The Wolverine (Post-release)

The movie we pretty meh... but I did like the tone of it much more than Origins.

One thing bothered me (moreso than most of the other things)... Didn't Viper spit on Harada's face while they were talking in the alley? I could have sworn that he was wincing in pain from his face getting burnt, but then the acid was suddenly gone and he was all pretty again IN THAT SAME SCENE.
 
The movie we pretty meh... but I did like the tone of it much more than Origins.

One thing bothered me (moreso than most of the other things)... Didn't Viper spit on Harada's face while they were talking in the alley? I could have sworn that he was wincing in pain from his face getting burnt, but then the acid was suddenly gone and he was all pretty again IN THAT SAME SCENE.

She like healed it or something after that, she was supposed to be threatening him rather than actually causing injury.


Watched the movie a few days ago with some friends. I really thought it was just meh. Loved Jackman like always, but there was just too much that bothered me, too much that I feel like we were expected to just write-off. Personally I thought the fight scenes were boring and didn't have much "emotion" to the choreography and most of the movie was incredibly predictable to a point. Other than that, most of my issues have been addressed in this thread already, but I am one of the few who didn't totally hate Origins, didn't especially like it, but it had its moments. I honestly wouldn't rank this much above Origins in essence, just not my cup of tea.
 
Personally I thought the fight scenes were boring and didn't have much "emotion" to the choreography

I actually liked his style of fighting in this one. It was a nice change from his usual 'yelling chest stabs'. Granted, it was nothing spectacular, but a nice change indeed.

My wife mentioned that she was getting a headache from the fight scenes, so maybe the shaky cameras were masking the fights to look better than they really were.
 
Jackman still has the goods but the script was bleh. You also could have cut 20 minutes out of it. Disappointing.
 
Didn't wanna post until I watched it twice. The first time I watched was last week, (just straight went & watched without watching the others first.) And about a month ago I watched the Anime episodes to get a feel on the plot. 90% is there. I personally liked the movie, yea the plot was just a huge setup for Yashida to live forever, but it was a good entertaining action movie to watch. I wanted a more violent, straight Bane-style fighting while Wolvie was in berserker rage. I didn't dissect every detail the first time around I just enjoyed it & was happy it had finally arrived. Its THE WOLVERINE! I don't get tired of this character, if I could, i'd play him next LOL

The second time around, I rewatched all the X-Men films in order, Origins, FC, 1 2 & 3. Two movies a day, having X3 on the day of seeing The Wolverine.

So... the Adamantium Suit. The Minister of Justice states something like "He was obsessed with you, stockpiling Adamantium nearing bankruptcy" So the alloy seems to be known. Jean knew about it after looking at Logan's x-rays in X1, so it has to be at least known in some parts of the world. Stryker says in X2 "if u manage to make it in its raw liquid form" it sounds like Stryker makes his own supply, from what I remember its comprised of 3 metals making 1 super strong metal. So Yashida could probably find a ready supply, given he owns the biggest richest company in Japan. Having Stryker say "once it cools, its indestructible" but it is metal, so it probably does have a melting point, the problem is finding the right temperature and depending on how thick it is to cut through. Silver Samurai has extra thick, heated swords making it possible to cut through Logan's 1/4 inch thick claws, I get that. But Harada was stabbed with the heated sword, lifted up, and somehow wasn't split up the middle? And how Logan rips through the suit, just like how some chairs aren't bendable, but the joins and bolts are. Find the joins and its probably able to be taken apart. The big question "HOW DOES LOGAN GET HIS CLAWS BACK?" Well, there IS a 9 foot supply shaped as a Silver Samurai at the bottom of the mountain. Grab Magneto, "Hey bub, gimme my claws back" In X2, Mags does say "Stryker is the only other person I know who can manipulate Adamantium" the other being Mags himself. He did stretch Logan's skeleton & pulled his claws out an extra few inches in X1, so we know he can do stuff with it. And as he said, Stryker was the only one... that he knew of.

Harada "aka Silver Samurai" I was hoping that he actually was in the suit. He kept saying he didn't want Mariko with Logan, too bad he was just a hopping, pretty boy archer.
Viper. Viper? A scientist who spits and sheds! Her one crucial part was suppressing Logan's healing factor, after that she coulda died for all I care.
Shingen. A corrupt dude wanting his dad's company. I thought he woulda put up a better fight, too bad we seen 95% of his fight with Logan in the previews.

Logan's character development was good. I like to see him move on from being broken from a forgotten past and losing Jean. Oh, his memory loss. In X2 he touches things or sees things & gets segments of memories. The well/pit gave him a flashback & nothing more than a few quick seconds. Yukio filled him in on stuff & he put it together when he was there. He did not remember his whole life, just what Yashida and Yukio told him and the flashback. That's why when he says "Yeah look, nice seein ya again & sorry ya got sick" he doesn't really mean it, he barely looked the guy in the eyes. All he knew at that point was "this is some guy I once saved and I guess I'll see him off really quick."

My only negatives here are some of the characters needed more "purpose" and it needed more bloody action. Sure there's the train, the SS fight, and Yakuza at the funeral... buuut it wasn't enough to say "now THIS is how The Wolverine fights!" I'm still hoping for a more adult oriented, R Rated version. Hopefully. The DoFP scene was pretty sweet, Logan travels back to a time before he gets the Adamantium claws, so for at least half of the DoFP he'll have bone claws/skeleton anyway. I can say that I will see it again. I've got some friends who want to see it with me so yep! Once its out on bluRay I'll be watching all the movies waiting for DOFP!
 
Disclaimer: I'm a comics guy and I always go into these movies being very cynical.

Saw it the other day and all I can say is ugh. I wasn't going to be too critical about Harada acting all ninja on rooftops (since in the MCU, he is the original Silver Samurai). I even kind of enjoyed the bullet train scene. It wasn't until Mariko said her and Harada were once a couple. For those who unaware, in the comics, Mariko and Harada are brother and sister. After that, all I could do is roll my eyes and nitpick everything from that point on. Everytime I saw Viper, all I could think of was how massive her forehead is, and there is no way she could have suppressed Logan's healing factor. It should have been the other way around and his healing factor should have suppressed any poison or Matrix bug she put inside him. I won't even go into her molting scene....

And I know katanas are supposed to be super strong and durable but adamantium claws should slice through them easily.

And then there's the "Silver Samurai". A ****ing mech suit?! I would have at least had Harada in it. You know, the guy who is actually supposed to be the Silver Samurai and not a freaking ninja.

There's more but I'll end it with saying the people in charge completely butchered the masterpiece that Frank Miller and Chris Claremont did in which this movie is supposed to be based on.

Having Stryker say "once it cools, its indestructible" but it is metal, so it probably does have a melting point, the problem is finding the right temperature and depending on how thick it is to cut through. Silver Samurai has extra thick, heated swords making it possible to cut through Logan's 1/4 inch thick claws, I get that.

And here's where my comic fanboy comes out. The Ultimate Universe adamantium can be broken (we're talking Hulk strength here) but in the original universe, once it's molded and hardened, nothing can destroy it. No melting, breaking, bending, denting. Nothing. It can be ripped off whatever it's bonded to, for example, a bone skeleton, by someone with extreme magnetic powers. But, it will still retain it's shape. If you've read the original Secret Wars mini series, the Human Torch went full super nova right in Ultron's face. Ultron's outer shell is adamantium and no damage was done whatsover. He only malfunctioned because something in his interior that wasn't adamantium, overheated or melted.
 
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Disclaimer: I'm a comics guy and I always go into these movies being very cynical.

Saw it the other day and all I can say is ugh. I wasn't going to be too critical about Harada acting all ninja on rooftops (since in the MCU, he is the original Silver Samurai). I even kind of enjoyed the bullet train scene. It wasn't until Mariko said her and Harada were once a couple. For those who unaware, in the comics, Mariko and Harada are brother and sister. After that, all I could do is roll my eyes and nitpick everything from that point on. Everytime I saw Viper, all I could think of was how massive her forehead is, and there is no way she could have suppressed Logan's healing factor. It should have been the other way around and his healing factor should have suppressed any poison or Matrix bug she put inside him. I won't even go into her molting scene....

And I know katanas are supposed to be super strong and durable but adamantium claws should slice through them easily.

And then there's the "Silver Samurai". A ****ing mech suit?! I would have at least had Harada in it. You know, the guy who is actually supposed to be the Silver Samurai and not a freaking ninja.

There's more but I'll end it with saying the people in charge completely butchered the masterpiece that Frank Miller and Chris Claremont did in which this movie is supposed to be based on.



And here's where my comic fanboy comes out. The Ultimate Universe adamantium can be broken (we're talking Hulk strength here) but in the original universe, once it's molded and hardened, nothing can destroy it. No melting, breaking, bending, denting. Nothing. It can be ripped off whatever it's bonded to, for example, a bone skeleton, by someone with extreme magnetic powers. But, it will still retain it's shape. If you've read the original Secret Wars mini series, the Human Torch went full super nova right in Ultron's face. Ultron's outer shell is adamantium and no damage was done whatsover. He only malfunctioned because something in his interior that wasn't adamantium, overheated or melted.

Hulk strength? What? If you're referring to when Wolvie was ripped in half, you're wrong. The metal doesn't cover joints, hence why he could be ripped in half unlesss you are talking about something else...Also, his adamantium was vaporized in that Ultimatum story.
 
Hulk strength? What? If you're referring to when Wolvie was ripped in half, you're wrong. The metal doesn't cover joints, hence why he could be ripped in half unlesss you are talking about something else...Also, his adamantium was vaporized in that Ultimatum story.

Which reaffirms that Ultimate Universe adamantium can be broken/damaged/destroyed unlike in the 616 universe. And I never mentioned Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk. Ultimate Universe adamantium (the alloy itself) is very strong but can be broken or damaged. Forgot which issue in The Ultimates when Hulk breaks an adamantium needle. And in Ultimate X-Men, stuff made of it is damaged and if memory serves me, Sabreclaw had one of his claws broken.

Still doesn't take away my opinion of the movie being horse crud.
 
I was under the impression that adamantium was like an epoxy. Mixing and keeping the ingredients hot keeps them pliable, but when it cools it cures into the final product.

I never understood how hot adamantium could cut through cold adamantium. I would think the hotter piece would bend and snap upon impact with a cooler piece.
 
Nothing. It can be ripped off whatever it's bonded to, for example, a bone skeleton, by someone with extreme magnetic powers. But, it will still retain it's shape.
you sure about that?

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So we're up over 300 mill and climbing...I wouldn't mind another solo sequel depending upon what happens in DOFP. Maybe something on the lines of concluding the rivalry between him and sabretooth with omega red in it.
 
seen it today at midnight premiere.
i thought it was bad. way better than the first wolverine movie, but still bad

everything was flat, the story was predictable, and the bad guys were the worst ive seen in any movie ever.

rest will be in spoiler tags
srsly, viper and silver samurai. viper does nothing all movie long except poison some random guys. and then she gets dropped off a floor in a glass japanese building that is apparently only floors to drop people down off, and no function. and then she is all scaly, cuts herself and tears off her skin (you know, supposed to be a snake), and all that changes is that she now is bald. thats about it.
silver samura is a ****ing suit made of adamantium that can cut adamantium. he cuts wolverines claws off. and at the end of the battle, wolverine apparently doesnt care its adamantium, and just tears pieces off the suit. with his bare hands. also he now has only bone claws.
srsly, the story was so bad, i cant even begin to start. nothing really interesting, not even the fight scenes.
i wouldnt watch it in cinemas, its fine for rental, but even for me, who got a free ticket, i thought o well i couldve spent that time better

the best thing was the after credits scene, which was a lot better than the rest of the movie
Eyeof Sauron,
I totally agree with your assessment! The Wolverine was better than X-Men Origins: Wolverine, but that's a low bar to limbo under. :thumbsdown

My biggest problem is that I was simply BORED during long stretches of the movie. :cry

I'm not familiar with all of Wolverine's comic storylines and still suspected "shenanigans" in the climactic battle with Silver Samurai. :unsure

More than anything, this film had me wishing Disney could "Force Quit" Fox's Marvel license. They don't understand, respect, or do justice to these characters. :angry

Fox has NEVER made a truly great Marvel movie. Looking at the X-Men movies alone:

The Good - X2, X1C
The Bad - X1, TW
The Ugly - X3, XMOW

At least Sony "gets" Spider-Man, but Twentieth Century Fox is a lost cause. And if Brian Singer is the biggest gun in their arsenal, they're totally frakked. :facepalm

That's my $.02
Thom
 
Eyeof Sauron,
I totally agree with your assessment! The Wolverine was better than X-Men Origins: Wolverine, but that's a low bar to limbo under. :thumbsdown

My biggest problem is that I was simply BORED during long stretches of the movie. :cry

I'm not familiar with all of Wolverine's comic storylines and still suspected "shenanigans" in the climactic battle with Silver Samurai. :unsure

More than anything, this film had me wishing Disney could "Force Quit" Fox's Marvel license. They don't understand, respect, or do justice to these characters. :angry

Fox has NEVER made a truly great Marvel movie. Looking at the X-Men movies alone:

The Good - X2, X1C
The Bad - X1, TW
The Ugly - X3, XMOW

At least Sony "gets" Spider-Man, but Twentieth Century Fox is a lost cause. And if Brian Singer is the biggest gun in their arsenal, they're totally frakked. :facepalm

That's my $.02
Thom

Respectfully, it doesn't matter what you think. Fanboys on here account for only 1% of the general audience. Looking at movie theaters, there's still a demand for X-Men, people love it regardless. And to be honest it's Disney...You will NEVER get a better Wolverine movie from them in the aspect of it being bloody...Never.
 
I loved the movie, it was extremely entertaining. My only knit pick was a very small one. In one of the scenes of him dreaming, they played audio of Kayla. His dead and forgetten lover from Origins. Who was erased from his memory after being shot in the head. OOPS!

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A little predictable at times but hey it was enjoyable. I did not go in expecting anything in particular and came out pleased. Not a hack and slash action flick, so I guess some have found it boring. I would say if you can go see it with out a chip on your shoulder or a preconceived idea of what you want it to be you will like it.
 
Respectfully, it doesn't matter what you think. Fanboys on here account for only 1% of the general audience. Looking at movie theaters, there's still a demand for X-Men, people love it regardless. And to be honest it's Disney...You will NEVER get a better Wolverine movie from them in the aspect of it being bloody...Never.
comonbub,
It may not matter what we fanboys think, but here's the worldwide box office from Fox's six X-films:

X-Men $296.3 million
X2 $407.7 million
X3 $459.3 million
XMOW $373.0 million
XMFC $353.6 million
TW $306.7 million so far
(source: Box Office Mojo)

Bottom line: Fox's Marvel films are nowhere near as profitable as the MCU films or Sony's Spider-Man franchise.
Thom
 
True. But it's still making fox money. And as long as marvel doesn't try to force the rights back, they will continue to ruin the x men with their crap. The only good things out of the whole thing? A. We got to see the xmen on the big screen b. it gave us Hugh jackman as wolverine and opened our eyes to a hell of an actor and c., without that first xmen movie, a lot of the current marvel movies, if not all, would possibly never have been made ( they saw the superhero genre could be extremely profitable if done properly, which marvel obviously got)
 
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