The Official Avatar Colonel Miles Quaritch "Wasp" Pistol Research Thread

Noeland said:
Finally saw this over the christmas break. I was disappionted the real hardware took a beackseat to the pretty light up CG forest animals.

The revolver was only shown for a few fleeting moments. Real let down.
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I think your're kinda missing the point of the movie there, Noeland :lol

Anyway, we saw the theatrical cut. Two words: sentry guns :)

Even if we don't get more gun-porn in the DC, Cameron's all about the details. I'm sure all the hardware was thought out to the last millimetre, no matter how fleeting a glimpse we get.
 
Another thing is that it's also a selective fire pistol. Which means it's either electronic, gas operated and/or has some type of spring clockwork mechanism in the lockwork for advancing the action. Supposeably it's got 4 selectable positions, Safe - Single shot - 2 round Burst - full Auto at least for 6 shots (what they call empty magazine which is what they are calling the cylinder). The selector looks to be electronic in nature or at least it's a twistable knob for the settings (I'm guessing the knob in place/position of where a normal hammer would be is the selector for the different firing modes). It also has an "auto revolving barrel" action. When they said "barrel" did they mean cylinder (as the cylinder looks like a barrel turned on it's side)? They must have as the actual barrel seems to be of a stationary fixed design.

Its also gyro-stabilized which would point to some type of electric power to spin up the gyros to speed for the gyro stabilizing effect (is the gyro in the handgrip/handle? Maybe thats why it's so big). Does the gyro start to spin when the trigger is touched or slightly depressed or when the grip is held? Maybe it uses some type of bioelectric feedback from the user's touch to run the gyros?

With the way the barrel shroud protrudes under the barrel for the full length of the barrel, maybe there's a gas valve or operating rod that turns the cylinder. That might be the purpose of the housing in front of the cylinder, to hold the automatic revolving mechanism that cycles and turns the cylinder.

What is considered hyper-velocity? For a round to be a magnum, it has to propell the projectile over 1,000 fps for a handgun. So is hypervelocity around 2,000 fps? Or more? Now there are +P+ rounds that go out at around 1,200 fps or more but aren't considered magnums.

At first I thought a 9mm projectile was way small. But then I read that it's a select fire weapon and I don't think you could handle firing 5 or 6 .500 magnums on automatic and get any accuracy at all. The gun would probably jump right out of your hand. I know that there is a .50 Desert Eagle but it's not a magnum, I don't think as they coined it as an Action Express (whatever that's supposed to mean). Also I read up on "hyper-velocity". Firearms related and in this caliber of .356, that would be over 3,000 fps to be considered hypervelocity and that's moving out. And hits on targets act like liquids instead of solids (I don't really understand this but I guess it has something to do with the large amounts of kenetic energy carried and transferred or something). It's the property that EFPs (Explosively Formed Penetrator) are designed around and how they so easily defeat armor. Unarmored large creatures would be put down with only a few devastating hits from rounds like these, even without explosive carrying slugs.

Feel free to correct me on anything :) . Oh I'd also like to have one of these.
 
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Really interested in this project if someone is looking into making this prop. Beyond my skills to make an exact one. I could spoof it, if you will, with a Nerf Maverick, but I'd rather have the real thing. Looking forward to progress on this :D
 
I saw Avatar last night again. It is a minimum 2-time view... I caught so much more. I was waiting for that scene and as he is told they are slipping out, he says S***!... and moves to the door and yells "Masks on" takes his breath, and opens the door .5 seconds later...

And he hoses them down, then pulls the WASP, and despite seeing it for such a short amount of time, it is sort of like seeing Commander Bly in ROTS... it is 4 seconds long.

I spent 4 months making a Bly clone suit.

But back to Avatar...

It is the, the brevity of screen-time that makes you want to see it more... sort of like when you get to see Carmen Electra in person... a few seconds is not enough. But, that is all you get.

And then here we are on RPF, wondering WTH is that gun?

I think that functioning gun was made by a gunmaker - say it is a Ruger - and imagine Cameron comes in and says to a Corporate Gun Smith to make a gun, just for him, to his custom specs... they would.

He spent $400 million for crying out loud.

If we want a fan-made version of this, we just have to find the closest gun to start with, then clay it, bondo it, and cast it. Another option... 3D model from schematics, and output on a 3D printer or FDM (Fused Deposition Modeling) machine. Clean up the output, and hand off to a mold-making master...

Scott, you know I am talking about you! :love

So, if I were to... say... model this, would there be interest in copies? The use of FDM allows for a "from scratch" prop in a relatively quick turn.

This one is a cool one for sure! Sexy... like Carmen Electra!

Oh, and there are many weapons I would love to make. I like the one based off of the M60. You know, with the giant outer heat barrel, extended barrel, modded receiver case, and drum magazine.

Chime in. I can make a model of the sight-system for fun on MLK day.

Later Friends!

John

Noeland said:
Finally saw this over the christmas break. I was disappionted the real hardware took a beackseat to the pretty light up CG forest animal was s.

The revolver only shown for a few fleeting moments. Real let down.
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WhiteCommando said:
This one is a cool one for sure! Sexy... like Carmen Electra!
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Best Quote EVER! :D

I'd say start the modeling myself, but my personal economy is in the crapper right now. I could afford one of these at the moment. I'd like to have one of these before Dragon Con this year just so I can run around the place poking (read: Cracking jokes with fellow costumers in good nature) a lil' fun at the 'Blue Meanies' out there.

That piece of hardware is sweet for sure and a perfect addition to anyone's collection.
 
Raider65 said:
Another thing is that it's also a seletive fire pistol. Which means it's either electronic, gas operated and/or has some type of spring clockwork mechanism in the lockwork for advancing the action. Supposeably it's got 4 selectable positions, Safe - Single shot - 2 round Burst - full Auto at least for 6 shots (what they call empty magazine which is what they are calling the cylinder). The selector looks to be electronic in nature or at least it's a twistable knob for the settings (I'm guessing the knob in place/position of where a normal hammer would be is the selector for the different firing modes). It also has an "auto revolving barrel" action. When they said "barrel" did they mean cylinder (as the cylinder looks like a barrel turned on it's side)? They must have as the actual barrel seems to be of a stationary fixed design.

Its also gyro-stabilized which would point to some type of electric power to spin up the gyros to speed for the gyro stabilizing effect (is the gyro in the handgrip/handle? Maybe thats why it's so big). Does the gyro start to spin when the trigger is touched or slightly depressed or when the grip is held? Maybe it uses some type of bioelectric feedback from the user's touch to run the gyros?

With the way the barrel shroud protrudes under the barrel for the full length of the barrel, maybe there's a gas valve or operating rod that turns the cylinder. That might be the purpose of the housing in front of the cylinder, to hold the automatic revolving mechanism that cycles and turns the cylinder.

What is considered hyper-velocity? For a round to be a magnum, it has to propell the projectile over 1,000 fps for a handgun. So is hypervelocity around 2,000 fps? Or more? Now there are +P+ rounds that go out at around 1,200 fps or more but aren't considered magnums.

At first I thought a 9mm projectile was way small. But then I read that it's a select fire weapon and I don't think you could handle firing 5 or 6 .500 magnums on automatic and get any accuracy at all. The gun would probably jump right out of your hand. I know that there is a .50 Desert Eagle but it's not a magnum, I don't think as they coined it as an Action Express (whatever that's supposed to mean). Also I read up on "hyper-velocity". Firearms related and in this caliber of .356, that would be over 3,000 fps to be considered hypervelocity and that's moving out. And hits on targets act like liquids instead of solids (I don't really understand this but I guess it has something to do with the large amounts of kenetic energy carried and transferred or something). It's the property that EFPs (Explosively Formed Penetrator) are designed around and how they so easily defeat armor. Unarmored large creatures would be put down with only a few devastating hits from rounds like these, even without explosive carrying slugs.

Feel free to correct me on anything :) . Oh I'd also like to have one of these.
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:) As far as the gyro-stablized whatever stuff, the base gun is just a revolver, as far as I can tell. The trigger moves the cylinder.

The "Magnum means over 1000 fps" is incorrect, though! It's just a marketing term.

It sounds like a lot of your material is from some arguably non-canon—but interesting—fictional writeups. If so, someone put some thought into making the technobabble sound fun, so kudos! :)

To be honest, I was kind of surprised it ended up being a revolver when he finally pulled it out. I was expecting it to be some sort of single-shot large caliber pistol. Sort of like those Remington Rolling Block pistols back in the day.

Andy
 
Re: The Official Avatar Colonel Miles Quaritch Pistol Research Thread

I watched the video of Cameron firing the gun. He is a movie director. Have you fired a .357 Magnum? Or a .38? Heck, I owned a Beretta 9mm (U.S. Army Issue-type) that kicked just like that (due to heavy top slide and no muzzle brake)... and the 9mm round is pretty light. AND, I was trained by the U.S. Army in Small-Bore and Large-Bore Rifles, and the P-99 pistol. I rated expert in all 3. That said, the prop kicks... a lot.

And with that short barrel, and with a .38 minimum, or .357 blank round (my guess) since you hear him comment on muzzle flash**... firing that pistol will still be herky-jerky, though Q handles it well.

And Q appears to be a pretty tough dude... my bet, he is ex-military. Sort of like that dude on Mail Call (Military Channel) R. Lee Ermey, the Drill Instructor who was in Full Metal Jacket, and several other movies... OH, and he was the Drill Instructor in Space, Above and Beyond. Typecast, but he is what he is... I digress, back to Avatar...

Dances with Smurfs is Avasome! too! Frankly, I too, had a pre-conceived prejudice against the gratuitous CGI and Blue People... I got over it in about 5 seconds. Best film I have seen in years.

By the way, I am modeling the top scope right now. I wish I had a good, straight shot of the WASP logo and bug. Anyone want to vector up one for me? in Adobe CS2? If you can, please E-mail to john.sale@me.com.

John

** James Cameron is a wizard at muzzle flash. Watch ALIENS. When they decked out those MG-43s for Vasquez , he had the gunsmith make a suppressor that vented blank gas like crazy!!!

See...

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Kerr Avon said:
You're assuming Cameron isn't a limp wristed shooter. He very well could be.

So, is "Dances with Smurfs" worth seeing?
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Here is a Photo-chopped scope and laser on an Air Soft I found...

QsGun.jpg


If I made the scope and laser, do any of you see the use of a 90% pistol, with the added stuff as an option.

99% of the people in this thread would know the concessions made, but 1% of people seeing it, would know the slight compromise.

Also, that said, I can prototype the whole gun... but, the 3D print is pricey!
 
Great Job on the 3D models, WC! Eager to see more... Try using the Ruger GP100 image instead of that S&W.

CustomCreations - I look forward to your WETA insider info - I've got a WETA contact myself, but he needs more time... It's all but confirmed that the base gun is a Ruger GP100 revolver - scroll to the previous page to read more.

Can anyone get a good screenshot of Sully or Chicon's semi-auto pistols during their breakout? There's another scene during the final battle where a soldier is thrown out of a Samson by a banshee, but just before you see him pointing the same pistol. Due to the blurr, I can't get a good shot of it, but I'll try - it looks pretty cool.

Keep the good stuff coming! :)

RR
 
That's awesome work on the scope and wasp logo. Very good job.

The Ruger GP-100 is not a top break pistol though. So custom work must have been done and/or they just used the cylinder. Doesn't it have a swing out cylinder?

Yeah I hate write ups on firearms by people who know nothing on the subject and mess up on the terms and confuse everything. I'm not perfect yet either but it's just a pet peeve of mine.

S&W had some top break revolvers during the West time. I think the british had some top breaker revolvers too. But the cylinders all look to short for it to be them.
 
Thanks a lot!

I was bored, and whipped it up yesterday and this morning.

As for the Top Break...

I believe from the front of the true cylinder forward is faux. The front... with the pivot disc may just all be a part of the cylinder extension and barrel front (which looks like an auto).

And, they probably just loaded it like a standard 6-shooter before that scene where he unloads exactly 6 shots... 4 real fast, and 2 to wrap things up (killing a protagonist).

I think it is just a heavily-smithed pistol AND it does not load like we think. Right?

Well, please post pics of the right pistol when you guys find it.

Wrapping up, I have the models... just need to 3D print... AND, if you guys are interested.

Later Friends,

John

Raider65 said:
That's awesome work on the scope and wasp logo. Very good job.

The Ruger GP-100 is not a top break pistol though. So custom work must have been done and/or they just used the cylinder. Doesn't it have a swing out cylinder?

Yeah I hate write ups on firearms by people who know nothing on the subject and mess up on the terms and confuse everything. I'm not perfect yet either but it's just a pet peeve of mine.

S&W had some top break revolvers during the West time. I think the british had some top breaker revolvers too. But the cylinders all look to short for it to be them.
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Raider65 said:
That's awesome work on the scope and wasp logo. Very good job.

The Ruger GP-100 is not a top break pistol though. So custom work must have been done and/or they just used the cylinder. Doesn't it have a swing out cylinder?
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You're assuming of course that the practical firing model was in fact a real break open design, and NOT a fully enclosed clamshell similar to the Battlestar Galactica (new) season 1 pistols.

It looks like a duck, but quacks like an AK-47. :D

I own Webleys and the Trigun Japanese model gun as well which are all the break open design.

It's "possible" the live fire model was break open, but I'm 95% sure it's just cosmetics on the aftermarket parts.

Russ
 
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