ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found
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deadbolt
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I too think it was painted, but it does seem to change a bit throughout filming. The bolt changing from black to silver for example, in various shots. But I don't see much reason to think the fairly clean bluing seen in pre-production photos is what we're seeing in the later photos. I myself am fairly positive there had to have been some paint on there after a certain point. Also notice the contrast between the bull-barrel and the Mauser earlier on, vs. the blaster later on. The barrel was full on fresh-ish black bluing, the Mauser was noticeably lighter in color in the early photos, but not in the later ones.
Plus the chips you mentioned seem to be some sort of proof as to paint being applied at some point. Pat kpax noticed the chips you're referring to way back too. We thought there was a possibility that a greeblie may have been attached there at some point, similar to the Merr Sonn blasters.
Like this one as a primary example of possible paint-job, too:
-Carson
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scarf man
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Blueing is an oxide finish, so yes it can be scraped off much like rust. It’s a pretty robust finish.
Adhesive would tend not to take off blueing, but would likely remove part of a painted surface.
Davy Jones
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It's definitely where a greebile was. There's raised glue residue in places.
I believe the gun was painted black but they probably just dusted it so it wouldn't look that even. Just my thoughts
I believe the gun was painted black but they probably just dusted it so it wouldn't look that even. Just my thoughts
kpax
Sr Member
As Carson said above, I tend to believe there was a greeble glued to the slide rail leaving glue residue that looks chunky. I also tend to believe the mystery disk area is left from a disk after being glued on. A strong glue "could" remove bluing which is why the disk has what looks like pitting.
There is also some glue residue on the top of the barrel where the other pushrod head sheared off visible in some images.
The body of the Mauser looks blued to my eye. There are many worn areas that would be much more even toned if painted IMO. Some images above show this well. They would likely have had to paint it black. They would not have found a "blued" spray can. Sure, could have airbrushed, but why? It wasn't a "star" back then... just a quick shot prop with no real close-up. No need for that much thought and detail.
Note the crossbar. Paint did not stick to well to the aluminum. The removal and movement of the mount caused all the scrapes and rubs and gouges. The tone and texture of the Mauser body looks like the scope body to me.
I also just don't logically see the need for them to have painted it. They wanted it to look grungy. They did not repair the damaged areas. They didn't want it to look clean and smooth... so why paint it?
There is also some glue residue on the top of the barrel where the other pushrod head sheared off visible in some images.
The body of the Mauser looks blued to my eye. There are many worn areas that would be much more even toned if painted IMO. Some images above show this well. They would likely have had to paint it black. They would not have found a "blued" spray can. Sure, could have airbrushed, but why? It wasn't a "star" back then... just a quick shot prop with no real close-up. No need for that much thought and detail.
Note the crossbar. Paint did not stick to well to the aluminum. The removal and movement of the mount caused all the scrapes and rubs and gouges. The tone and texture of the Mauser body looks like the scope body to me.
I also just don't logically see the need for them to have painted it. They wanted it to look grungy. They did not repair the damaged areas. They didn't want it to look clean and smooth... so why paint it?
kpax
Sr Member
Vinegar removes bluing. Any "acid" will. Also other solvent or acidic based glues can remove bluing.
I accidently did this to one of my guns. I wanted to test an idea and when I took it off... whoopse!
But then they would have emery'd the other areas too. No evidence of that.
Difficult to explain the mystery disk area it is...
The mystery disk area remains a mystery... and I like that...
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kpax
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I boosted the color saturation in this image and lightened them a bit.
In the enhanced saturation image there is a definite difference between the scope and Mauser body blue/purple cast and the black plastic grill.
Food for thought.
Note there is a bit of silver looking color on the edge of the grill. Could be reflection. Could be weathering paint?
That Mystery disk is very shiny... in some images ; )
There is one image close up that you can actually see what I believe is a glue "ridge" on the frame where the disk was. Have to find it.
In the enhanced saturation image there is a definite difference between the scope and Mauser body blue/purple cast and the black plastic grill.
Food for thought.
Note there is a bit of silver looking color on the edge of the grill. Could be reflection. Could be weathering paint?
That Mystery disk is very shiny... in some images ; )
There is one image close up that you can actually see what I believe is a glue "ridge" on the frame where the disk was. Have to find it.
Darth Lars
Master Member
Just a few words of caution: Vinegar removes bluing from steel.
If you apply vinegar to a zink alloy (MGC or Denix), it will eat the metal!
(I learned both the hard way. Had to re-blue a scope, and re-build a Denix part from scratch)
kpax
Sr Member
Sorry about your learning experience! Must have been strong Vinegar or weak Zink! It will eventually dissolve the metal but brief contact should not harm it if washed and rinsed thoroughly. Bad experience for sure.
for others out there... Always "test" materials for compatibility. ; )
It’s not this one is it? This pic you can see something of a ridge around the bottom and left side of the disk.. ??
True. E-6000? Or a silicon gasket/adhesive like Permatex (smells like vinegar).
deadbolt
Sr Member
The photo that eludes us all..
This photo is the backing behind the 'Milled Disk' theory. But honestly, it's still a mystery...hence the name, haha
I personally think that all of the theories are very possible, it could be any of them, but as far as probability goes..I'm still on board with it being a silver 24mm sticker.
Though, without any solid proof (AKA better photos, in our case), we can't be sure at all..
-Carson
kpax
Sr Member
It shows a bit in that pic too but I was thinking of another promo image. I will have to find it, but...
The ridge also shows in the Luke Dagobah casting below.
Note the top and bottom ridge... likely glue... and also a center spot that lines up exactly. Likely the glue left from the pully wheel when it fell off.
The piston covers most of it but the center point is visible thru the hole in the piston.
kpax
Sr Member
With Carson's new photos there is another tidbit detail that come to light.
Looking at the pics. Couldn't be sure with the old chronicles pics because they used to actually cut around an image xacto style and thought maybe it was just a bad cut and paste job, but take a look at the top view image. I enlarged and enhanced a bit and tell me what you think.
I think- the rear sight elevation button is missing! I always suspected it but thought they may have accidentally cut it off in the crop but it looks like it's actually missing in these pics. Would definitely show at this angle.... mine does... ; )
Looking at the pics. Couldn't be sure with the old chronicles pics because they used to actually cut around an image xacto style and thought maybe it was just a bad cut and paste job, but take a look at the top view image. I enlarged and enhanced a bit and tell me what you think.
I think- the rear sight elevation button is missing! I always suspected it but thought they may have accidentally cut it off in the crop but it looks like it's actually missing in these pics. Would definitely show at this angle.... mine does... ; )
Here another another angle that may (or may not) help with this quest..
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