The Wolverine (Post-release)

I know Under the Dome bummed you out too. Haha. I think most people will forget this movie by Christmas.

Oh man... I guess I should have known. Stephen King movies/shows are almost always train wreck, so I guess I can't be too surprised, but I really LOVE that story and even though I wouldn't have minded it being changed a bit to keep it interesting (think The Walking Dead) what we are seeing is just so low quality on so many levels... I am just being a negative-nelly again aren't I?
 
Prometheus was amazing? I must have seen a different Prometheus. :lol Can't disagree with much else you said about this one though, Art. Predictable with scenes and characters who stick out like a sore thumb. Haven't been disappointed like this at an entire crop of summer movies before.
 
Prometheus was amazing? I must have seen a different Prometheus. :lol Can't disagree with much else you said about this one though, Art. Predictable with scenes and characters who stick out like a sore thumb. Haven't been disappointed like this at an entire crop of summer movies before.

You didn't at least like Dave the robot? :D
 
Haven't been disappointed like this at an entire crop of summer movies before.

Amen Brother. I went into this year thinking it was going to be awesome....IM3, Lone Ranger, Wolverine.....and the only ones that I really enjoyed were Star Trek and Pacific Rim. Here's to hoping Thor 2 can pick up some slack for the rest of them.
 
Saw it, and didn't much care for it.

Jackman makes an awesome wolverine, but holy crap the scripts he gets stuck with SSSSUUUUCCCCKKKKK.

I guess my main problems are basically :
Adamantium being cut (or damaged at all). Even dumber than the "magic bullet" they used at the end of origins.
Somehow a GIANT ROBOT SUIT can be built out of something that they used all they could to make Wolverine. (Tiny little meteor)
Wolverine in the comics? Badass fighter guy. Wolverine in the movies? Gets his ass kicked by EVERYONE until he's in stabbing range, then it's a 50/50 shot if he's gonna get kicked more, or if he's gonna stab.
EXTREMELY predictable (which, yes I understand it's a movie for teens and kids and they aren't exactly deep thinkers, but still, paint by numbers)
BONE CLAWS OUTTA NOWHERE!
That scene with the ninjas pakouring around the village while firing arrows with wires attached for pretty much no reason. No one thought to TASER the guy with the metal skeleton?!?!?
Porcupine Wolverine was hilarious.

Just... a big case of IT COULDA BEEN BETTER IF.

Chris
 
Prior to its release, I had expressed my concerns for this movie to coworkers—about how the future of the Bryan Singer X-Men storyline might hinge on the success of this one. And now, although I still didn't get 100% of it due to walking out of the auditorium at the beginning, I did get to watch it through to the end afterwards, and I will say that I found the film's overall tone to be more appreciable than Origins. I felt it projected a more serious and dramatic atmosphere. Likewise, I appreciated the plot structure, as I gave acknowledgment for its clever alterations from the comic book to accommodate both continuity and realism. Having said that, I was mildly frustrated by the pace at which the action progressed during the middle of the film, namely Logan's interaction with Mariko and the mutant lizard girl's interaction with the other hosts in their plot to steal Logan's power. It just felt like it dragged a bit longer than necessary. Nevertheless, I appreciate the plot for what it's worth because the events are relevant and they all serve their purpose in providing the transition to the future of the X-Men. Needless to say, my feedback may become more positive once I get watch it again in its entirety.

Meanwhile, the thing I find most distasteful—yet simultaneously desirable—is the return of Xavier and Magneto. I find it distasteful because the things which we were led to think were impossible are totally reversed: Xavier's body was dissolved by the Phoenix (or should I say Dark Phoenix) with his consciousness later settling in another body, and Magneto's power permanently neutralized by the "cure." But of course I found it desirable because I—like everyone else—want to see them included in future works. Basically, I perceived it as their desperate attempt to undo the way X3 ended, which I don't think anyone can really blame them for. I guess Magneto's return could be explained by revealing the cure to actually be of a temporary effect, and Xavier's return... well, there's nothing I can come up with on this one! Whatever they come up with better be good, because anything less will be completely nonsensical.

Anyhow, the X-Men have always been my strongest Marvel interest, and I've come to admire Wolverine's character more and more as time passed by, and I hope this won't be the last movie featuring him as the main character because Jackman is an excellent cast for the role and deserves to be exploited to his full potential. Overall, The Wolverine competently paves the road for the future of the franchise while introducing a change of cinematic tone from the Singer trilogy, which a great thing.
 
X3 already showed that the cure on magneto was temporary.

and for Prof. X a deleted scene or comething says the body he transferred into was that of his twin bro. take it as you want.
 
X3 already showed that the cure on magneto was temporary.

and for Prof. X a deleted scene or comething says the body he transferred into was that of his twin bro. take it as you want.

It was the end credits scene and it was NOT his twin brother, but a man who was born without higher brain function, but who happened to look just like Charles and had, inexplicably, been kept alive since infancy despite having no higher brain function (he's first introduced in the film during Prof X's lecture on, Ironically, the ethics of using one's powers to control others).
 
X3 already showed that the cure on magneto was temporary.

and for Prof. X a deleted scene or comething says the body he transferred into was that of his twin bro. take it as you want.

To me, the brief depiction of Magneto being able to weakly push a metal chess piece doesn't automatically equate to the cure as being temporary, since that would require that the anti-mutation serum necessarily extinguishes a mutant's ability permanently as a prerequisite, which was never shown; only that it will "suppress" the mutant X gene "permanently," which is a premise that the remaining plot of the film fully revolves around. So an official explanation of its effects actually being temporary is not only still legitimate, but would serve the additional embellishment of further enhancing mutation after exposure in a similar fashion to what McCoy injected himself with in First Class. This would explain Xavier freezing people much quicker and the unprecedented display of Megneto's magnetism powers to the extent of needlessly influencing all ferromagnetic elements in his vicinity.

Concerning the deleted scene, I obviously haven't come across it, but even at the moment I saw that little bonus clip at the end of The Wolverine, I almost instinctively excluded any bogus explanation such as that, since the Xavier we see in that wheelchair is clearly meant to be a revival of the same person as before. I mean, so far as I know, Xavier's paralysis was of a physical manifestation without any bearing on his psychic ability, and hence would not have been transferred with him into the new host. But seeing the demeanor of your input, I would I be correct in assuming you either agree or endorse this explanation? If so, do you also mean to support the idea that he either took his spinal paralysis with him into his twin brother's body or that his twin brother was coincidently born with the paralysis that he later was inflicted with?
 
here is the explanation for the "new" xavier as it were.

In an after-credits scene, Xavier speaks to Moira McTaggert through the body of a comatose man, implying that his consciousness survived by transferring itself into the body (An action that Xavier had discussed at the beginning of the film as part of an ethics class, the question being if it would be ethically right for a mutant like himself to attempt such a transference, noting that the man in question was virtually brain-dead).

On the DVD Commentary, it is revealed that the body on Muir Island was a "P. Xavier". One of the writers noted that this is an original twin brother, written for the scene, who was born braindead (due to Professor X's amount of power). This brother can apparently walk. This is an example of a comic book death; this scene was not in the script but was secretly added during filming.


as for this:
If so, do you also mean to support the idea that he either took his spinal paralysis with him into his twin brother's body or that his twin brother was coincidently born with the paralysis that he later was inflicted with?

what I think will be the case it that perhaps xavier "prefers" the chair after having spent so much time in it or possibly the "brothers" muscles have atrophied from no usage for so long and there fore xavier is limited to the chair for the time being. Or it was done in the wolverine as a way to show to logan that he is the same person and not a clone or something like that. Theres been set photos of filming xavier walking in the future for dofp so he probably can walk in the future.
 
So apparently this was just posted over on SHH.

Bryan Singer Reveals New Details About X-Men: Days of Future Past | Superhero Hype

The most interesting thing about Singer's discussion was in his pseudo-reveal regarding Charles Xavier's return. Having said he was disappointed he couldn't bring Cyclops back for the film, he revealed that he could justify the return of Xavier because "he transferred his consciousness and could possibly construct a body around that consciousness." Xavier's return was teased at the end of X-Men: The Last Stand and now makes a little bit more sense after Singer laid out those details

So no cyclops for the movie and Xavier uses his mind to build his boddy i guess. Well there you have it.
 
I figured that with the time travel stuff, maybe the Xavier from the end credits was from a different point in time/timeline, somehow learned about what happened in X3, and then went forward/to the X3 timeline to find Logan and work with Magneto. Now how that would fit in with the overall story, I don't know. 'Growing a body with his mind' seems like a write off just to get him back in the story.

Even with the twin brother idea, he would be able to walk. Unless his mind is stopping him from walking, which seems silly to me. Although I do remember and episode of Sherlock Holmes where he told the doctor that he was only limping because his mind was telling him to due to PTSD. There was nothing actually wrong with his leg. So maybe that's the route they will take. But it's Xavier. I doubt he would let that fly inside his own mind.
 
Ok, you guys need to watch X3 all over agian to understand this one, this includes the deleted scenes. At the end, it showed mags was able to move a metal chess piece which meant the cure wasn't a cure...Then it showed Xavier and that chick from First Class...He hopped into another body. And another deleted scene showed Logan returning to Canada. It fits the continuity great.
 
he means Xavier and Moira, not the same actress from first class, and its the same stuff we've been talking about. The braindead guy.
 
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