The Mandalorian (TV series)

[Captain Dunsel]

So someone, please explain to me what exactly Jango and Boba Fett are, in relation to the Mandos....and please don’t refer me to some obscure EU reference to find the answer.

Are they outcasts? Did they violate “The Riddle of Beskar Steel”? Did they allow someone to see them with their helmets off, while they were taking a drink? Did they murder a Mandalorian and just take his armor? Clearly they are not orthodox Mandos.

Thanks!

 

[squirk]

From Wookieepedia's canon entry on Jango:

Jango Fett was born in the years prior to the Invasion of Naboo. He claimed to have been born on the planet Concord Dawn, a Mandalorian world, but his exact history was unknown, much to Fett's enjoyment. While he did wear Mandalorian armor, officials of Mandalore disavowed any connection to Fett, claiming he was simply a bounty hunter who somehow stole an artifact from their planet's troubled past. However, Fett's armor itself was fashioned from durasteel alloy, while most Mandalorian armor was made from beskar. In most other respects it was the same as the gear that had been designed hundreds of years prior.

FWIW, the old EU had him as a child orphaned by the Death Watch ("bad" Mandalorians, led by an ancestor/relative of Pre Vizla) on Concord Dawn. He was adopted by the leader of the True Mandalorians ("good"), Jaster Mereel.

 

[firesprite]

So someone, please explain to me what exactly Jango and Boba Fett are, in relation to the Mandos....and please don’t refer me to some obscure EU reference to find the answer.

Are they outcasts? Did they violate “The Riddle of Beskar Steel”? Did they allow someone to see them with their helmets off, while they were taking a drink? Did they murder a Mandalorian and just take his armor? Clearly they are not orthodox Mandos.

Thanks!

As I mentioned above, my hubby and I are of the opinion that this is some sort of splinter group that arose after the Great Purge that was mentioned. I think that Palpatine made the Mandalorians subject to annihilation like the Jedi because he knew that you can't really control them, not long term. And, given that they've been successful hunters of both Jedi and Sith, it makes sense that he wouldn't want them around.

 

[gobler]

Yeah, the vibe I'm getting is they are either a new faction or an ultra extreme faction of Death Watch. Perhaps it's "thier clan" custom to not remove thier helmet outside of a private room. So when they bathe, eat or sleep for instance. Just because we've never seen it before does not make it any less canon. After all, this comes from Faloni and Lucas (who had some input on this show).

Maybe in a future episode or next season we get a different House Clan that chides them for "ancient ways" or some such.

 

[ConvergencePro]

I think the current cannon has both Boba and Jango set not as actual Mandalorians any longer; which I think is borderline criminal as they’re where the whole thing came from in the first place... not to mention Boba does have Mandalorian emblems slapped all over him as well as never removing his helmet even in his own ship by himself when on the job

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I think the current cannon has both Boba and Jango set not as actual Mandalorians any longer; which I think is borderline criminal as they’re where the whole thing came from in the first place... not to mention Boba does have Mandalorian emblems slapped all over him as well as never removing his helmet even in his own ship by himself when on the job

Agreed—making them both “wanna-be Mandalorians” is pretty weak.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

Agreed—making them both “wanna-be Mandalorians” is pretty weak.

It's an idea that came straight from Lucas & it was made official by Filoni in Clone Wars, so it's nothing really new.

 

[jhazard]

This. The jetpack Mando salute was likely inspired more by War Machine/ Iron Patriot than an outdated 90's B movie like the Rocketeer.

It didn't feel right.
The rest of the episode just pure awesomeness.

I think it more likely a nod to the guy that designed Boba Fett and directed Rocketeer?


I thought it was cheesy at first... But it sort of fits the show.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

It's an idea that came straight from Lucas & it was made official by Filoni in Clone Wars, so it's nothing really new.

I’m going to have to think about whether the reality of this situation with the Fett family merits me getting disagreeable on the topic...

Nah; not for these two schmuks.

Moving on, it’ll be fine.

 

[squirk]

It's an idea that came straight from Lucas & it was made official by Filoni in Clone Wars, so it's nothing really new.

Where in "Clone Wars" did they establish the idea that neither Jango nor Boba were "real" Mandalorians?

 

[firesprite]

Where in "Clone Wars" did they establish the idea that neither Jango nor Boba were "real" Mandalorians?

Yeah... Jango recruited the Mandalorians that were training the clones, which was shown in the show, so....

 

[squirk]

Yeah... Jango recruited the Mandalorians that were training the clones, which was shown in the show, so....

Did they ever show actual Mandalorians training the clones on the show? I know that was the case in the Karen Traviss books, but on the show, I thought the only people we saw training the younger generation of clones were a.) older clones; b.) Bric, the alien who looked like his brain was on the outside of his skull; and c.) some Arconan whose name escapes me.

 

[Psicorp7]

Yeah... Jango recruited the Mandalorians that were training the clones, which was shown in the show, so....

Season 2 Episode 12 Duchess Satine talks to Obi-Wan and says something to the effect of Jango not being a "real" Mandalorian and she has no idea where he got his armor. It leaves some holes as far as what a "real" Mandalorian is and who is making that judgement. It doesn't help that Jango has been hired to kill the Duchess.

 

[Joek3rr]

Where in "Clone Wars" did they establish the idea that neither Jango nor Boba were "real" Mandalorians?

 

[firesprite]

Season 2 Episode 12 Duchess Satine talks to Obi-Wan and says something to the effect of Jango not being a "real" Mandalorian and she has no idea where he got his armor. It leaves some holes as far as what a "real" Mandalorian is and who is making that judgement. It doesn't help that Jango has been hired to kill the Duchess.

Of course, Satine would consider them criminals. She considers any Mandalorian that doesn't belong to her pacifist regime a criminal. And why would she know where he got his armor? I doubt the clans were sharing that information with her after her group criminalized their customs.

 

[firesprite]

Did they ever show actual Mandalorians training the clones on the show? I know that was the case in the Karen Traviss books, but on the show, I thought the only people we saw training the younger generation of clones were a.) older clones; b.) Bric, the alien who looked like his brain was on the outside of his skull; and c.) some Arconan whose name escapes me.

What leads you to believe Bric isn't a Mandalorian? Mandalorian is a culture, not a species.

 

[harrisonp]

I believe it was Prime Minister Almec that makes the statement, something to the effect that Jango was a “common criminal in stolen armor”. He’s the leader of the pacifist Mandos so it makes sense that he would disavow the actions of someone more akin to Death Watch and the warrior roots of the culture. I feel there is room for the Fetts to be true Mandos in time.

 

[squirk]

What leads you to believe Bric isn't a Mandalorian? Mandalorian is a culture, not a species.

I know it's not a species. But he was described as just a "bounty hunter," if I recall correctly. Absolutely no mention of him having any connection to Mandalore or Mandalorians. So, not impossible that he's Mandalorian, I suppose, but they gave no indication of it.

I believe it was Prime Minister Almec that makes the statement, something to the effect that Jango was a “common criminal in stolen armor”. He’s the leader of the pacifist Mandos so it makes sense that he would disavow the actions of someone more akin to Death Watch and the warrior roots of the culture. I feel there is room for the Fetts to be true Mandos in time.

Yes, I just pulled up the ep. It was him, not Satine, who said that.

 

[Psicorp7]

Darn, faulty memory, I think it was one of the Diplomats or Chaimberlains not Duchess Satine that says the line.

harrisonp is correct!

 

[squirk]

Wow. That was eye-opening. Interesting that George specifically intended for Jango not to be Mandalorian, as I never suspected that he himself gave the character's origin/backstory that much thought.

Interesting how Filoni didn't necessarily discard the "Open Season" storyline, where Jango indeed was not a Mandalorian by birth. Perhaps the "True Mandalorians" were the splinter group Filoni was referring to.

I wonder if Almec didn't consider Jango a true Mandalorian due to lineage, or because he (Almec) didn't know about (or refused to acknowledge) the True Mandalorians