You have never seen the Blade Runner blaster before - PHOTOS RESTORED

[KarlBud420]

I think everyone is running into the problem of the poor translation of sarcasm over the internet. It's truly an underappreciated form of humor. Sometimes I'll mess with people just to see the look on their faces, which unfortunately can't be done here.

Everyone has got to remember that the damn smiley face is almost as important as the words.

Emoticons away. :confused :$ :angel :lol :confused B)

Is there any way to bring the old archived thread about the blaster back to the top of the Prop Forum? I was browsing back through it and it seems like almost all of the details of this prop were suggested at one point and then finally confirmed with the recent pictures.

What a difference 5 years and 40 clear pictures makes.

Bruce

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I don't believe I've ever thought the Green LEDs were lit up, for the longest time I was one of the few that even believed there was one in the rear of the Dental tool thingy.

As for the wire, I had posted this earlier in this thread (I think...could have been another thread)

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So what does everyone think the bottom of the wires are doing in this pic? Are the tucked up inside or are they already cut at this point?

To me it looks like they might be doubled up back under themselves. What say you?

Bruce

 

[Serafino]

Time to start a new thread if you want to reference the old one. One can link to specific posts in the archived thread for reference, or quote them into the new thread/posts with a small amount of creative cut and paste.

 

[racprops]

I think at this point and and when it is dropped, the wires roll under the swing arm and turn into the ammo housing and are hooked up to the battery.

These are old high drawing LEDs (and back then, not very bright) and may exsplain why the red LEDs are poorly lite and uneven, perhaps adding these was too much for the battery???

The wires at this point are longer that the wires we saw, the wires we saw ended shorter and more up the swing arm than these.

Rich

 

[proplica]

Some more info on the mysterious wires....

After going over some images of the HD dvd and comparing the worldcon images, I am convinced
the white wires were left exposed by mistake. The close up was an insert shot taken at another time (the wall texture doesn't even match). At some point the cover on the gun was removed, then reinstalled before this shot. The wires should have been tucked under the cover as they were originally in all the other scenes....

Anyone here come to this conclusion as well?

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I think at this point and and when it is dropped, the wires roll under the swing arm and turn into the ammo housing and are hooked up to the battery.

These are old high drawing LEDs (and back then, not very bright) and may exsplain why the red LEDs are poorly lite and uneven, perhaps adding these was too much for the battery???

The wires at this point are longer that the wires we saw, the wires we saw ended shorter and more up the swing arm than these.

Rich
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[phase pistol]

I don't know if the wires were supposed to be tucked anywhere... it seemed to me that they were glued firmly in place. they do not flop loosely at the side like you might think.

- k

 

[Noeland]

First I'd like to say thanks to the mods for cleaning up the thread instead of locking it. Thanks for getting us back on track.

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The wires should have been tucked under the cover as they were originally in all the other scenes....[/b]

Actually it looks like they made a little groove for the wire to sit in in the sideplate, and I'd have to assume the wire was meant to go into the clip housing and attach to the same switch as the other LEDs in the gun. My guess is, as Rich says, they probably ended up not having enough power to make them all work so they snipped the wires so the red LED could shine brighter.

Njc-------------------

 

[phase pistol]

Here's a nice shot of the right side of the gun... I didn't take a proper orthographic frame of both sides, unfortunately...

 

[Serafino]

Karl did the prop feel roomier in the grip than your RAC?

So far my comparisons suggest the prop grip was quite a bit longer than current models. I'm going to have to go back and take more photos of my RAC with my camera turned 90 degrees to be sure.

 

[KarlBud420]

Are the two screws missing on the left side of the ammo housing (under the sundial switch) or are my eyes playing tricks on me?

Bruce

 

[phase pistol]

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So far my comparisons suggest the prop grip was quite a bit longer than current models.
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I think no, unless your definition of "far roomier" and "quite a bit longer" is only a few millimeters.

I just picked up my Coyle V4, and my finger positions on it look about the same as my photo of the prop.

If the real grip is longer, it would be very slight. I do suspect tho that the TRIGGER GUARD is a little different shape than we've seen on replicas. I think it has a "bowl" curve to its outer surface, which might tend to get it out of the way of your fingers when holding the gun.

Coyle's trigger guard seems flat by comparison.

- k

 

[phase pistol]

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Are the two screws missing on the left side of the ammo housing (under the sundial switch)
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Hard to be absolutely certain, but it does look like the screw is missing on the lower hole. But note in the third pic below, it looks like a pentagonal hole in the center as if it were a screwhead we're seeing.

If there's a screw in the upper hole, it must be in pretty deep.

Also notice between the two holes and to the left, the little half-moon depression. Also there's some kind of yellow thing on the left side of the "sundail" (toward the rear of the gun).

- k

 

[racprops]

The bottom forward hole is where the pin for the ammo clip holding arm, and is open within the film and can be seen at the end as Deckard lowers the gun.

Also the ammo clip sits slightly out of the housing, in a real Styer set up it is totaly in the housing and sits flush with the bottom.

The little half-moon depression is a part of the real Syter Housing.

And I realy think the remaining hole is missing the screw that holds the ammo housing to the bulldog.

And I really think that odd screw on the side cover was added after the film shoot, so far no one has found it in any film capture...


Rich

 

[Serafino]

Karl--Perhaps the gun didn't feel much different because the first finger groove rests a bit lower vs. the triggerguard, and the finger groove on the butt plate is a bit shallower than commonly done.

I have started some comparison work based on a recent RAC. Please note that this is preliminary work, and I am the first to acknowledge possible issues of distortion in trying to match photos taken from close distances. Still, I think there is reason to believe the grips are significantly larger than we had been thinking. The green overlay is from KarlÂ’s photo of the prop, and I went through a lot of trials trying to match the angle and distance of the RAC to the prop photo as closely as possible.

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Rich–perhaps all the reference we’ve had to date for the grip was too many casting generations distant from the original?

Other apparent differences worth further investigation include: the top thumbscrew is mounted lower, the grip height relative to the receiver is different, the grip angle is different, the top grip screw is definitely more forward.

Since some of the differences seen are on the vertical axis IÂ’m going to be taking another photo with my camera rotated, just in case thereÂ’s some weird distortion of aspect ratio going on. There is obviously much further work to be done to refine and confirm needed changes, and I will be doing further comparisons to other Karl photos.

 

[racprops]

There will be a slightly smaller model, I am working with a casting plastic and molding RTV.


Rich

 

[Serafino]

I know Rich, itÂ’s a complicated bugger, and by the nature of having been at this so long you have to deal with revisions all the time. Just grit your teeth.

 

[MattMunson]

When I get back to LA, I can pull out my coyle blaster and compare it to the stunt casting I have. I can photograph both of them on a grid so we can be abso-sure about the length of the handle.

 

[Serafino]

Matt, what generation is the stunt casting?

Also, I've seen pictures of an apparent 'stunt' with very undersized translucent grips grafted onto it, which makes one wonder how much shrinkage occurred how early in the game on these things.

There are other possible discrepancies with stunts which need to be researched further. I sometimes wonder whether the 'stunt casting' was actually a casting of an initial mockup of the design, and not the final pistol.

Anyway I look forward very much to your photos.

 

[racprops]

It seems the stunt was made off the gun early on, no leds in the ammo clip, no cut butt plate, no leds in the rod.

Clay filling covering a few details and the bottom screw on the left side cover.

And these were a hard casting made from a mold made off a rubber stunt model, so yes a little shrinkage is to be expected.

But I also have a real Bulldog and had a Styer and still have the mold I made off the Styer.. so I canl remake it to almost full 1:1.

Rich

 

[Serafino]

Rich--yes that's the theory, but what is it based on? Did someone who worked on the original gun state that it was used to cast the stunts?

If there turn out to be discrepancies (beyond clay fill and missing refinements) between the prop and stunts, we have to consider other possibilities, such as that there might have been an initial mockup done, maybe from cast parts, to check the relationships and get approval, and maybe that was the basis of the stunt castings. (Some kind of approval before the parts were machined is certainly likely.)

Yes I'm speculating, and until further work is done there's not much cause for concern, but I've seen some possible proportional discrepancies and they got me thinking.

 

[racprops]

Well it has the same serial number and is clay filled to keep rubber out of the real gun parts...

There are real guns in there.

Rich