What exactly is a S&W hero? I'm not familiar with S&W in this context. Is that who made the shells?
Alleged Screen Used Hero TOS Phaser up for auction (now the aftermath)
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USS Endeav
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Did you refer to yourself in the third person?
wayouteast
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Until a dusty vidotape of 'All That Glitters', the 'missing' eightieth episode of the original series, turns up in someone's basement. The tape has degraded over time, obviously, so it's all a bit murky. Uniquely, there's a momentary glimpse of some text before the beginning titles that reads 'made in AfterEffects'; even experts on 1960's television production techniques are unable to definitively explain the significance of that. As a clever stylistic device, they only shot the actors from the neck down in this episode so the main cast aren't recognisable, and the soundtrack has sadly been lost. New tunics were specially commissioned for just this episode, and coincidentally they bear some similarity to modern replicas (though they obviously aren't). But there is one scene where the recently discovered fifth hero phaser is very clearly seen in close up, velcro and all. Interestingly for TV historians, Desilu were obviously experimenting with early subliminal imaging at the time, since there are also a few frames spliced in just before and after the appearance of the phaser - too few to be noticeable to the viewer - with the tantalisingly obscure words 'It's real'. The tape will be up for auction soon with a starting price of $1 million, as befits such an iconic piece of cultural history.
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Havoc1112
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It’s a thing he does.
Trekfan
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Who knows what this thing is. Nobody could ever prove it was real.
As such, here is the list of losers from this whole disaster:
1) The buyer, who paid $250K for a prop that may very well be a forgery.
2) Heritage Auctions, for selling a prop whose authenticity they had VERY good reason to doubt
3) All of us, who had to watch this sad episode up close
and, most of all;
4) Herocomm, who have severely damaged their reputation with their awful endorsement of this prop based on nothing but assurances from sources they never named, having completely discarded their prior level of commitment to detail, analysis, and screen matching. They look like fools and shills now.
As such, here is the list of losers from this whole disaster:
1) The buyer, who paid $250K for a prop that may very well be a forgery.
2) Heritage Auctions, for selling a prop whose authenticity they had VERY good reason to doubt
3) All of us, who had to watch this sad episode up close
and, most of all;
4) Herocomm, who have severely damaged their reputation with their awful endorsement of this prop based on nothing but assurances from sources they never named, having completely discarded their prior level of commitment to detail, analysis, and screen matching. They look like fools and shills now.
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Gooday sir.
My mission in Life is [now] to win the lotto, offer the owner a handsome amount of money, and then hand the phaser over to you for confirmation as a FAKE. Fake being previously defined here [by me in message in #253] as a copy, replica, or misattributed work.
If you recognize it, it would be a fake. [copy or replica] But if [and I do say *IF*] a physical document were produced to claim the fake is REAL, then [then dependent on the *if*] the fake would be a forgery. [also defined #253]
With you clearly not being the one passing something as a forgery.
Good morning,
Let’s look at one part that screams replica besides the Velcro.
You guys noted the larger twist lock and that was one of the biggest red flags to me (and the top item on my list of inconsistencies I sent to Hero.)
The reason being is that twist lock is nylon and they didn’t exist in the 1960s.
There is 3 types of 2 pole twist locks that were available in certain time frame.
1) Date available; 1945? to 1960s original SMALL red phenolic Bakelite ( used in 1960s studios for small light cords)
This hard redish brown plug was smaller and used in the GJ hero. Fits the time.
Bakelite
rare, smells when grinded.
Summary
>The forger should have used one of these
2) 1960s to 70s; small BLACK hard plastic twist lock
Arrow Hart
Hard to find
Summary
>Would have been more convincing if used by the forger
3) 1970s to current Larger NYLON black twist lock
Easy to grind, looks like the smaller ones except for the height and it looks fuzzy on the surface when grinded because of the nature of nylon.
Summary
>This twist lock used in the “original hero” did not exist in the 1960s
I asked them to scrape it on the edge for a sliver to test. Does it bend or break?
Nylon will bend.
The auction house ignored it
So just that one part sinks the ship on this “original”, and the twist lock would never be replaced.
There are parts on the P2 I didn’t make.
The builder had to have puttied up the side knob hole and fixed the side ribs because the hole is molded in the S&W intersecting the ribs a little bit.
So just that twist lock convinced me that it’s a great replica.
Let’s look at one part that screams replica besides the Velcro.
You guys noted the larger twist lock and that was one of the biggest red flags to me (and the top item on my list of inconsistencies I sent to Hero.)
The reason being is that twist lock is nylon and they didn’t exist in the 1960s.
There is 3 types of 2 pole twist locks that were available in certain time frame.
1) Date available; 1945? to 1960s original SMALL red phenolic Bakelite ( used in 1960s studios for small light cords)
This hard redish brown plug was smaller and used in the GJ hero. Fits the time.
Bakelite
rare, smells when grinded.
Summary
>The forger should have used one of these
2) 1960s to 70s; small BLACK hard plastic twist lock
Arrow Hart
Hard to find
Summary
>Would have been more convincing if used by the forger
3) 1970s to current Larger NYLON black twist lock
Easy to grind, looks like the smaller ones except for the height and it looks fuzzy on the surface when grinded because of the nature of nylon.
Summary
>This twist lock used in the “original hero” did not exist in the 1960s
I asked them to scrape it on the edge for a sliver to test. Does it bend or break?
Nylon will bend.
The auction house ignored it
So just that one part sinks the ship on this “original”, and the twist lock would never be replaced.
There are parts on the P2 I didn’t make.
The builder had to have puttied up the side knob hole and fixed the side ribs because the hole is molded in the S&W intersecting the ribs a little bit.
So just that twist lock convinced me that it’s a great replica.
I circled the TWIST LOCK [primarily] and trigger [secondarily] back in post#57 [out of 1112] and indicated that this looked the MOST different to me between the two phasers. It is good to know that I have a good eye.
This comparison Winston Wolf did shows the side ribs are from the S&W mold
A mold could be made and then modified of an S&W hero, so some details will match but some might not.
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Do ALL features match up with a S&W hero ?
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Even if you proved he knew it was a fake, [might be tough] is lying enough to be banned, if he did not directly profit from the lie ?
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