Kittlemeier
Sr Member
Also David, did you note the dark brown suede on the outside of the waist stripes of the X2 jacket? I only ask because they're very hard to see in the pictures.
Wolverine X1 & X2 Street Jackets Done! UPDATED 8/7
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Muad'Dib MD2B
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Sorry to be "that guy," David, but I was just wondering when we could expect any updates on the X1 and X2 jackets. I COMPLETELY understand how busy you must be, so I'm not trying to be pushy. I'm just eager to see these babies...
Thanks.
-Chris
Thanks.
-Chris
DAVIDYR1
Official Licensee
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Muad'Dib MD2B @ Mar 24 2007, 11:34 PM) [snapback]1447507[/snapback]</div>
Hey everyone..
Sorry I've been silent..my computer crashed last week. I've got a temporary one now but it took me forever to find my password to log on here. :cry
I will be posting pics of both the jackets in a few days. I made them in Italy, and they're done and on their way to me now. As soon as they get here I'll show them...we'll critique the crapola out of them...then we'll go onto the next phase.
I'm always open to critiques, so dont pull your punches. I still consider them prototypes but from my end I'm saying they're good to go...but I dont have any problems with you guys dissecting them once I post the pics in the event I've missed something. I hope not, but....as a group I think we all work better when it comes to this stuff.
If you guys are then cool with them, then I'll bump up the J/Y post and get the ball rolling officially on them.
David
Hey everyone..
Sorry I've been silent..my computer crashed last week.
I've got a temporary one now but it took me forever to find my password to log on here. :cry I will be posting pics of both the jackets in a few days. I made them in Italy, and they're done and on their way to me now. As soon as they get here I'll show them...we'll critique the crapola out of them...then we'll go onto the next phase.
I'm always open to critiques, so dont pull your punches. I still consider them prototypes but from my end I'm saying they're good to go...but I dont have any problems with you guys dissecting them once I post the pics in the event I've missed something. I hope not, but....as a group I think we all work better when it comes to this stuff.
If you guys are then cool with them, then I'll bump up the J/Y post and get the ball rolling officially on them.
David
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(h8ter18 @ Mar 26 2007, 09:16 PM) [snapback]1448818[/snapback]</div>
I'm just wondering... how come you can't wear your Wested in warm weather? Is it that well insulated to prevent you from wearing it in warmer climate? It's in the 70's here today and I wear around my Vanson with the front zipper unzipped and I'm comfortable.
- J.
I'm just wondering... how come you can't wear your Wested in warm weather? Is it that well insulated to prevent you from wearing it in warmer climate? It's in the 70's here today and I wear around my Vanson with the front zipper unzipped and I'm comfortable.
- J.
it was mid 70's the other day and i was quite warm in the sun, it could have been the long sleeve shirt under the jacket, or the huge difference in climate (going from 30 to75 pretty much overnight) but i was sweating. im not sure there is very much if any insulation in the jacket.
DAVIDYR1
Official Licensee
Hi everyone,
The jackets just arrived. They're beautiful...just beautiful.
I'll be posting pics in just a little bit.
These will be a fine addition to anyone's wardrobe or screen replica collection.
Pics in a bit. I need someone here to take them of me wearing them...X1 and X2.
David
The jackets just arrived. They're beautiful...just beautiful.
I'll be posting pics in just a little bit.
These will be a fine addition to anyone's wardrobe or screen replica collection.
Pics in a bit. I need someone here to take them of me wearing them...X1 and X2.
David
DAVIDYR1
Official Licensee
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(h8ter18 @ Mar 27 2007, 03:56 PM) [snapback]1449392[/snapback]</div>
OK, we just snapped some quick pics. Unfortunately it was already after the sun set so I'll be taking more in the daylight tomorrow.
Some are with camera flash and some without.
The leather is thick, but very pliable. They both feel great. I forgot to note the double stitching on the suede areas of the X2 jacket along the burgundy areas but that's easily added in production. I had it in my notes, but didnt realize I missed it in the pattern work.
X1
X2
X1 Prototype Thoughts:
I think that all around this one is pretty spot on. The length is great..the fit is great..colors are bang on and it just feels great to wear.
X2 Prototype Thoughts:
Same as the X1 however I did neglect to indicate some double stitch lines in the burgundy areas. It is not something that warrants a new prototype but will be implimented in production.
They both feel outstanding...once weathered, and 'if' I decide to rip one of the sleeve stripes off then I think this will be pretty darn close to the jackets seen on screen.
Thoughts?? Feedback??
Let's have it....
David
OK, we just snapped some quick pics. Unfortunately it was already after the sun set so I'll be taking more in the daylight tomorrow.
Some are with camera flash and some without.
The leather is thick, but very pliable. They both feel great. I forgot to note the double stitching on the suede areas of the X2 jacket along the burgundy areas but that's easily added in production. I had it in my notes, but didnt realize I missed it in the pattern work.
X1
X2
X1 Prototype Thoughts:
I think that all around this one is pretty spot on. The length is great..the fit is great..colors are bang on and it just feels great to wear.
X2 Prototype Thoughts:
Same as the X1 however I did neglect to indicate some double stitch lines in the burgundy areas. It is not something that warrants a new prototype but will be implimented in production.
They both feel outstanding...once weathered, and 'if' I decide to rip one of the sleeve stripes off then I think this will be pretty darn close to the jackets seen on screen.
Thoughts?? Feedback??
Let's have it....
David
Knightsaber
Sr Member
IMPRESSIVE...MOST IMPRESSIVE.
Wow, these are really great. I'm not going to desect them quite yet, but I'm sure others will get to it soon enough.
- John
Wow, these are really great. I'm not going to desect them quite yet, but I'm sure others will get to it soon enough.
- John
Muad'Dib MD2B
Well-Known Member
Those are some sweet looking jackets, David. I'm stoked to finally see them done.
The only points I can offer are these:
X1: I didn't realize the leather inside the zippered section of the sleeves was suede. That being the case, I think it would improve the look/durability of that suede section if it had a hem along the edge by the sleeve opening. I know leather doesn't have to have a hem to be secure because it doesn't fray, but I think it would keep it from unnecessarily fraying when people weather their jackets for a more screen accurate look. This may just be my personal preference (for practical purposes), and I have no idea which would be more screen accurate.
X2: I love that someone finally has done this jacket and done it well. There are three details I would mention. One is the rim of brown suede around the torso stripes; it looks a bit wide to me. If it were about half that width, I think it would look perfect (present, but subtle), and more in line with the Bates jacket (I can't see it well enough on the screen caps to compare it). The second detail deals with the suede in the zippered sleeve sections. The gold ridge at the edge of the cuff (the strip along the base of the red triangle) also appears a bit wide when compared to the screen caps I posted and the Bates version. Again, 1/2 to 3/4 that width would be perfect. The third and last detail also deals with the suede in the cuffs. I really do think that having the edge hemmed instead of free-floating would be better. It could easily be incorporated into the double stitching, would provide a thicker edge for durability, and it would look more like the shot of him catching the keys that I posted (post #60 of this thread on the bottom of page 3, the 4th picture).
All of those are really minor details, but I think they'd add to the jackets. These are just my thoughts and others can feel free to disagree, by all means. But really, the jackets look spectacular. The colors of the X2 are spot on, in my opinion. Kudos to you, David.
If anything I said is unclear, I'd be happy to modify one of your pics to clarify it. Let me know.
-Chris
The only points I can offer are these:
X1: I didn't realize the leather inside the zippered section of the sleeves was suede. That being the case, I think it would improve the look/durability of that suede section if it had a hem along the edge by the sleeve opening. I know leather doesn't have to have a hem to be secure because it doesn't fray, but I think it would keep it from unnecessarily fraying when people weather their jackets for a more screen accurate look. This may just be my personal preference (for practical purposes), and I have no idea which would be more screen accurate.
X2: I love that someone finally has done this jacket and done it well. There are three details I would mention. One is the rim of brown suede around the torso stripes; it looks a bit wide to me. If it were about half that width, I think it would look perfect (present, but subtle), and more in line with the Bates jacket (I can't see it well enough on the screen caps to compare it). The second detail deals with the suede in the zippered sleeve sections. The gold ridge at the edge of the cuff (the strip along the base of the red triangle) also appears a bit wide when compared to the screen caps I posted and the Bates version. Again, 1/2 to 3/4 that width would be perfect. The third and last detail also deals with the suede in the cuffs. I really do think that having the edge hemmed instead of free-floating would be better. It could easily be incorporated into the double stitching, would provide a thicker edge for durability, and it would look more like the shot of him catching the keys that I posted (post #60 of this thread on the bottom of page 3, the 4th picture).
All of those are really minor details, but I think they'd add to the jackets. These are just my thoughts and others can feel free to disagree, by all means. But really, the jackets look spectacular. The colors of the X2 are spot on, in my opinion. Kudos to you, David.
If anything I said is unclear, I'd be happy to modify one of your pics to clarify it. Let me know.
-Chris
DAVIDYR1
Official Licensee
Thanks guys...
Please Please Please keep the critiques and suggestions coming. Some suggestions below I may have personally missed earlier on so this is all extremely helpful....and I know it's tedious, but think of how cool you'll look spouting a great looking leather dud like one of these...... :love
LOL.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Muad'Dib MD2B @ Mar 27 2007, 11:48 PM) [snapback]1449729[/snapback]</div>
It's not...it's the exact same leather as the base of the jacket. I'm not sure how you're seeing it as suede. The cuff is flash cut leather so you may be seeing that at the base of the cuff and confusing it with suede but trust me...there's no suede on the X1.
I also dont know how I feel about finishing the cuff area but it's certainly worth some debating and consideration. Thanks man.
Once again, thanks for taking the time to type that out. I dont really disagree with any of your suggestions at all. I'm still not sure if I want to finish the cuff areas as you suggested even on the X1...but, heck...lets talk about it. I truly believe it best to leave that as is...screen accurate blah blah blah but the other points are definately on the money.
A big high five to you my friend.
David
Please Please Please keep the critiques and suggestions coming. Some suggestions below I may have personally missed earlier on so this is all extremely helpful....and I know it's tedious, but think of how cool you'll look spouting a great looking leather dud like one of these...... :love
LOL.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Muad'Dib MD2B @ Mar 27 2007, 11:48 PM) [snapback]1449729[/snapback]</div>
It's not...it's the exact same leather as the base of the jacket. I'm not sure how you're seeing it as suede. The cuff is flash cut leather so you may be seeing that at the base of the cuff and confusing it with suede but trust me...there's no suede on the X1.
I also dont know how I feel about finishing the cuff area but it's certainly worth some debating and consideration. Thanks man.
Once again, thanks for taking the time to type that out. I dont really disagree with any of your suggestions at all. I'm still not sure if I want to finish the cuff areas as you suggested even on the X1...but, heck...lets talk about it. I truly believe it best to leave that as is...screen accurate blah blah blah but the other points are definately on the money.
A big high five to you my friend.
David
Knightsaber
Sr Member
I think he's right about the brown suede being just a tad too wide....take it down about half top and bottom and you got it. As for finishing the cuff...I'd rather not. The leather should hold up pretty well. That's all for now.
- John
- John
The Mantis
Sr Member
First of all....GREAT JOB. What a great thing to wake up to. By far the X1 is the finest replica I have seen. I would NOT finish the inside of the sleeves. Please leave them the way they are. The stripes looks great, both in thickness and color as does the color of the jacket. The coffee is spot on, to me.
My question is about the fit. i like the length of the jacket but does it feel fitted on you? It looks like it is ballooning out a bit BUT this could be that you have put layers underneath it OR the angle to which you took the pick. SO, could you take a pic of the jacket from different angles on a TORSO with the jacket unzippered and ZIPPERED. This will give us a good idea of the fit. I dwell on this because the first Vanson I bought looked like I could stick a pillow in the front when zippered as opposed to the second that fir me like I was born into it....clearly we all want the latter.
My question is about the fit. i like the length of the jacket but does it feel fitted on you? It looks like it is ballooning out a bit BUT this could be that you have put layers underneath it OR the angle to which you took the pick. SO, could you take a pic of the jacket from different angles on a TORSO with the jacket unzippered and ZIPPERED. This will give us a good idea of the fit. I dwell on this because the first Vanson I bought looked like I could stick a pillow in the front when zippered as opposed to the second that fir me like I was born into it....clearly we all want the latter.
DAVIDYR1
Official Licensee
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Mantis @ Mar 28 2007, 05:47 AM) [snapback]1449883[/snapback]</div>
Thanks Dave... Happy to see you're diggin' these so far.
I wont be finishing the inner sleeve area. I've given it some thought, and if the originals were like that then I dont want to modify that 'detail'. Not only, but the leather is thick and strong so I really dont see there being any concerns. I used to make garments like that all the time anyhow. Flash cut ends are really nothing new but the leather does have to be able to withstand wear and tear especially in the wrist area....but we have nothing to worry about.
Yes, after reviewing them closely...both the jackets must be slimmed and taken in somewhat. There is no doubt that there is drag on the back side. The front of both the jackets is correct, lines up everywhere as they should but the back is too wide. It's a simple pinch to the paper patterns, nothing more but that's why we have to make prototypes first. On paper things will look one way, or look like they'll be fine but the reality of a garment with all the body curves and what not 'can' mean we then need to go back and revisit the patterns...which is exactly what I'll do.
The X2 actually has less there than the X1 but just like the suggestion of the brown suede and detail of the burgundy suede...this too must be examined for the run.
On a side note....
I'm only doing ONE run for both the X1 and X2. The X3 I'll do shortly after. Again, ONE run and in all cases I dont want to do large amounts so keep an eye on the J/Y. I will be ready soon.
David
Thanks Dave... Happy to see you're diggin' these so far.
I wont be finishing the inner sleeve area. I've given it some thought, and if the originals were like that then I dont want to modify that 'detail'. Not only, but the leather is thick and strong so I really dont see there being any concerns. I used to make garments like that all the time anyhow. Flash cut ends are really nothing new but the leather does have to be able to withstand wear and tear especially in the wrist area....but we have nothing to worry about.
Yes, after reviewing them closely...both the jackets must be slimmed and taken in somewhat. There is no doubt that there is drag on the back side. The front of both the jackets is correct, lines up everywhere as they should but the back is too wide. It's a simple pinch to the paper patterns, nothing more but that's why we have to make prototypes first. On paper things will look one way, or look like they'll be fine but the reality of a garment with all the body curves and what not 'can' mean we then need to go back and revisit the patterns...which is exactly what I'll do.
The X2 actually has less there than the X1 but just like the suggestion of the brown suede and detail of the burgundy suede...this too must be examined for the run.
On a side note....
I'm only doing ONE run for both the X1 and X2. The X3 I'll do shortly after. Again, ONE run and in all cases I dont want to do large amounts so keep an eye on the J/Y. I will be ready soon.
David
great job on the jackets, all of my concerns have been addressed by others.
what kind of price are we looking at?
i have a wested and they did a great job, but we know what its lacking,if i can sell it and be able to buy yours its a done deal.
also what kind of hide did you use? and do you know the weight of it?
thanks
mike
what kind of price are we looking at?
i have a wested and they did a great job, but we know what its lacking,if i can sell it and be able to buy yours its a done deal.
also what kind of hide did you use? and do you know the weight of it?
thanks
mike
jonnytrooper
Sr Member
h8ter18: around $400, cowhide
Kittlemeier
Sr Member
When they add the lines of stitching to the X2, will they make the raised line that's in the original jacket pics? Also the accent yellow/brown from the X2 should be a mustard color but it looks like British tan in the pics. What color would you call it in person?
They both look great so far.
They both look great so far.
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