JPH
Sr Member
JPH.
I won't accept your bait.
Because proving your claims is "bait"?
Hahahaha!
Troll, you have been outed!
JPH.
I won't accept your bait.
Do you just not realize that was the exact point I was making? He could & possibly will be charged with manslaughter, because that is based on the resulting action, not the intention.Being told by an authority figure it was unloaded does not absolve him from not checking himself.
He was practicing by aiming at a group of people, which is the exact opposite if what he should be doing. He can practice aiming /quickdrawing at any fixed point in the room.
If you or I were practicing a quickdraw with a gun we didnt check, and targeting near a group of people, it kills someone...we be in jail
Do you just not realize that was the exact point I was making? He could & possibly will be charged with manslaughter, because that is based on the resulting action, not the intention.
JPH, honest question.
I think everyone agrees that Baldwin fired the shot, so you'll get no argument from me there.
Do you think that he is solely responsible, morally and legally, for the tragic event that killed a person and wounded another?
That is, if you were Judge Judy, and could drag in anyone on the set, anyone credited on the film, anyone involved in anyway, and punish and/or fine them, would Baldwin be the only one at fault?
Neil W. Zoromsky, a veteran prop master said, (in an interview in the Los Angeles Times), that he turned down the offer of joining "Rust" they would not give him the team he requested. He asked for a team of five tech, which is standard in the industry. He then modified his request and asked for two experienced crew members: an assistant prop master and an armorer who would handle the weapons.There were issues with cost and complaints because they removed Union members.
Also prior firearm issues on the set.
Why use a noob weaponsmaster when you are already having issues? Recipe for bad stuff.
The wisest choice would be to Hire the best, most professional cleanup person/ weaponsmaster you can
Indeed, at the end of the day, things are going to end up if front of the courts. Silver lining of this whole affair is the fact that the Industry is going to change (as some T.V. series have already done) and not use real firearms. Airsoft + CGI is going to be the norm in a very near future.All arguments aside. All viewpoints aside. All speculation aside. We can all agree that even if no criminal charges are placed on anyone associated with the unfortunate event, the civil lawsuits will be huge. The production company, Alec Baldwin, the other members of the crew who dropped the ball… they all are going to be paying millions in lawsuit court.
I don't think that is a good idea.Indeed, at the end of the day, things are going to end up if front of the courts. Silver lining of this whole affair is the fact that the Industry is going to change (as some T.V. series have already done) and not use real firearms. Airsoft + CGI is going to be the norm in a very near future.
Actually, never point a gun at anyone, loaded or not.1) never point a loaded gun at anybody.
"The negligence from the person who was supposed to check the weapon on the site did not do this; the person who had to announce that the loaded gun was on the site did not do this; the person who should have checked this weapon before bringing it to the set did not do it. And the DEATH OF THE HUMAN IS THE RESULT!" Svetnoy went on. "I'm sure that we had the professionals in every department, but one — the department that was responsible for the weapons. There is no way a twenty-four-year-old woman can be a professional with armory; there is no way that her more-or-less the same-aged friend from school, neighborhood, Instagram, or God knows where else, can be a professional in this field. I'm sure that we had the professionals in every department, but one - the department that was responsible for the weapons. There is no way a twenty-four-year-old woman can be a professional with armory; there is no way that her more-or-less the same-aged friend from school, neighborhood, Instagram, or God knows where else, can be a professional in this field."
I never had a person set to ignore since 2009. After watching a troll this week in this thread… I have my first one.This thread has reminded me why I've only had one person on ignore since joining the RPF. After 3 years I took him off the list and within 2 weeks he's right back where he belongs.
One thing to keep in mind. Dummy rounds can look a lot like "live" rounds. Depending on how they're made, the only difference could be the weight. That is why "live" ammunition, that is, anything that can fire a projectile, is supposed to be STRICTLY controlled on set, more so then blanks, which should be controlled as well.
For certain shots, especially with revolvers, you might want dummy rounds in the cylinder so in a close up, you can see the bullet in the cylinder.
I've seen dummy rounds on gun belts that were made from fired cases, loaded with new bullets. Without weighing them, the only way you could tell would be the primer dent on a fired case. I've even seen some folks hammer the dent out of primers before "reloading" them into dummy rounds. In that case, you'd have to know what you were looking at to be able to tell what it was.
Edit: I forgot, one way to load dummy rounds is to toss a few metal BBs inside, so that when you shake the round, hear the rattle, letting you know it's a dummy round.
One thing to keep in mind. Dummy rounds can look a lot like "live" rounds. Depending on how they're made, the only difference could be the weight. That is why "live" ammunition, that is, anything that can fire a projectile, is supposed to be STRICTLY controlled on set, more so then blanks, which should be controlled as well.
For certain shots, especially with revolvers, you might want dummy rounds in the cylinder so in a close up, you can see the bullet in the cylinder.
I've seen dummy rounds on gun belts that were made from fired cases, loaded with new bullets. Without weighing them, the only way you could tell would be the primer dent on a fired case. I've even seen some folks hammer the dent out of primers before "reloading" them into dummy rounds. In that case, you'd have to know what you were looking at to be able to tell what it was.
Edit: I forgot, one way to load dummy rounds is to toss a few metal BBs inside, so that when you shake the round, hear the rattle, letting you know it's a dummy round.
The following is my take on the firearm handling, it’s a little long, but gun safetyOne thing to keep in mind. Dummy rounds can look a lot like "live" rounds. Depending on how they're made, the only difference could be the weight. That is why "live" ammunition, that is, anything that can fire a projectile, is supposed to be STRICTLY controlled on set, more so then blanks, which should be controlled as well.
For certain shots, especially with revolvers, you might want dummy rounds in the cylinder so in a close up, you can see the bullet in the cylinder.
I've seen dummy rounds on gun belts that were made from fired cases, loaded with new bullets. Without weighing them, the only way you could tell would be the primer dent on a fired case. I've even seen some folks hammer the dent out of primers before "reloading" them into dummy rounds. In that case, you'd have to know what you were looking at to be able to tell what it was.
Edit: I forgot, one way to load dummy rounds is to toss a few metal BBs inside, so that when you shake the round, hear the rattle, letting you know it's a dummy round.