is the small post/stop on the upper knob. It's a bit smaller on the real scopes.. Almost too small =b
But otherwise, I'd say that's a hell of a modeling job there, man!!
-Carson
kpax
Sr Member
I can’t imagine the Knurl pips are “actually” smaller on the top disk.
These parts were roll knurled en masse. They would not have made a separate die to roll the top and bottom rings. These were “roughly “ made weapons as evidenced by the harsh machine and tooling marks.
The Knurl die was likely hand finished and the pips may be slightly misaligned or the depth a bit off if measured and compared around the circumference.
The pips are also likely worn more on top due to greater use in that area.
Just my two cents.
These parts were roll knurled en masse. They would not have made a separate die to roll the top and bottom rings. These were “roughly “ made weapons as evidenced by the harsh machine and tooling marks.
The Knurl die was likely hand finished and the pips may be slightly misaligned or the depth a bit off if measured and compared around the circumference.
The pips are also likely worn more on top due to greater use in that area.
Just my two cents.
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My real scope has two different types of knurling. Lower is the square version, top is the rounded version.
We have lots of evidence of different knurling types and standards on these scopes. Evidently they used different tooling to make these, so it seems reasonable to suggest they would have used varying types when assembling - as shown on my own.
Hand made could result in differing sizes of knurling for the same pattern. Then they just used two different ones!
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Ya I’m only going by pictures so it could be the same sized knurling.. honestly though I don’t think so. It’s impossible to get 3 up top and 5 down low (4 and two 1/2’s on either side) unless the top 3 are smaller? That and it certainly looks smaller as well to the eye..
Thanks deadbolt! That pin is that thickness for printing purposes only to be honest. It’s being printed in shapeways “fine detailed plastic” which can capture the smallest of details but that pin would eventually break off if it’s not thick enough.
This is my old one (you can see it’s inaccuracy’s compared to this new design) and it holds up pretty well in this material. The pin here won’t break, well unless you want to break it I guess..
Thanks deadbolt! That pin is that thickness for printing purposes only to be honest. It’s being printed in shapeways “fine detailed plastic” which can capture the smallest of details but that pin would eventually break off if it’s not thick enough.
This is my old one (you can see it’s inaccuracy’s compared to this new design) and it holds up pretty well in this material. The pin here won’t break, well unless you want to break it I guess..
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kpax
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Back to the whole paint vs. patina thing for the upper, I was researching the Merr-Sonn today when I noticed this in a pic I grabbed from Field Marshall's FB page. It's the same left side pic as Chronicles I think, but much higher resolution than I've found otherwise. If this is supposed to be on the DL let me know and I can take down the pic, but I've at least cropped and scribbled on it.
This looks like the same mark believed by some to be a paint chip, visible in the Harrison Ford in a field pics and some other places. This same mark is on the shoddy Merr-Sonn casting, so presumably was there from early on, though I don't know when the gun was molded. I'm leaning towards it being some kind of corrosion or something on the blued finish. Have not looked though all the latest discussion though, you guys are going to eat my life!
I think those marks could be due to the Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased)-The Sweeney (which looks to be the exact same upper and lower c96 and case), scope mount being put on in a hurry and crashing into the rail. The area is consistent with the mount fork.
Interesting coincidence if not...
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