Originally posted by motorfish+Jan 12 2006, 02:53 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motorfish @ Jan 12 2006, 02:53 PM)</div>
Originally posted by Lord Abaddon@Jan 12 2006, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by motorfish@Jan 12 2006, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Lord Abaddon@Jan 12 2006, 02:19 PM
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@Jan 12 2006, 07:25 AM
So TE, GF, Gino and all the current derivatives aren't in it for the MONEY?????
Holy cow. I'm gonna go rethink my life....
Jeesh....
What was the topic again???
Dave :rolleyes
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Bingo...and one of the underlying causes for a lot of this strife. Competitors and their associates chiming in from the "underground" against someone who is brazenly selling and doing what they wish they could do. Or who tried to make/cut deals with AA and were rebuffed.
The truth is many involved are hardly doing this just for the sake of "love of the hobby" but have their own agendas, either as noted above or just to cause strife and conflict and would glom on to any issue that they just felt worthy of their time and attacks.
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You of all people should know that GF and TE were trying to produce the best trooper armor out there. How often they posted progress reports, how often they asked for feedback. You've been around long enough.
Again, what do I produce? Oh thats right. I know Matt so therefore I'm a trooper armor producer. ask all of the trooper armor owners out there how many orders I've fulfiled.
Matt works alone. He pulls his armor alone, he trims his pieces alone, he boxes and ships them alone. My "contribution" to making trooper armor is that I've helped him to clear frames a few times in order to give Matt a hand, but it turns out that I was usually too slow, and slowed down his process.
Stromtroopers, I have no interest in. Boba Fett stuff is where any of my Star wars passion lies.
The truth is many involved are hardly doing this just for the sake of "love of the hobby" but have their own agendas, either as noted above or just to cause strife and conflict and would glom on to any issue that they just felt worthy of their time and attacks.
Ironic. Turn that mirror around on yourself why don't you. Why are you here?
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Um, bull. Either that or Matt is a liar too. He told me you helped him with painting the finished helmets. He also told me how much he would make on each suit he pulled and how he would do it to both recoup costs on the original but make more to buy more props. He also told me he has other who help him trim and pull because it was hard for him with his family and all. And he admitted to me he is definitely not an artist so would get others to work with him.
GF I actually do not know enough about who he worked with or what he did. I have a great respect for GF and in all honesty felt terrible when he was hit by LFL. However...you can look at any ad put out long ago on GF's site and see the prices of what he was selling. Considering Matt himself told me the actual costs in materials to make a full armor set, and how much profit was being made by others, and I have since heard the same...there is no doubt money was in GF's mind too.
Now...keep in mind...I am NOT saying that either TE nor GF wanting to make a profit off their work was a bad thing. Not at all. I sure would be willing to pay for GF's work in a heartbeat and actually did own several of TE's various props at one time or another. But the fact is that profit was still a big factor tied into their love and passion for Star Wars and props. However I will say that GF has been throughout it all a gentleman, as always, while TE has been far less than that.
Why am I here? Same reason you are. I love SW, love the props, have collected nearly every ST helmet from my first Don Post '77 "toy." AND to give an alternate perspective on AA that is neither connected to him nor anything but a collector who sees someone from the original movie doing something we all have wanted...but some have tainted or decided was wrong from the get go. Or to sum up...to give some actual counter-points to the vilification process that seems to have been decided the second he went "live" with his sales.
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He told me you helped him with painting the finished helmets.
"In the meantime everything said is just pure speculation and assumption." Your words, I believe, are appropriate here. Dan L may have helped in the painting of his own helmet, but not this Dan. Probably for the Tie Pilot stuff, but Matt was pretty hands-on for trooper stuff. I remeber a few people painting stuff on trooper helmets, but those were for their own suits and helmets, not to fulfill orders.
There was talk of me helping out in painting, but it never got the chance to happen as I was busy all summer. I never put one coat of paint on a helmet, nor filled in a frown, or painted an ear.
Y'see, the difference is that I was there and you were not. You've got nothin' here, I'm afraid. ^_^
And I never said that profit WASN'T a part of GF's or TE's plan did I, but that it was not the
primary reason. Weak ass turn around tactic at best, IMO. Cut and paste away for all I care.
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