xwingfighter
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come on......No GOONIES?????
Am I REALLY the only one disappointed with TFA?
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I got Goonies!
Make sure to take your antibiotics before it spreads! I once got Goonies and now our kids got Goonies, too ...
xwingfighter
Active Member
lmao !!
Well the Wook was right about this:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...stake-in-star-wars/ar-AAgA0Hv?ocid=spartandhp
Even JJ begs his forgiveness!!!!!
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...stake-in-star-wars/ar-AAgA0Hv?ocid=spartandhp
Even JJ begs his forgiveness!!!!!
WOW... No medal in ANH and now this. Poor Chewie. 
That scene, was clearly an egregious contrivance--perhaps a last minute one, but a contrivance nonetheless--to have a *pass the torch* moment between an iconic female lead from the past, and the new female lead they hope to become iconic in the future. Whether Arndt/Kasdan wrote it that way, to shoe horn into the film a supposedly tender moment between these characters who had never even met, or JJ or Kathleen made a last minute change by ordering the female embrace during shooting.
I don't know exactly when it happened, but somewhere along the way, somebody spoke up--possibly even Carrie--and said, "Hey, we need a poignant moment/meeting of Leia and Rey. They're going to interact in the next film, and so we have to have them meet and connect emotionally in this film. Let's have Leia and Rey console each other after Han's killed.". And then if ANYBODY had the balls to speak up and say, "Ummm, no. They don't even know each other. That moment naturally belongs to Chewie and Leia.", then that person was completely ignored, and probably filing for unemployment the next day.
This bullsheet line JJ is spewing, "Well, at the time I thought Chewie should focus on Finn instead of Leia.", and, "Well, actually, Leia and Rey DO know each other--through the Force, you see. So it made total sense that they would find each other to embrace and mourn Han's death...umm, even though they never *really* had met one another.".
Jyeah, okay, JJ...whatever you say.
The Wook
OT Leia will ALWAYS be the defining female role of Star Wars. Forever.
There is no 'torch passing" or anything of that nature.
There is no 'torch passing" or anything of that nature.
Solo4114
Master Member
Gonna have to say you're wrong on that. At least as an objective statement. For you, Leia may always be the defining female role for Star Wars, and that's fine. But for kids growing up today? Kids growing up in the next 20 years? Nope. They'll have Rey, but Rey will, I suspect, be merely the first of many future female characters.
I get your point, but when pop culture puts a face on something in the larger picture, of branding and recognition and cultural touchstone.
Those hair buns are going to be there. Just like Spock to Trek. Nobody is putting up Tuvok.
Solo4114
Master Member
Well, yeah, but that's also because the image itself is iconic. But there will be other iconic images that will pop up, too, moving forward.
I dunno, Dano. Natalie portman wore all kinds of crazy get-ups and headpieces, but nobody remembers, or cares about, or considers those as iconic images.
The Wook
Solo4114
Master Member
Yeah, but I think that's generally because the PT was generally not that well received out of the gate, and over time didn't really do a ton to increase its following or cement its status as a cultural touchstone.
TFA had a more successful initial release with more positive initial response. We'll see how time treats it, of course.
That said, I do think it's a lot harder to create truly iconic images these days, to the point where they become obvious, long-lasting cultural touchstones. Much of that is because culture seems to move so quickly, and pop culture in particular is consumed and discarded at such a blistering pace anymore that it's difficult for anything to break through and really last. TFA may do that. It may not do that. Time will tell. But at least based on initial responses on the whole, I think TFA seems to be in a better position than the PT to really break through. Much of that will also depend on what comes after it.
I'd argue that, as disappointing to people as TPM was, if the subsequent two films had been much better received than they were, that people might've forgiven TPM's flaws and found more iconic material to latch on to in the PT overall. Of course, that's all purely hypothetical and will never come to pass. The PT is what it is, people reacted to it as they reacted to it, and its iconic imagery has proven, I think, to be less durable in the modern media landscape than the OT did.
The one thing I'd say, though, is that for all of the OT's enduring appeal and for all of its enduring iconic imagery, there's a difference between familiarity with the iconic signifiers and actual enjoyment of the films themselves. In other words, people may know that the hair buns = Princess Leia, even if they haven't seen the films, but that doesn't mean they'd dig the films if they did see them. It's just that, maybe, they've seen the Friends episode where Rachel wears the gold bikini with the (anachronistic) hair buns as a sexy outfit for Ross. Or they saw it on the back of someone's car as a decal or whatever. Doesn't mean that if they sat down and watched the OT that they'd think it was good.
Tell me about it. I can't even wear my Pharrell hat out anymore without getting weird looks.
The Wook
Another factor driving that bus in favor of Daisy Ridley is now she is in talk to be the new Laura Croft for a Tomb Raider re-boot. I would hazard a guess that her film career is likely to be more enduring in pop culture than Carrie's was and that will help make her portrayal of Rey over 3 or more films that much more iconic.
Yeah you really want to come out of these films as the Harrison Ford, not the Mark Hammil.
And I don't mean to burn Mark on this... I love the guy, love his other work (live action and voice over)... but most people think he did Star Wars and then it was curtains on his career.
And I don't mean to burn Mark on this... I love the guy, love his other work (live action and voice over)... but most people think he did Star Wars and then it was curtains on his career.
Hamill is a better actor than Ford.
Angelus Lupus
Sr Member
I'm hoping that part of her training with Luke involves making a Lightsaber that truly is her's - possibly double-bladed based on her quarterstaff. Then the new generation of fans (I'm not going to say little girls, because the appeal of Rey has proven to be wider than that) really can have 'Rey's Lightsaber'
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