The only SE add on that I don't mind and actually prefer is the Biggs Luke reunion in the hanger. I wish they would've left it in the original cut. I get why they didn't since the Biggs on Tatooine material was left out too but it still works as it's obvious they're old friends so it adds emotional impact to Biggs dying. Luke saying "Blast it, Biggs where are you?!" and "Just like Beggar's Canyon back home" make a bit more sense as well and when Biggs reassures Red Leader that "Luke's the best bush pilot in the Outer-Rim territories", it reinforces how good of a pilot Luke is and that he's up to the challenge of jumping into an X-wing straight into battle.

I mean of course I would still want a pure theatrical rerelease but for myself I wouldn't mind having a fan edit of just that scene included.

What do you guys think?
 
The only SE add on that I don't mind and actually prefer is the Biggs Luke reunion in the hanger. I wish they would've left it in the original cut. I get why they didn't since the Biggs on Tatooine material was left out too but it still works as it's obvious they're old friends so it adds emotional impact to Biggs dying. Luke saying "Blast it, Biggs where are you?!" and "Just like Beggar's Canyon back home" make a bit more sense as well and when Biggs reassures Red Leader that "Luke's the best bush pilot in the Outer-Rim territories", it reinforces how good of a pilot Luke is and that he's up to the challenge of jumping into an X-wing straight into battle.

I mean of course I would still want a pure theatrical rerelease but for myself I wouldn't mind having a fan edit of just that scene included.

What do you guys think?

I agree, that was cool.
 
I always loved that short scene too and while I agree with the Anchor Head omissions (though I really enjoyed them from a character development POV) I really did love seeing Biggs run into Luke at the hanger bay right before the space battle. Great character moment!
 
I too have always been a fanboy of the Biggs scenes, but understand why they were left on the cutting room floor. Probably has something to do with reading the Marvel Comics adaptation thousands of times as a kid.

In my own personal cannon headspace, there is an edit with that restored footage in there :)
 
I was merely pointing out that given multiple iterations of the "theatrical version", a definitive version may be hard to pin down. Not everyone saw the same version in 1977.

The best course, I think, would be the THX home video issue as the template or jumping off point. And a discrete "remixed for 7.2 surround" soundtrack would be a bonus feature, not the default. If we're being true to the original, anyway.
I agree with you on the THX but most of the pre-1997 changes were audio-related. It's really not a problem these days to include multiple audio tracks on a blu-ray. And the plus is that unlike the inserted and modified scenes autio tracks are selectable. :)
 
Back then I saw the print with "Close the blast doors!"... heroes run though just barely, and then "Open the blast doors!". That got a laugh from the audience, which to me made it a significant event, and it showed the troopers were getting all run around by them. But I understand not all prints had the "Open the blast doors!" line. So even back then there were different versions.
 
As if there was any doubt that it isn't Star Wars anymore, you would think that would drive it home.

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I agree with you on the THX but most of the pre-1997 changes were audio-related. It's really not a problem these days to include multiple audio tracks on a blu-ray. And the plus is that unlike the inserted and modified scenes autio tracks are selectable. :)

With seamless branching, theoretically you could watch any version you want, with any combination of audio and visual content.
 
I don't understand it even from a business sense. If you can make money releasing both then why not? Release the SE version and a properly restored theatrical cut. Directors and studios do it all the time. I bet it's just a way for him to exert some sort of control over his creation and nothing more.

Plus the idea that the SE is his "original vision" is utter nonsense. Which of the multiple SE versions is his "original vision." By default they can't all be the original idea. I'd be happy if he just admitted that he just kept changing his mind. Thats the real reason he kept tweaking it. I mean the guy altered it in 2011 with the Blu-ray release the year before he sold off his entire company.

As much as i'd like the OOT released properly, i think people seriously over estimate how much money it'd bring in. It's a small group of people that interested in it.

I agree that it's a much smaller subset that actually cares about the differences...but so what? Blade Runner is a complete niche film, and the last release had five versions of the film included, with a workprint version. I think the real question is one of just making money. Towards that end, you'd have to find a price point for the set that would get people to buy it and offset the expense of producing it.

As I've said for a while, I think the best chance the film has at being released in an OOT version will be when they want to do a 4K release. They'll have to rescan things anyway, and the material they've been working off of since 1997 is all 1080p source material, I believe. Maybe 2K max.

Okay, WHICH theatrical version do you want? There's the 70mm print version. Then there's the two 35mm versions, with either a Dolby Stereo or mono audio mix. They're all different. Everyone acts like there's a definitive version of the original theatrical release version of the films (particularly ANH), which just isn't true. The closest we can get would be the THX version prior to the Special Editions. That "version" released in 4k might be close in terms of narrative structure, but modern audio standards would once again invalidate it's true accuracy.

I'll be happy with the version that ran on PRISM in the 1980s, or the one from the CBS/FOX VHS release. :p

In seriousness, though, I don't actually care a ton about which audio versions they do as long as (1) the "magnum" sounds for the blasters are removed, and (2) Luke doesn't do that YEEEAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH scream when he falls down the shafe on Cloud City.

Back then I saw the print with "Close the blast doors!"... heroes run though just barely, and then "Open the blast doors!". That got a laugh from the audience, which to me made it a significant event, and it showed the troopers were getting all run around by them. But I understand not all prints had the "Open the blast doors!" line. So even back then there were different versions.

Yeah, growing up, I never saw the "Close the blast doors!" bit. I originally thought that was added to the SEs. Didn't realize it came from one of the earlier audio tracks.
 
Wasn't those lines from the mono track? All those were included here in Denmark, so I grew up with them and I thought they were funny. Also liked the C-3PO voiced explanation on how to shut down the tractor beam, but always thought it came from the computer itself and not threepio, as the voice was slightly different in pitch. I thought it made sense that all robots sounded like threepio back then. :)
 
I agree that it's a much smaller subset that actually cares about the differences...but so what? Blade Runner is a complete niche film, and the last release had five versions of the film included, with a workprint version. I think the real question is one of just making money. Towards that end, you'd have to find a price point for the set that would get people to buy it and offset the expense of producing it.

As I've said for a while, I think the best chance the film has at being released in an OOT version will be when they want to do a 4K release. They'll have to rescan things anyway, and the material they've been working off of since 1997 is all 1080p source material, I believe. Maybe 2K max.



I'll be happy with the version that ran on PRISM in the 1980s, or the one from the CBS/FOX VHS release. :p

In seriousness, though, I don't actually care a ton about which audio versions they do as long as (1) the "magnum" sounds for the blasters are removed, and (2) Luke doesn't do that YEEEAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH scream when he falls down the shafe on Cloud City.



Yeah, growing up, I never saw the "Close the blast doors!" bit. I originally thought that was added to the SEs. Didn't realize it came from one of the earlier audio tracks.

The Blade Runner Final Cut release is a near ideal template for what they should do. A big box set with the different cuts that have been released. Leave it to the fans to decide which release they prefer.
 
I have the laserdisc tranfsers on DVD from 2006. If I could get a cleaned up bluray of those or 4K version I'd be very happy indeed.
Which version is that? Are you talking about the OOT bonus discs that were included with the initial '04 DVD release? Frankly, those are dreadful. A better (and more accessible) laserdisc transfer would be the ILM Definitive (HA!) Collection set from 1993. The best would be the Japanese-release "Special Collection" laserdiscs from 1986. Here's a comparison between the two -- JSC top, DC bottom.
 
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I'm not sure what the source for the 2006 laser disc scans were. They came as bonus discs with the SE versions.
 
Those discs suck. They were only released to combat the then-common problem of ebay piracy, I suspect.

They basically took a slightly higher-res version of the letterboxed VHS tapes, and stuck them on DVDs. They're virtually impossible to watch on a modern display, unless you enjoy viewing either incredibly blurry, too-zoomed-in images, or using your lovely widescreen TV to watch a postage stamp and its surrounding borders.
 
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