You have never seen the Blade Runner blaster before - PHOTOS RESTORED

<div class='quotetop'>(SFPROPS @ Sep 8 2006, 12:33 AM) [snapback]1315418[/snapback]</div>
So it's your position that the ID's you sold match what can be seen on-screen in Deckard's hand in the movie? I think that was Franz's argument - not that it didn't somehow come from the production at some point.[/b]
Yes. I'm certain that the ID I recreated matches the one seen in Deckard's hand.

The clip-ons at Worldcon are very similar, yet still different, from the original IDs that I've seen.

Official IDs carried in wallets are usually different from clip-ons worn on the outside of clothing.

Phil
 
Yeah, they look quite different: :confused
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Anyone have a copy of the newly remastered Director's Cut that came out on Tuesday? Perhaps someone could get a screencap of this particular scene to see if the image is any better.....

Just thought I'd throw that out there since there is now a supposed better point of reference than before...
 
<div class='quotetop'>(juno @ Sep 8 2006, 12:57 AM) [snapback]1315431[/snapback]</div>
Yeah, they look quite different: :confused
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The ID's I've seen which are purported to be digitally recast from Phil's look different than the ones showed above to me as well. It seems as though the graphic above Deckard's photo and to the right are significantly different to what appears to be onscreen now that we can see the other production made ID (which seems to be an almost exact match). I'm sure that there are differences between the ID that was made for production which was used for Phil's offering and the Worldcon ID, but of the two production made ID's, the one from Worldcon seems to match visually from the front better. That's what I see anyways.
 
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Yeah, they look quite different: :confused
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You're absolutely right. From a distance, the clip-on looks very similar to the ID; from close up, not so much.

Phil
 
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Yeah, they look quite different: :confused
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You're absolutely right. From a distance, the clip-on looks very similar to the ID; from close up, not so much.
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I'm looking at exactly what you are looking at. A screencap of the actual movie, and a picture of the actual "clip on" which looks the same...more so than the "ID". My eyes versus yours.
 
It's easy Tif, if Phil's wallet ID was an exact copy of the screen-used ID then even with the NDA's signed there would always be the potential of a digital copy turning up on eBay thereby reducing the perceived value of the real ID. As only Phil was ever able to compare next-to-next, in front of the original owner I'm sure, then surely the owner would say "just tweak this a bit, just to be safe, my pretty".

I thought the Colombo analogy earlier was fantastic.

The Phil wallet was the best copy available, that doesn't mean it had to be exact, just close enough to give the buyers something special and just different enough to not piss off the owners, to protect their considerable investment.

The fact that the ID that Phil has seen does not match the images from Worldcon is no surprise as they were handmade, you're going to see discrepancies.

Phil also says he "does not lie". Good for you Phil.

However as you say in your detailed descriptions on your wallet site "there were two wallets made for the production", maybe the ID at Worldcon matches the other wallet exactly, but not the wallet you saw.

http://www.steinschneider.com/bladerunner/...ect_outline.htm

I don't mean this to be a personal attack, but your recent posts seem to be an attempt to build the mystique back up and reinforce your position as the guru for BR.

Shame that's now no longer the case.
 
Just out curiosity I'd really love to know why the Deckard ID in the Wallet project is priced at $300?
If the original Deckard ID was made the same way as the one photographed by phase pistol then it's just a laminated print - $300? :eek
 
guys, im not much of a blade runner fan (the blasters cool but the movie just never clicked for me), so i really dont have a dog in this fight.

i gotta say though, i am a little shocked and surprised at the attacks on phil. he has been a top level, a+++ no bad dealings AT ALL member of the board for years. hes brought us tons of stuff from buffy props to misc cool items from various sci fi movies. his job is a prop broker, and he kicks ass at it.

after all this time on the board, he mentions that some high end collectors (the guys that do business with him and with others) got peeved (thats all i can tell from this huge read), and now hes suddenly the guy on the grassy knoll?

the thread kinda spun off from "look at these pics." to "crap the pics are gone" to "it was a conspiracy to make sure that rich and phil make money off this blaster...." :confused . needless to say, thats pretty f'in dumb.

i honestly cant stick up for richard as i really barely know him, but phil has been there time after time for pretty much all of us, and has never to my knowledge caused any kind of problem on the board, swiped cash, recast an item, or done anything to warrant the attacks on him and his charactor.

i agree it does suck the pics are gone, but oh well. thats not a reason to take it out on what amounts to a bystander. phil (to me, anyway) isnt the end all alpha and omega of the BR world. he made some insanely expensive wallet sets, but that is all i can really remember that includes him and blade runner. the wallets cost a pretty penny but they were pretty much the most accurate you could hope to get from a guy who has handled the screen used originals. if it wasnt worth the money he wouldnt have sold out.

let me know if i have this wrong...
1: pics are posted (awesome pics, and thanks karl for posting em. they were cool)
2: we all drool cause its a friggin awesome prop that even if you dislike the movie (like me) cause having this kind of access only happens to MR when they are working on an lfl prop.
3: pics are requested to be removed after the owner got in touch with rich and said "take em down"
4: rich didnt want to implicate karl in the fallout if there was any, so he basically played the fall guy and asked karl to remove em.
5: we get angry cause pics are removed, and whoever owns the high end blade runner stuff is a selfish weenie. (or group of anal retentive weenies)
6: now somehow phil and rich are conspiring???

sorry, it just doesnt add up.

it sucks the pics were removed, it sucks the owner caved, it sucks we dont have the photos to play with. it also sucks we dont have 300k to drop on a prop replica as well. i dont see anyone here bitching about not winning the lotto, so why complain when the "haves" act like jerks? how often does the guy in the fancy sports car not drive like a retard? so some guy has a crapload of money and a cool prop. he decides after his "friends" or "associates" inform him of thier anger, to remove the pics. he doesnt want to get excluded from the chance to own or get more cool stuff so he just caves and asks the pics to be taken down.

still not seeing a conspiracy here. granted, it has an ass kissing feel to it, and sort of a strange prop whore feel to it, but it doesnt have a conspiracy feel to it. least not to me.

granted, the guys phil deals with have lots of money, and apparently are pretty insecure about thier own collections, but its thier toy and thier sandbox. if they want to be jerks and not let anyone in, pfft who gives a damn. technically we are jerks because of the enrollment issues we have. its a public board but we have a very strict policy of who can stay and who has to go, and when new blood can be added.

how about we focus on the fact we got to see the pics, they were cool, we know the original isnt in a trash heap somewhere (sorta like the hero GK or hero obi wan ANH).

i hope to one day own a nice BR blaster. if it doesnt match up 100% to the official screen used white wired pin pushing bolt action spinning cylinder one, i think i will still be able to look at myself in the mirror and call myself a sci fi fan.

:thumbsup thanks again for getting us the pics man, they were cool and its pretty much the first? big prop discovery thread where the prop got to be photographed and handled by a member here. thats awesome in itself, and if we get titles back one day, i nominate karl for "Luckiest S.O.B in BR history".

as far as phil goes, hes still the man, and i think whoever feels he is in some kind of strange prop conspiracy needs to take a look at the history of the man here and see what he has done. i kinda doubt he is going to endanger his work and his own personal ethics to make a quick buck on a replica. for gods sake the dude has an original hero predator 2 spear in his basement, i kinda doubt he is hurting for cool stuff in his collection or money to fuel that collection.

lates
chris
 
For the record; I agree with Hydin.
I'm astonished how quickly this thread degenerated into conspiracy theories and sniping.

It doesn't matter. Nothing about this situation has affected anybody in a negative way.
Photos were kindly posted, great photos and then, because of a change of circumstance, they were removed.
That's all it has to do with us. If Karl chose to remove his photos then that's up to him. It's his choice. It's none of my business why he chose to do it.

Thanks Phase Pistol for thinking of us. It was fascinating to see the pictures while they were here.
 
<div class='quotetop'>(28injection @ Sep 8 2006, 06:55 AM) [snapback]1315510[/snapback]</div>
If you read Phills diary about the wallet you will see the Deckard id is not like the cop one from Worldcon.
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...and if you look at the screen captures, you'll see that the Deckard ID is not like the one that Phil purported to sell. There may have been differences between what reference Phil had (materials, small details), and what was seen at Worldcon, and the normal small differences between different version due to the methods or creation, but visually...against what is seen onscreen, in my opinion the Worldcon ID is a closer match as far as some of the main graphical elements (we have no way to compare the back or materials the screen-used ID was made from - and the photo is of course the exception). Especially if you look at higher definition captures (which I'm trying to get posted). Namely, the graphical elements just above the photo (the redundant 995 with the Japanese) and to the right of the photo (the 3 blocks instead of the multi-sized geometric shapes). It's my belief that the Deckard ID may very well have had his name in the area below the Police 995 (or 99S) as well.

There very well may have been tells added to the piece in question. Normally though, I don't believe that the extent to which the front of the ID would have to have been changed (again, assuming my eyes aren't playing tricks on me) would fall into what collectors would usually consider reasonable tells. I'm not inferring that Phil lied about his reference or that he wasn't under the impression that the ID he had access to wasn't identical to the one onscreen when he sold it. It's just...looking at the two ID's now that the Worldcon one has been made available makes it look pretty clear (at least to my eyes, and apparently others) that there are features on the Worldcon ID which are on the screen-used ID that weren't on the one Phil had access to (or he had to change his ID significantly in order to get them produced).

No big deal really, and I was just asking to clarify his opinion based on the new evidence which would seem (again, I'm allowing for there to be some kind of reasonable explanation or that what I'm pretty sure I see I don't see) to show that there were at the very least enormous tells in the ID Phil says is nearly identical to the screen-used ID.

And Hydin...I really don't think most people here are attacking Phil. We're asking for answers when some things which are said by a few people here doesn't seem to add up. There could be reasonable explanations for all this...or not. I think most of here are here to learn and share info about things we are interested in. Sometimes there are heated debates in regards to shared interests. There shouldn't be any sacred cows nor should there be any punching bags. But people should be able to stand by what they say and defend it when it seems at odds with norms. Being able to do so only serves to strengthen a person's respect amongst their peers.
 
<div class='quotetop'>(SFPROPS @ Sep 8 2006, 06:51 AM) [snapback]1315523[/snapback]</div>
And Hydin...I really don't think most people here are attacking Phil. We're asking for answers when some things which are said by a few people here doesn't seem to add up. There could be reasonable explanations for all this...or not. I think most of here are here to learn and share info about things we are interested in. Sometimes there are heated debates in regards to shared interests. There shouldn't be any sacred cows nor should there be any punching bags. But people should be able to stand by what they say and defend it when it seems at odds with norms. Being able to do so only serves to strengthen a person's respect amongst their peers.
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i agree with you, but after reading through the thread (wondered how it got to be 14 pages long), it seemed like it took a detour into crazyland with some of the stuff being said. phils a friend of mine and seeing the weird theories flying around about him just ticked me off. im sure he can defend himself against any remarks or whatnot, but i didnt see anyone sticking up for him, and that ticked me off even more.

its not like hes a mystery guy we dont know, or some strange new poster that no one has met. hes friggin phil. hes been here for years and hes about the closest thing we have on this forum to... hell, santa. the dude has never done anything wrong as far as i can remember, no screwing people over, no miscast/recast items, no undercut runs of anything, hes just given us great info on pieces we wonder about and gave us the chance to own some cool stuff.

ill be honest and say i skimmed the thread, cause honestly reading this long of a thread word for word is insane, but after seeing the weird slide from propdom over to conspiracy, i just felt i had to say something.

chris
 
Some people have trouble trusting other people. I can understand that. It's usually a function of bad life experiences. Regardless the cause, I'm trying to answer questions to the best of my ability within the context of the promises I've made to people who've shared information with me (on which they've placed preconditions).

Why do any preconditions exist? I don't know. And I'm not one to judge. Simply put: if I don't abide by the rules, the information might never come out.

Am I the big bad Blade Runner guru? Of course not. I'm just an average guy who got involved in a film I love when not that many people were paying attention. There are several guys watching this forum who know much, much more than I in regards to this film. In fact, two of them have been collecting Blade Runner since 1982. I'm just fortunate enough to be someone they can come to and in whom they can confide.

Why am I the one they chose? I don't know the answer to that question either. It just happened.

Blade Runner collectors want to share. They simply don't want to later be attacked for not sharing more, or worse, be accused of showing material that isn't real when it is. Some of them also don't want to give potential thieves an inventory list of what they own. I can respect that.

Finally, I placed no tells on any of the wallet components I reproduced. They are faithful to he originals in every respect. My sponsor put no such limitation on the project. Of course, as anyone who replicates anything knows, it's almost impossible to copy something exactly. Therefore, there are innate yet unintentional differences between my components and the originals. Oh, and I didn't try to make mine look like they're 25 years old.

Phil
 
<div class='quotetop'>(philippes @ Sep 8 2006, 01:54 PM) [snapback]1315552[/snapback]</div>
Some of them also don't want to give potential thieves an inventory list of what they own. I can respect that.

Phil
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Speaking as someone who's been cleaned out before, this is one of the best reasons I've read in this whole thread.
 
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If you knew me, you'd know I don't lie. [/b]

OK, I could not resist this one. I wasn't coming back, but damn, Phil is such a tease.

You are not a liar Phil, but you must admit you do enjoy dramatizing simple things. Well, maybe you don't enjoy it, but you do it.

A phone call became wrath, just in this thread for instance. You paint quite a picture of the Blade Runner collectors. A paranoid and judgemental group who are lurking in the shadows, hating us, fearing we will somehow diminish the mystique of thier collections.

:rolleyes

And I just don't agree that you are treated so horribly on these boards. You defend yourself just fine when you need to, quite well in fact, and you never whelch on a deal, this is not in question at all. And niether is your history that keeps getting brought up. Everyone knows that despite your feelings, you will take money from anyone and deliver the best product to them you can, despite any outside stuff.

You've said you don't have any financial stake in the gun, I believe you. Your reputation though, I think you see that as being at stake here. Again, I know it's a fine line you're walking right now between us and them. I can respect what you are trying to do.

I don't know if it's your nature to be as dramatic as you come across on the boards, probably not. But people read into that in different ways, myself included, and some folks see through it. Not me so much. :)

Speaking of, the other thing that really bothered me about the last few pages is Richard side stepping a staff members simple question by saying

"No, I did not ask Karl to post his pictures."

This wasn't the question at all. You know the question. I'm not asking you to address it Rich, I'm just wanting to point out that you are side stepping the question, and it bugs me. Lots.

The whole notion that you think you have any RIGHTS to the blade runner gun beyond your own work is really what gets under my skin. You don't. The fact that someone who owns one of the three hero guns thinks he can ask someone to remove pictures, and that you told them you would, when they are not your pictures, well that just pisses me off. I mean, there are balls, and there are balls.

And until we hear from the owner directly, or the owner contacts someone other than the person admitting he wants to hide the pictures from competitors with more time, who might make it to the market first, I think we should assume you are less than honorable in your CURRENT intentions. Your past, like Phil's, is not in question.

You have all but admitted that you are trying to control the market, and I have to call BS on that. It sucks Rich.

Njc-----------------------

PS- On a related note, Phil's ID does not share the details of the Jacobson ID. He's not lying about that at all, and I do believe his ID accurately represents what's in the film - to the best of his knowledge, and ours.

Has Phil been wrong before? :love




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Speaking as someone who's been cleaned out before, this is one of the best reasons I've read in this whole thread. [/b]

Yeah, I've been cleaned out too, but no one here is asking for a street address. This has nothing to do with the issue at hand IMHO. I don't think anybody is asking for a list.

But if the owner is using it as a reason not to come forward, who can argue that? I mean obvious they are not going to come forward with anything, or make themselves known in any fashion. That would damage THIER Mystique.. :rolleyes

Karl brought up something interesting. Mods, Staff, correct me if I'm wrong, but is the fastest growning thread in RPF history?? :confused
 
Well...here it is. What you've all been waiting for:
Phil's ID (click for large version)
URL removed.

Undoctored HD cap of the BR movie:
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Discuss.
 
<div class='quotetop'>(juno @ Sep 8 2006, 09:50 AM) [snapback]1315589[/snapback]</div>
Well...here it is. What you've all been waiting for:
Phil's ID (click for large version)


Undoctored HD cap of the BR movie:
deckcaphdyc7.jpg


Discuss.
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Holy crap.

Tif dont go near your windows.. I am telling you stay away from the windows.
 
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