The Marvels (2023)

Elaboration on my previous comment -

I don't think time crunches are adequate to explain a lot of what's going on, though. It's a partial factor at most.


Indy#5 was a work-in-progress for like 3 years and they were spitballing on it for another few years before that. They had plenty of time. But they proceeded to make the wrong movie. Then they changed their minds once the test screening results started coming in. There are shades of that happening on a lot of movies.

With the SW 'Solo' movie they decided they had the wrong directors. But they made that decision when the movie was 80% done. It was big movie and they picked a top-grade new director to redo it. Compare that to 'Back to the Future' and the Eric Stolz/MJF replacement. BTTF was a notorious case of "doing the movie over" by 20th-century standards . . . and that was a relatively low-budget show, and they were only 5-6 weeks into shooting when they made the call. With modern Lucasfilm it's more like they would film for 12 weeks, get the whole thing done, do some test screenings, and then decide the movie is a wreck and needs 8 weeks of reshoots.

Look at the 'Snow White' remake. Disney filmed most of that movie. Then some pics hit the net and the public started mocking the 7 dirty hippies. Now they are scrambling to redo it. They could have test-screened the dirty hippies concept a year earlier and saved $100m.



There was a time when movies that were 80% finished would get released, period. The money was already spent and they were gonna recoup whatever they could out of it. Not today. These days a big franchise movie isn't only the production budget. It's also the franchise entry. It's the release date. The marketing expenses. Etc.

Today the $300 million bucks they spend on the movie is only part of the investment in it. And the actual footage is only a portion of the $300m tab. You can re-shoot a movie for much less if you catch it before all the VFX are done and all the assets (actors, crew, sets, costumes, props, etc) are disbanded.


Bottom line: These production disasters are liable to continue until the studios get serious about test-screening their shows at earlier stages of development. That's the only fix I see. They don't seem willing to hire good creatives and stand back & let them work. So IMO they need to start butting in at earlier stages if they are going to inevitably butt in.
 
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Bottom line: These production disasters are liable to continue until the studios get serious about test-screening their shows at earlier stages of development. That's the only fix I see. They don't seem willing to hire good creatives and stand back & let them work. So IMO they need to start butting in at earlier stages if they are going to inevitably butt in.

How about a trial of "no test screenings"... let's see the original vision!
 
Elaboration on my previous comment -

I don't think time crunches are adequate to explain a lot of what's going on, though. It's a partial factor at most.


Indy#5 was a work-in-progress for like 3 years and they were spitballing on it for another few years before that. They had plenty of time. But they proceeded to make the wrong movie. Then they changed their minds once the test screening results started coming in. There are shades of that happening on a lot of movies.

With the SW 'Solo' movie they decided they had the wrong directors. But they made that decision when the movie was 80% done. It was big movie and they picked a top-grade new director to redo it. Compare that to 'Back to the Future' and the Eric Stolz/MJF replacement. BTTF was a notorious case of "doing the movie over" by 20th-century standards . . . and that was a relatively low-budget show, and they were only 5-6 weeks into shooting when they made the call. With modern Lucasfilm it's more like they would film for 12 weeks, get the whole thing done, do some test screenings, and then decide the movie is a wreck and needs 8 weeks of reshoots.

Look at the 'Snow White' remake. Disney filmed most of that movie. Then some pics hit the net and the public started mocking the 7 dirty hippies. Now they are scrambling to redo it. They could have test-screened the dirty hippies concept a year earlier and saved $100m.



There was a time when movies that were 80% finished would get released, period. The money was already spent and they were gonna recoup whatever they could out of it. Not today. These days a big franchise movie isn't only the production budget. It's also the franchise entry. It's the release date. The marketing expenses. Etc.

Today the $300 million bucks they spend on the movie is only part of the investment in it. And the actual footage is only a portion of the $300m tab. You can re-shoot a movie for much less if you catch it before all the VFX are done and all the assets (actors, crew, sets, costumes, props, etc) are disbanded.


Bottom line: These production disasters are liable to continue until the studios get serious about test-screening their shows at earlier stages of development. That's the only fix I see. They don't seem willing to hire good creatives and stand back & let them work. So IMO they need to start butting in at earlier stages if they are going to inevitably butt in.
I agree. With all of the pre-vis that's often done these days, esp. with these effects heavy movies, they could easily release an early cut with lots of incomplete or unshot scenes filled in with matching clips from the pre-vis reel.
 
People can mock or sneer at people simply saying “I just liked it” as if having an emotional response to a film is wrong. If it is wrong then let’s all pack up, never log in and forget all about making and collecting props that we hold emotional attachments to because it’s sure as **** not based on the fundemental quality of the props themselves at times
I agree that emotional responses are warranted, especially here. At the same time if whoever posted one can't explain it or discuss it at all, it's kind of pointless to post it in a thread specially designed for discussion.

I have the same reaction to "I just liked it" or "I just hated it" statements that don't have any explanation or insight along with them that I have to those who go out of their way to criticize films they haven't seen..."your thoughts on this matter are irrelevant." It's not to be unkind, it's just that why is everything.
 
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I liked it, it was a fun movie. I liked all three actresses and thought they were great. That said, I'm done with this thread as 90% of it is just hate towards the movie with a lot of it from people who have not seen it. I understand if you went to see it and did not like it, at least you have an informed opinion.
 
I can’t hate what I haven’t watched, but I just had no interest in seeing it. I’m not rooting for it to fail by any means.

I was just less than impressed with the last couple of films that I did see, and the trailers for this one didn’t make me think that it would be any better.

I wasn’t impressed with the Miss Marvel series either, so that wasn’t a draw for me.

I don’t want Marvel to fail, they’ve provided a LOT of solid, quality entertainment for me.

They just seem unfocused after Endgame and their multiverse just seems rushed and thrown together.

To me Loki was an amazing series, and the final episode wraps the MCU up nicely for me with a satisfying ending.

Take a break for a while and then reboot it again for the next generation.

Take a cue from George Lucas, wait 20 years and make the audience desperate for more!
 
I can’t hate what I haven’t watched, but I just had no interest in seeing it. I’m not rooting for it to fail by any means.

I was just less than impressed with the last couple of films that I did see, and the trailers for this one didn’t make me think that it would be any better.

I wasn’t impressed with the Miss Marvel series either, so that wasn’t a draw for me.

I don’t want Marvel to fail, they’ve provided a LOT of solid, quality entertainment for me.

They just seem unfocused after Endgame and their multiverse just seems rushed and thrown together.

To me Loki was an amazing series, and the final episode wraps the MCU up nicely for me with a satisfying ending.

Take a break for a while and then reboot it again for the next generation.

Take a cue from George Lucas, wait 20 years and make the audience desperate for more!
The way I see it is that Marvel/Disney had been at the MCU for so long that by the time End Game came out, everybody had more or less forgotten how it all started and how disconnected it all seemed. But at the same time, we knew that they'd eventually all team up in an eventual Avengers movie, which they did, 4 times. With this current phase, we're essentially back to Phase 1 MCU, they're rebuilding and laying the groundwork (I hope) for a new team up, a 5th Avengers movie. However, they have been a bit coy and very ambiguous as to what or who the big bad is for this phase, there's suggestions of it being Kang but it's hard to say at the moment if it is going to be Kang or not. But I'm certain that they do have plans for an Avengers 5 in the works and we're only seeing the beginnings of it with Disney introducing new heroes that will make up The Avengers 2.0.
 
Well, Kang WAS the new big bad, but he’s been dropped from the MCU with the actor being let go.

That put Avengers 5 on hold to be retooled.

Loki stated that Kang had been dealt with and the few variants causing trouble are being handled.

The end credit for the last Ant Man movie is now moot after Loki.

Read that Captain America 4 is being retooled and many new scenes are being filmed.

Let’s hope that they are listening to the fans and making the necessary adjustments.

I want to be excited for a new Marvel movie again.
 
Link to a report that made this official? All I've heard are rumors and speculation about whether or not Jonathan Majors will continue with Marvel, or what Marvel plans to do about Kang.
It was a news feed I read a few days ago. Don’t remember exactly which one. I could be wrong.
 
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