You are arguing against something I wasn't arguing about.
Earlier...
Or maybe... just maybe... we could pay it no mind. You know... Like Saavik crying
Sure looks like you were arguing that point.
You are arguing against something I wasn't arguing about.
Or maybe... just maybe... we could pay it no mind. You know... Like Saavik crying
Listen carefully to how I explain this:
My arguement in that post was that we should maybe pay the "cold fusion device" in STID no mind- just like we "already" pay the flaws in ST:II no mind.
Your counter arguement was not about what I was saying but rather (as usual) substituting a weaker arguement in its place that you then argue against.
Please look up Straw Man arguement once and for all and try to understand why I as well as others have difficulty having a discussion with you. Contrary to everything you might believe, we are not the problem.
Kevin
Sure looks like you were arguing that point.
Thank the Maker, I was just circling back to say just about the same thing. Another issue is that instead of reading someones post and at the very least acknowledging that you might be wrong, Jeyl.
Obtuse and pedantic....
Ok, if you want to talk about how I am wrong, by all means explain why Saavik crying is not right. I'm all ears. If you guys are willing to go into technobabble on transporters, what's wrong with going into characters?
Are we talking about me, or the Wrath of Khan? Because I want to talk about the Wrath of Khan if that's alright with you.
Good point.
The series has shown that they could beam something far enough away if it threatened the ship (such as Nomad exploding). So the question now becomes: could they beam it far enough away that the creation of an entire planet would not affect the ship?
I guess that depends on the size of Genesis, and exactly how far away are they able to beam something.
According to Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise (because I'm pretty sure there is no mention of the maximum range of the transporters in the first two films or the series... so we really have nothing else to go on for reference) the maximum safe range is 19,500 miles or 31,200 kilometers.
The transporter would allow them to beam Genesis over 31,000km away. And while getting away the Enterprise had travel 4,000km at impulse. So say at best they could put 36,000km bewteen themselves and the explosion.
How big was Genesis? Again there is no mention of it in the films, so going on that it appears to at least have the same gravity of Earth, let's say it is about the same size which is 12,742km. How about making it easy and rounding it up to 13,000.
So really they would only have to escape half that distance because they would need to be outside of half the diameter, but let's say to avoid any debris or the shockwave itself, they would have to travel twice that distance- 26,000km.
Exvept there is no real way to know what the "safe" distance truly was, AND the transporters were not working at optimum capacity. Scotty said he "barely" had transporter power before Kirk and company beamed down to Regula, and they had only restored partial main power when they returned.
Maybe they "could" have beamed it far enough away, but it is just as likely that they could not have, and the risk would be too great if they were wrong.
So going on this... I would say that Bryan and Michael are right that "not attempting" to beam Genesis off the Reliant, and concentrating on restoring warp drive "was" the right descision by Kirk!
**** that's awesome!
Kevin
Really? It seems more you want to disregard what everyone else says and simply plow ahead with your own agenda.
So I'm guilty of having an agenda that involves talking about Star Trek II in a Star Trek II thread?
No you are guilty of picking a fight with me when I wasn't the one who brought up Saavik crying.....
So you want to put aside the bickerting and talk about Saavik crying now?
NO because it wasn't a topic I brought up you dolt! Burton did! I have made no comment about it do stop asking me!
Than what do you want to talk about?
How about you admit that the film clearly shows that Pike likes Kirk.
Than what do you want to talk about?
I may be getting confused here regarding whether you are talking about Genesis the 'device'...