The Mandalorian (TV series)
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cyclocrosschris
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Yes, it also looks like its Jeans Guy wearing the shorts....
Paul Andrew
Master Member
No idea who the other two dudes are. I just don't have the time or energy for being dialed in to Star Wars youtube.
ghostryder
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Jaitea
Master Member
I see the Mandalorians in the series (Din Djarin 'Children of the Watch', 'The Nite Owls', & even the doubt of how pure Boba is as a Mandalorian) as the different groups of Star Wars fans, broken up, considering ourselves true fans
Hopefully the Favreau-Filoni direction & plan will be to unite the different factions, or to highlight that the different factions can coincide
J
Hopefully the Favreau-Filoni direction & plan will be to unite the different factions, or to highlight that the different factions can coincide
J
Toadmeister
Sr Member
While I agree with the sentiment behind your post, I'm coming to find that uniting the fans in agreement on canon isn't the real issue with Star Wars fandom. Lucasfilm and the fandom itself has tried for years to unite us all under the common banner of a cohesive story canon and it hasn't worked.
Lucasfilm since 2012 has tried to cast as wide a net as possible, pandering to as many as they can to gain viewership. How effective they've been is a matter of serious consideration and one that's been discussed ad nauseum so I won't delve into that too much.
I think the real problem is the fans adherence to whichever canon they prefer. Too many fans the last few years have this idea in their heads that we have to agree on every aspect of the story. Or that another fan's devotion or lack thereof is somehow indicative of their personal integrity and should be suspect if it doesn't strictly adhere to their view. Which genuinely frightens me because it hints at cultish devotion that borders on insanity. While the other extremist idea says that we need not think too much about it and blindly consume without question because it's all entertainment anyway.
The only way quality improves in a product is with critical response and that doesn't necessarily mean ripping it to shreds but simply speaking your mind on what worked and what didn't, trying your best to balance your views as much as humanly possible. We live in a world where audience perception is more vital than ever because of the voice the internet gives it, so the chances of entertainment being shaped to its demands is more possible than ever before. Every industry in the modern world is obsessed with customer feedback and Hollywood is no longer an exception to that rule so if it wants to survive it has to adapt. I digress.
I think the key to the division among fans is to accept it and not try to erase it in the name of forced positivity. There will always be different perspectives on the story and ultimately there will be conflict among fans with a series that has so much history and emotion tied to it. Rather than push conformity, why not let each aspect of the fandom have its own space? Where we unite is under the common banner of Star Wars as an idea. Not in pushing each other to take sides which is why I rail against those who far too often try to silence critical thought as being the enemy.
I love ThreadSketch analogy of the buffet, which is why I reference it so often. Take what you like and leave the rest because there's plenty for all. Just don't disparage your fellow diners if they don't like everything on the menu.
Lucasfilm since 2012 has tried to cast as wide a net as possible, pandering to as many as they can to gain viewership. How effective they've been is a matter of serious consideration and one that's been discussed ad nauseum so I won't delve into that too much.
I think the real problem is the fans adherence to whichever canon they prefer. Too many fans the last few years have this idea in their heads that we have to agree on every aspect of the story. Or that another fan's devotion or lack thereof is somehow indicative of their personal integrity and should be suspect if it doesn't strictly adhere to their view. Which genuinely frightens me because it hints at cultish devotion that borders on insanity. While the other extremist idea says that we need not think too much about it and blindly consume without question because it's all entertainment anyway.
The only way quality improves in a product is with critical response and that doesn't necessarily mean ripping it to shreds but simply speaking your mind on what worked and what didn't, trying your best to balance your views as much as humanly possible. We live in a world where audience perception is more vital than ever because of the voice the internet gives it, so the chances of entertainment being shaped to its demands is more possible than ever before. Every industry in the modern world is obsessed with customer feedback and Hollywood is no longer an exception to that rule so if it wants to survive it has to adapt. I digress.
I think the key to the division among fans is to accept it and not try to erase it in the name of forced positivity. There will always be different perspectives on the story and ultimately there will be conflict among fans with a series that has so much history and emotion tied to it. Rather than push conformity, why not let each aspect of the fandom have its own space? Where we unite is under the common banner of Star Wars as an idea. Not in pushing each other to take sides which is why I rail against those who far too often try to silence critical thought as being the enemy.
I love ThreadSketch analogy of the buffet, which is why I reference it so often. Take what you like and leave the rest because there's plenty for all. Just don't disparage your fellow diners if they don't like everything on the menu.
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HMSwolfe
Master Member
If I had any faith in Disney or Lucasfilm anymore, I would advocate for some short special with Sebastian Stan, and two other actors for Harrison and Carrie, just as a simple, fun adventure, disconnected from everything else. Like, when Han mentions a bounty hunter on Ord Mandel, not that it would need to be that specifically. But just a short, twenty to thirty minute little film with no CGI faces and a real attempt to merely be a fun romp with our heroes. But preferably not post-ROTJ. No tie-ins to other storylines or characters from various EU sources, no Easter eggs beyond seeing the three OT heroes (and obviously their various counterparts, like Chewie, Threepio, and Artoo). Just a little action piece with no responsibility to prop up a new show or pump up D+ subscriptions.
joberg
Legendary Member
ThreadSketch
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I have to say...it's something I'd have to just "get over" and dismiss moving forward, but there's something I can't really articulate about the way Mark Hamill's eyes contribute so much to his performance that another actor just can't replicate. In many of those shots, while Sebastian superficially resembles him very closely, his eyes make him look...bored, or phoning it in, or just lacking in the same amount of conviction. (I know, it's a deepfake and not an actual performance, so it can't be fully rated like one, but I'm just saying.) Like he's just standing there staring at whoever he's talking to instead of really expressing how the character feels. I don't know. For me there's just something unique about Mark's portrayal of Luke that will be irreplaceable, even as the character will need somebody else, or multiple somebodies, to continue the role in live-action (and yes, at this point, I'd frankly be much more satisfied if we never saw him live-action again).
Maybe there's another guy out there who could capture Luke the way Mark did, but I'd be hella picky about who that is. Seb is fine as a stand-in, but there's more to a character than just looking like a carbon copy of them. Can they exude Luke Skywalker is what I'd be most concerned about.
(Sorry for hijacking a Mando thread, just wanted to leave my $.02.)
ghostryder
Legendary Member
HMSwolfe
Master Member
I know this isn’t the whole deal, but specifically in the thumbnail for this video, and a few shots in it, the deepfake has not replicated the catch lights, which make up a big part of how we respond to “living” or “human” characters. It’s the light in the eyes.
sztriki
Sr Member
I get what you mean but TBF until they put a costume on him and have him act out the scenes with proper lighting this is not really representative. I chalk this up to the deepfake tech. Eyes were pretty dead and flat in the Mando episode as well for me and that was supposedly Mark with CG de-age.
ThreadSketch
Well-Known Member
Yeah, that does seem to be the prevailing problem with deepfake/questionable de-aging/whatever tech. They'd really need to focus on improving that, if they really insist on utilizing it. And that is indeed one of the issues that had me cringing from the Mando appearance (but not the sole one).
And I agree, that's the main reason I'm seemingly one of the few people on Earth not on the Stan bandwagon yet, lol - everyone's fixated on the physical resemblance but I need to see the guy audition before I'm convinced, or not convinced.
HMSwolfe
Master Member
Oh, I agree, but that’s why I would have liked to see him do the role (in Mando) aside from just having a real person there rather than a CG mask. I like Stan, I’d like to see how he’d do.
HMSwolfe
Master Member
I also think that, until AI processing gets good enough, if deepfakes were to be used as a filmmaking tool, it would be wise to keep the eyes of the body double as their own eyes, similar to what they did with Davy Jones in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. The eyes really are the window to the soul, and fake eyes are very easy to spot. Same with mouths, to be honest. I think that’s why the deepfakes on top of CG faces sometimes don’t work, because they’re still running off of awkward animation rather than a real face.
Mark has more round, bigger eyes than Stan too which could potentially make them more emotive. That could be the distinction you're seeing. Plus it's not the same with a deepfake and a real person. They may be done well in some cases, but it's never the same as having a real actor on a set with lighting etc, vs. CGI tech.
CopperRevan
Master Member
So, I was watching Revenge of the Sith and i saw a scene that sort of blew my mind and made me think..or overthink, time will tell but here goes:
and it reminded me of this:
and then i got to thinking..Noooo, but then i remembered this
and my first thought was
I'm wondering if some answers aren't right in front of our face. I really hope this isn't true. Btw, i didn't look this up somewhere and i'm not some conspiracy theorist looking for click bait...just a thought.
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