Wait, so you're complaining that DSC is not upholding Trek ideals by making one of its main characters an exemplar of the values and ideals from the original series' run?*
For £√¢€'s sake.
*(Never mind that the whole "no win scenario" thing was cooked up for Wrath if Khan, a movie that did it's own share of revisionism to the TOS characters and as such was lambasted by fans at the time with the exact same critiques that Discovery is getting now. It's like Paramount/CBS can't win. Hmm. That sounds familiar.)
But the "No win scenario" is established as a training requirement for Starfleet officers so Saru and the rest of the crew would be familiar with the possibility. So this version of Trek is not allowed to borrow familiar tenets of classic Trek to act as touchstones for established fans and for it's own dramatic purposes?And the overall point is that STD is stealing yet another thing from traditional Trek. In this case a specific personality trait of one of the most famous Trek characters.
Oh yes, the apex of BBC special effects. Forget about the Action Man tank in Robot in Tom Baker's first Who story. This is two hairdryers stuck together purporting to be a spacecraft. Stick some curling tongs on the side andVoila! a DSC Klingon cruiser.Oh my God, please tell me those are actual hairdryers.
But the "No win scenario" is established as a training requirement for Starfleet officers so Saru and the rest of the crew would be familiar with the possibility. So this version of Trek is not allowed to borrow familiar tenets of classic Trek to act as touchstones for established fans and for it's own dramatic purposes?
In truth. Kirk in TOS was by the book. The movies turned him into a rogue
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As far as this show... I don't even get why I am still watching. Only because it is "Star Trek" I guess. I can't believe how forced every single scene feels. There is zero humor, zero (unforced) chemistry between characters, and zero consistency. All of the science has been thrown out the window in favor of what is literally magical pixey dust.
The only thing saving StarTrek this year for me is Orville. Thank god for Seth MacFarlane.
There is no canon source showing the existence of the KM test prior to Kirk's time. Not saying he was the first or anything, but there is nothing in canon to support that the Discovery crew could have taken it.
Lt. Kirk was already a Starfleet officer, serving on the Farragut, during the time period of Discovery in the 2250s. He would have taken the KM test when at the academy, prior to that, and therefore it predates Discovery. TOS episode "Obsession" certainly qualifies as canon.
You seem to be an expert on the test. What are your sources? You seem to approach it as the Kobiyashi Maru is some kind of masonic secret whispered about by command staff. In everyday life there are plenty of "no win scenarios" that people face. I don't see being on a seemingly doomed ship as any different. And why would command track staff be the only ones to take it? It's a test of character, not command skill. Any officer may have to take command. They're not going to turn round and say "I'm not sure if I can accept this no win scenario because I didn't take the test."Maybe, big maybe on the younger crew members. But let's talk about Saru, the one who actually said it.
Saru's career predates Kirk enough for there to be some leeway. And initially being a science officer, would not have taken the test during his academy days in any case. Spock did not take it. Only people on track for command take it. So what would he even know about it outside of rumor, hearsay, and speculation? He certainly would not have it ingrained in his command-character, since he was not groomed that way.
The ultimate point though is that they are stealing Kirk's character trait of not accepting the "no-win" scenario. Saru has no business being Kirk, so to speak. And it stinks of character-theft and lazy writing.
You seem to be an expert on the test. What are your sources? You seem to approach it as the Kobiyashi Maru is some kind of masonic secret whispered about by command staff. In everyday life there are plenty of "no win scenarios" that people face. I don't see being on a seemingly doomed ship as any different. And why would command track staff be the only ones to take it? It's a test of character, not command skill. Any officer may have to take command. They're not going to turn round and say "I'm not sure if I can accept this no win scenario because I didn't take the test."