The Official Boycott Star Wars Bluray thread

[Clutch]

The AT-ST was like an easter egg in the movie. Now there's chickens loose all over the place. One thing though, after studying this footage, I never noticed the little pistons in the sides of the AT-AT legs! :lol

 

[Jeyl]

The AT-ST was like an easter egg in the movie.

The AT-STs in the original felt more like an incomplete inclusion rather than an easter egg. After all, with all that work being put into the battle back in the day, it's not hard to see why they focused mainly on the big walkers and scrap whatever AT-ST effect shots they had planned.

I'm glad they're included here in a meaningful but non-intrusive way. You might even say that an AT-ST was responsible for killing Dack since Luke passes one the moment after their speeder gets hit.

 

[Laspector]

Is there a Youtube link to this new clip? I can't see this one here at my work?

 

[Zenwalker]

This. The Adywan stuff is a nice little curio, the same way Lucas' various iterations of the SEs are.

I want the originals. Cleaned up and restored, but the originals nonetheless. You want to clean off screen grit, fine. You want to adjust the color timing so it doesn't look like Pee Wee's Playhouse (I'm looking at YOU, 2004 editions...), fine and dandy. I'm ok with removing matte lines, although even that I could go either way on, because it's a showcase of what was capable in 1977, which I suppose applies to any of the various effects "clean-up" work.

What I really want is a restored, high-resolution transfer of the films in the version with which I grew up. I don't need extra this or that.

I definitely would also like to see the OT released on Blu-Ray, cleaned up a bit and colour corrected properly with nothing else added.

But this ESB:R version is just a bit of fun, and just an another way to look at the film.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I just read that and laughed out loud. Sorry, but it's not "just another fan edit" as it's leaps and bounds above any other fan edit I've ever seen and it is 1000x more enjoyable than the SE as well.

I'll just restate my point: just another fan-edit. Sorry, but that's all it'll ever be.

 

[Solo4114]

Which, at this point, is really all we're getting anyway. Lucas' latest fan edit.

 

[Jeyl]

I'll just restate my point: just another fan-edit. Sorry, but that's all it'll ever be.

And the RPF is just another internet forum where people believe being prejudice is a good form of character. If fan edits aren't your thing and you would rather stick with the official alterations or the original edits, that's fine. We'll understand that. But when you write it off as "just another fan-edit", your dismissing something at face value. That's a form of prejudice. I don't look at fan edits as some form of self-indulging complaint to the film. I look at it as an artist working with material to fit a vision they have that they honestly believe would make the film work better as a result. While some edits can certainly be criticized as amateurish, that by no means should label all fan edits as amateurish.

I actually LEARNED something about general film editing when I watched the Phantom Edit. There are some edits that you wouldn't even think would make a product better until you see them. Take this one scene.

Droid: Halt.
Qui-Gon: I'm ambassador to the supreme chancellor. I'm taking these people to coruscant.
Droid: Where are you taking them?
Qui-Gon: To Coruscant.
Droid: Uh, Coruscant. That doesn't compute. Uh, wait. Uh. You're under arrest!
*Qui-Gon slices Droid*

The fan edit...

Droid: Halt.
Qui-Gon: I'm ambassador to the supreme chancellor. I'm taking these people to coruscant.
Droid: Where are you taking the-
*Qui-Gon slices Droid*

A simple edit to get rid of a bad humorous moment? Sure, but it certainly gives more of an urgency to Qui-Gon's character that better fits the situation he's in. He's trying to help the queen escape a planet that's occupied by a droid army and all the droids are going soon discover what he's up to. When Qui-Gon's method of handling the droids peacefully doesn't work, Qui-Gon not only tries again, he lets the Droid figure everything out to the point where it realizes he's being duped. So not only when you cut this out do you get rid of bad humor, we actually make Qui-Gon look more competent and determined. A great example of less is more.

 

[TK9120]

You know someone is doing a good job when the changes are barely noticeable. Few things you should note in this clip.

- Color timing. The film is a LOT LESS blue looking.
- New Imperial walker approach, including an entirely redone binocular view.
- The rebel officer who says "Echo Station, 3TA. We've spotted Imperial Walkers." has had his mouth adjusted to look like he's actually saying those words, and is given a few extra frames to finish his line.
- During the shot of the Snow Speeders taking off, large red markings on the front and side of the speeders have been added.
- The only seen once "red glow" from the lead AT-AT's cockpit has been re-colored to match subsequent shots.
- New reveal shot of the Snow Speeders showing a more consistent number of speeders to match the unchanged fly over shot.
- More Snowspeeder cockpit readout details.
- NO SNOWSPEEDER COCKPIT TRANSPARENCY! This is one flub that the Special Editions stated in detail that they corrected, but didn't. Even on the BluRays.
- Wicked cool addition of an AT-ST trying to shoot down two Snowspeeders.
- The AT-AT seen through the window when Luke says "Alright, stand by Dack" has been removed.

I saw some of these. So I guess there was more changes than I thought. :lol

I do think this edit will be scrutinized more since it seems most people consider ESB the best film of the OT.

Still I enjoyed the first one and will probably like this one too. He does a nice job with them and most of the changes actually are good and fit. I would like to see The Phantom Edit. That would surely be an improvement. :lol

 

[Too Much Garlic]

If fan edits aren't your thing and you would rather stick with the official alterations or the original edits, that's fine.

I watch the Lucas original versions - as close as they have been officially released on DVD.

I don't care about fan edits. And the Adywan stuff is no better than any other fan edit. If I want to watch edited Star Wars, I'll watch the SE's.

So I'll say again: it's just another fan-edit. And nothing anyone say will change that fact. Would I consider watching it? Possibly... but it still won't make it an official Lucasfilm product now will it!?!! So please inform me where my statement is inaccurate.

 

[Lord Boron]

I agree with too much garlic. I don't want any alterations to the films, fan edit or studio done. Yea, some of the changes look pretty neat, but to be honest, I'm not impressed with a lot of them.

 

[Jeyl]

So I'll say again: it's just another fan-edit. And nothing anyone say will change that fact. Would I consider watching it? Possibly... but it still won't make it an official Lucasfilm product now will it!?!! So please inform me where my statement is inaccurate.

We aren't trying to change that fact, nor are we attempting to make the argument that they should be looked at as officially sanctioned works of Lucasfilm. And I wasn't arguing that your statement was inaccurate, just problematic. The way you write off these fan edits for simply being fan edits is a vague and disingenuous argument. Saying that they aren't officially sanctioned by Lucasfilm says NOTHING about the quality of the work that went into them.

I would go so far as to argue that Fan Edits are in a way just like replicas. There are official ones, and there are fan made ones. We have RPF members here who make and sell their own prop replicas and I've never seen anyone say "Meh, it's just a fan made replica that's not endorsed by the studio".

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

I have problems with that Adywan Hoth Battle. Let's go...

Far too many walkers. How did the AT-STs not outpace the walkers and make it to the Rebels waaaaay ahead of them? Maybe that is why the original only had one.

The binoc cleanup and the drivers visible. Really? This needed fixing? I don't know of any optics THAT good.

Flying at an angle into the walkers as opposed to head on, like the original. Sorry, this one felt WAY off. The flying headlong into the mass of death was what made the battle better.

With Disney owning the rights, I guarantee we will see something released from the "Vaults" that is all original transfers of the original films. I'll be patient.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

We aren't trying to change that fact, nor are we attempting to make the argument that they should be looked at as officially sanctioned works of Lucasfilm. And I wasn't arguing that your statement was inaccurate, just problematic. The way you write off these fan edits for simply being fan edits is a vague and disingenuous argument. Saying that they aren't officially sanctioned by Lucasfilm says NOTHING about the quality of the work that went into them.

I would go so far as to argue that Fan Edits are in a way just like replicas. There are official ones, and there are fan made ones. We have RPF members here who make and sell their own prop replicas and I've never seen anyone say "Meh, it's just a fan made replica that's not endorsed by the studio".

You are free to feel your way, I'm free to feel mine. And to me they are not worth my time. Fan edits are further bastardization of the original source material - similar to what Lucas did with the SE versions. The restorations projects is a whole other ballgame, as they try to actually bring out what the official source refuses.

And yes... I'm also hoping that Disney will front the bill to bring us THE real movies.

 

[Solo4114]

We aren't trying to change that fact, nor are we attempting to make the argument that they should be looked at as officially sanctioned works of Lucasfilm. And I wasn't arguing that your statement was inaccurate, just problematic. The way you write off these fan edits for simply being fan edits is a vague and disingenuous argument. Saying that they aren't officially sanctioned by Lucasfilm says NOTHING about the quality of the work that went into them.

I would go so far as to argue that Fan Edits are in a way just like replicas. There are official ones, and there are fan made ones. We have RPF members here who make and sell their own prop replicas and I've never seen anyone say "Meh, it's just a fan made replica that's not endorsed by the studio".

And so what? I mean, where's your dog in this fight? Suppose he said "These are just fan edits, and they suck." So what?

Did you work on these, or something?


I mean, don't get me wrong. I think it's actually fairly impressive that an individual (or I guess a group of folks? I dunno) went through and re-edited this stuff. I think it's neat. It's not what I'm looking for, but it's neat.


I guess my issue is that these kinds of edits seem no different to me -- from a functional perspective -- to the edits Lucas made to the SEs. It's just yet more changes because one person thinks they're cool and has the tools to edit them. Ok, neat. And I'm impressed that one guy could do this stuff on his own without LucasFilm giving him equipment and/or a budget.


But it's still just another edit, when what a lot of us want is LESS editing and more RESTORATION. Adywan's got some talent. No question there. But why is Adywan using this talent to do what Lucas is already doing, instead of trying to UNdo the damage?


All that said, I'm speaking purely of the OT. I couldn't care less if he wants to chop up the prequels because, in my opinion, they were largely junk to begin with. If he can make them better, go for it. The Qui-Gon scene you describe above is a good example. (Even so, I've tried watching Adywan's edit of TPM...and I just couldn't get through it. The film is irredeemable.)

But anyway, I guess I don't really get why Adywan would spend all this time and effort changing this stuff instead of, say, restoring the films to their original form.

 

[jme3]

I don't consider Adywan's modifications to be any more "right" than the ones from GL himself, or any version other than the OT to be true Star Wars. But, since GL is the one who opened that whole can of worms to begin with, I surely don't see Adywan's as any worse either. In keeping with (what I thought was) his original intent to basically fix the gaffes of the SE, I can say that in some cases what I've seen of Adywan's work makes more sense, like the revised Emperor hologram scene with Vader on the Executor that is an ROTJ-esque version of Palpatine that would be much more closely in line with what the Emperor would look like in ESB times, just months or so before ROTJ, instead of the newly-minted and all puffy-looking version from ROTS that looks so out of place. Or the removal of the "Jeeves the butler" command that Vader gives to the Imperial officers to "alert my Star Destroyer" in favor of the simple, original, angry "bring my shuttle". Additional AT-STs are gratuitous, along with most else. But I'm not offended. At the end of the day I'd also like what most others would in the restored OT, but I don't mind having a bit of fun with seeing other people's visions of Star Wars.

 

[Jeyl]

And so what? I mean, where's your dog in this fight?

I enjoy fan edits.

Adywan's got some talent. No question there. But why is Adywan using this talent to do what Lucas is already doing, instead of trying to UNdo the damage?

As far as I can gather, he has undone a lot of damage.

- No Greedo shooting at Han.
- No Jabba the Hutt scene.
- No dumb Mos Eisley antics.
- No censorship.
- No feature length blue filter. (That's a pretty big one)
- No green lightsaber.
- Chewbacca gets a medal.

 

[Pyke]

Hey guys, look to the bright side.....for now on Lucas probably can't continue change things at his will, because, you know Disney owns Star Wars...oh wait....Kingdom Hearts + Star Wars...Goofy and Luke, two brave Jedi.....we are doomed for sure

 

[Wakeem]

I still haven't purchased the Blu-rays and won't till I get the originals.

 

[cayman shen]

I still haven't purchased the Blu-rays and won't till I get the originals.

Yup, not even remotely tempted. Got the DVD OT extras and that's gonna have to be good enough for me.

 

[rodneyfaile]

I guess I'm considered part of the problem. I bought the blurays and watch them. I hate the changes, especially the musical scene in ROTJ, but the unaltered DVDs that came in that boxes set just look so bad on a 60" TV.
I'd rather look at all the stuff I do like in 1080p and suffer through the stuff I don't like.

I actually LOVE what they did with Bespin in ESB.