what is my next step?

Discussion in 'General Modeling' started by binkleywalker, Nov 23, 2004.

  1. binkleywalker

    binkleywalker Sr Member

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    O.K., i've finished my model. Paint is done and water-slide decals are applied. What do i use to seal it all up? Isn't there a spay of some sort i can use to lock it all in?

    Helpl!

    Thanks in advance,

    Brian
     
  2. bigkidbiggertoys

    bigkidbiggertoys New Member

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  3. Sluis Van Shipyards

    Sluis Van Shipyards Master Member

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    Future will work if you want a gloss finish, but for a flat finish you will need something like Testors Dullcote. It all depends on what type of paint you're using and what finish you want.
     
  4. binkleywalker

    binkleywalker Sr Member

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    Thanks for the advice. That Future article is great!
     
  5. Aegis159

    Aegis159 Sr Member

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    WAIT!! DO NOT dullcoat directly over your decals, you'll run the risk of silvering them!

    This is the order that I apply decals and I've never run into problems since following these steps... I'll try to do a little diagram...

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    The reason for the over-under use of the glosscoat when applying decals is it gives the decal a smooth surface to adhere to compared to a pitted one with a dullcoat. Then with the glosscoat over the decal you're not trying to dull the decal paper finish either which maximizes surface contact. I still use Micro Set and Micro Sol on the decal, plus with the smooth surface underneath the decal because of the glosscoat it sets even better and lessens the possibility of trapping any air under the decal which causes the silvering....
     
  6. slave1pilot

    slave1pilot Sr Member

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    Don't these "coats" yellow over time?
    I have a model that I will be putting the decals on soon & am concerned about this.
    BTW that Future site is great.
    When I was in the ARMY a guy in my Squad used Future to shine his boots.
    That's fine unless it rains ( what are the odds in Lousiana?)
    Then they turn white.
     
  7. slave1pilot

    slave1pilot Sr Member

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    Aegis159 wrote:
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    WAIT!! DO NOT dullcoat directly over your decals, you'll run the risk of silvering them!

    This is the order that I apply decals and I've never run into problems since following these steps... I'll try to do a little diagram...

    [​IMG]

    The reason for the over-under use of the glosscoat when applying decals is it gives the decal a smooth surface to adhere to compared to a pitted one with a dullcoat. Then with the glosscoat over the decal you're not trying to dull the decal paper finish either which maximizes surface contact. I still use Micro Set and Micro Sol on the decal, plus with the smooth surface underneath the decal because of the glosscoat it sets even better and lessens the possibility of trapping any air under the decal which causes the silvering....


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    This was on the Future site;
    "Some modelers even apply decals using Future to set the decal. Wet your decal as usual in water, but before it goes to the model, dip it in future. It works well and does away with the need for Micro-Sol/Set or similar setting agent. The only downside I have noted is that the Future goes tacky quite quickly and can cause a few problems if you are still trying to place/adjust the decal at that time. The upside is that it pretty much ensures no silvering. "
     
  8. Watson

    Watson Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    For a great Dull Coat try mixing Future with Tamiya Flat Base. I used it on my Fine Molds X-Wing.

    JDH

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  9. Lynn TXP 0369

    Lynn TXP 0369 Sr Member

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    slave1pilot wrote:
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    Don't these "coats" yellow over time?
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    Yes, they will, most clear coats are yellow based and will yellow over time.
    It is just the nature of the beast.
    Some Model Master clears are blue based.

    Future will yellow over time as well.

    I have a 15 year old bottle of Future that I still use to this day and it has yellowed, I just don't use it on anything white. [​IMG]

    Lynn
     
  10. Aegis159

    Aegis159 Sr Member

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    For my overcoats I use a fast drying laquer and they don't yellow anywhere as fast as the enamels do, but yes as Lynn said they will in time. There are a couple of things you can do to lessen the yellowing though.

    1. NO DIRECT SUNLIGHT Hehehe I put that one in bold because it's the most important one. Nothing will yellow the finish faster than letting the piece get exposed to the sun for any length of time.

    2. Dust often!! Dust particles will start to imbed themselves in the finish if left unchecked so dust often!!
     
  11. Aegis159

    Aegis159 Sr Member

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    </SPAN><TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
    slave1pilot wrote:
    <HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
    <TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
    Aegis159 wrote:
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    WAIT!! DO NOT dullcoat directly over your decals, you'll run the risk of silvering them!

    This is the order that I apply decals and I've never run into problems since following these steps... I'll try to do a little diagram...

    [​IMG]

    The reason for the over-under use of the glosscoat when applying decals is it gives the decal a smooth surface to adhere to compared to a pitted one with a dullcoat. Then with the glosscoat over the decal you're not trying to dull the decal paper finish either which maximizes surface contact. I still use Micro Set and Micro Sol on the decal, plus with the smooth surface underneath the decal because of the glosscoat it sets even better and lessens the possibility of trapping any air under the decal which causes the silvering....


    </TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

    This was on the Future site;
    "Some modelers even apply decals using Future to set the decal. Wet your decal as usual in water, but before it goes to the model, dip it in future. It works well and does away with the need for Micro-Sol/Set or similar setting agent. The only downside I have noted is that the Future goes tacky quite quickly and can cause a few problems if you are still trying to place/adjust the decal at that time. The upside is that it pretty much ensures no silvering. "

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    Yes the Future will set the decal like Micro Set will... HOWEVER it does NOT make the decal conform to details on the body such as rivets or dip into recessed panel lines like Micro Sol does. Future WILL minimize the chance of silvering drastically, mainly because you're sealing the decal in the Future if you dip it in.
     

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