Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[cboath]

I'm aware of broom boy, not sure who the toddler is. Regardless, the whole point of that was artistic license to show there were other people out there who could be trained someday.

And, make no mistake, if Rey could actual do anything while on Jakku, they'd have shown us in that lead up. they didn't so she couldn't do anything.

And to use your argument, who's to say luke hadn't been using it unknowingly either, the T-16 races, shoot womp rats, etc. We aren't shown that so it's implied he couldn't do squat prior to hooking up with Obi Wan in ANH.

 

[sztriki]

"I am no Jedi, but I know the Force. It moves through and surrounds every living thing. Close your eyes. Feel it. The light. It's always been there.(that's 19 years) It will guide you.

"Something inside me has always been there."(again that's 19 years)

If she always had and more importantly known the Force so much that she was pretty cool using it as a pro without any guidance then
1. Why is the title of the movie The Force Awakens?
2. Why the stupid “she downloaded Kylo’s training” explanation that they had to pull out of their backsides for the novelization to placate ppl who were asking this question? Which btw has absolutely no mention in any of the movies and I’m willing to place a bet that it won’t be mentioned in TROS.

I get it, she always had the potential, so did Luke but having something to trigger it to come to the forefront (Falcon chase, saber, mind fight with Kylo) so that she sort of instinctively uses it in certain situations is not the same as naaah she always knew so she’s fine. I would again give TFA a pass if it was further explored in TLJ but that script just took it for granted as a superpower that “yea that just happaned, now I’ll use it for my pretty themes” instead of making it important in terms of character development.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Why the stupid “she downloaded Kylo’s training” explanation that they had to pull out of their backsides for the novelization to placate ppl who were asking this question? Which btw has absolutely no mention in any of the movies and I’m willing to place a bet that it won’t be mentioned in TROS.

It's not mentioned because it's shown. The novelization makes it clearer what's happening, but ADF didn't make that bit up. During the mind probe, Kylo starts seeing what she's seen, sensing her thoughts. We see when she instinctively pushes back, she sees what's in his mind. It's only after that she starts consciously using Force abilities. And, from dialogue afterward, that she doesn't know how she knows to do that, or how she's doing it.

But given how many people I see still who don't realize that's what all that was about, it's definitely something they needed to shine a light on a liiiiiiittle more than they did. And not even getting into TLJ.

 

[sztriki]

It's not mentioned because it's shown. The novelization makes it clearer what's happening, but ADF didn't make that bit up. During the mind probe, Kylo starts seeing what she's seen, sensing her thoughts. We see when she instinctively pushes back, she sees what's in his mind. It's only after that she starts consciously using Force abilities. And, from dialogue afterward, that she doesn't know how she knows to do that, or how she's doing it.

But given how many people I see still who don't realize that's what all that was about, it's definitely something they needed to shine a light on a liiiiiiittle more than they did. And not even getting into TLJ.

Sorry, what is shown in the movie is that they have an exchange of thoughts and an insight into each other’s feelings. Nowhere does it even imply that Rey put a straw in his head and sucked out every bit of knowledge and training without Kylo even realizing or being able to do anything against it.

 

[cboath]

Sorry, what is shown in the movie is that they have an exchange of thoughts and an insight into each other’s feelings. Nowhere does it even imply that Rey put a straw in his head and sucked out every bit of knowledge and training without Kylo even realizing or being able to do anything against it.

I agree. This isn't Sylar and Heroes - being able to 'read a mind' is vastly different than understanding exactly how to do something you've never even attempted before. And, even in Heroes it wasn't that simple. Also, if it were that easy, Kylo would have found what he wanted right off the bat. But, regardless, reading someone's mind lets you see the information. If someone read Einstein's mind to see where he left his noteobook, they're not going to be a second Einstein and just immediately understand everything he does and be a master mathematician because they could see a memory.

And, you're right again - you flat out cannot infer that from that scene. I've seen it a number of times. That thought never crossed my mind. It definitely comes across as adrenaline or something to that affect awakening the ability because of the situation. I would never have thought, and still don't, that she simply stole the information in that scene. Things just don't work that way. Again, different universe, but even in Harry Potter, Voldemort stored a piece of himself in Harry. It was one of the reasons Harry was so good early on. He had that 'power' as an infant, but it didn't manifest until he was 10-12 or so. And even at that spent the entire 7 books/years learning how to use that power and even in the end was not a 'master'.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I will put something out there that is no doubt true.

This thread has spent more time discussing The Force and the mystery of the Greatest of All Jedi (Rey) than the Disney writer's room spent in developing 3 films with her.

She is simply great and all-powerful, because she needs to be, and a $4 billion investment demands it. She is who she is because, well, "reasons".

It’s a shame of wasted potential.

 

[Apollo]

Amen, just don’t look behind the curtain and expect to find much

She is simply great and all-powerful, because she needs to be, and a $4 billion investment demands it. She is who she is because, well, "reasons".

 

[Psab keel]

There is a line in the latest trailer where Rey says something like, "Everyone acts like they know me, but no one does."

I think the audience can say the same about her. We dont know much about her and that makes her hard to relate to.

I find it absurd that they waited until the last chapter of this trilogy to answer the question of her identity rather than let us in on it from the beginning so we could grow to love her and be invested in her struggle.

I suspect there may be some ST fans that might be very disappointed with the finale if this plays out the way I suspect it will. I certainly hope I'm wrong though.

 

[HMSwolfe]

This is my problem with them introducing like thirty new characters and plot lines in TROS, because I want to like Rey and the other leads. I think they were cast well and are doing the best with what they’re given. But there is simply no meat, no substance. Daisy Ridley being charismatic and enthusiastic was enough to carry me for one movie, but by the second, some serious character development definitely needed to start happening. But instead, they’re just going to tell a story about how everyone in the galaxy comes out of the woodwork, has their half-hour side plot, and then comes together to once again defeat the Emperor. It’s almost as bad as if they had brought back another functioning Death Star.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

All of this is not to say that the writer’s task in this situation is an easy one—it’s certainly not.

The truth is, the “Star Wars” universe is really not that rich of a universe, cinematically. At least as long as they keep spending all of their time in one little corner of it, revolving around one family. Surprisingly, after 10 films, “Star Wars” seems severely limited in scope. Even by ROTJ, Lucas found that he had to start repeating himself, with a second Death Star, etc. (Yeah, I know, “it’s like poetry, it rhymes....” whatever.)

The physical embodiment of this limited scope being employed is seen throughout the saga. Luke’s got a secret sister, but she also has to be the only girl available to be his sister in the current cast, “You’ll Be Dead Guy” cameos in two films as the a-hole that bumps into both Jyn and Luke. Greedo is not only killed by Han, but in a TMP deleted scene he was also a childhood friend of Anakin. C3-PO and R2-D2 not only ended up as the property of Luke, but one was built by Anakin and the other served as his combat Astro-mech. Like Anakin, another fallen Skywalker is the secondary conflicted baddie of the new trilogy. Now, Rey has to defeat the same main foe (the resurrected Emperor), on the same Death Star, using a Skywalker family lightsaber. Is it even a spoiler for me to say that she wins and the Emperor is killed (again)? Yawn...

The saga doesn’t feel like a story that takes place in a vast universe, but a story that takes place in a small town like Mayberry, where everybody knows everybody and the citizens of the town are all, somehow, related to everyone else.

I think the farther away they get from the corner of the universe occupied by the Skywalkers, and the more they start to move into new territory, the better things will get, from a more expanded universe perspective. We saw glimpses of this in “Rogue One” and seem to be seeing some of this in “The Mandalorian” (even though the “hook” for the series is, let’s be honest, “kids, he’s like Boba Fett”).

 

[Caveneau]

Personally I agree with this because I feel that Rogue One, has made the most substantial contribution to the Star Wars franchise post Revenge of the Sith, both story-wise and cinematically, and it's my hope that The Mandalorian, with Jon Favreau's direction, will feel similar.

*Actually, I thought the Clone Wars series by Genndy Tartakovsky was really good too!

"I think the farther away they get from the corner of the universe occupied by the Skywalkers, and the more they start to move into new territory, the better things will get, from a more expanded universe perspective. We saw glimpses of this in “Rogue One” and seem to be seeing some of this in “The Mandalorian”.

 

[HMSwolfe]

I think the farther away they get from the corner of the universe occupied by the Skywalkers, and the more they start to move into new territory, the better things will get, from a more expanded universe perspective. We saw glimpses of this in “Rogue One” and seem to be seeing some of this in “The Mandalorian”.

Someone posted in the Mandalorian show forum that they had a theory that the Mandalorian would be revealed to really be Boba Fett, and that the guy who dies in ROTJ was a decoy.

I sure hope not. That would limit this universe even more.

 

[sztriki]

I think the farther away they get from the corner of the universe occupied by the Skywalkers, and the more they start to move into new territory, the better things will get, from a more expanded universe perspective. We saw glimpses of this in “Rogue One” and seem to be seeing some of this in “The Mandalorian”.

I absolutely agree with everything in your post. However R1 and the trailers for the Mandalorian just didn’t feel Star Wars to me.
It’s really weird that I too want this to move away from what we already know but every time it tries to do that comes out as forced to me, no pun intended. It really is a limited world , it lasted for 3 movies in all honesty.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Someone posted in the Mandalorian show forum that they had a theory that the Mandalorian would be revealed to really be Boba Fett, and that the guy who dies in ROTJ was a decoy.

I sure hope not. That would limit this universe even more.

Yeah, I don’t believe this speculation either.

For one thing, if it were Fett, we would see the AOTC Jango Fett actor making appearances and not Pedro Pascal....he was a clone, after all.

 

[cboath]

There is a line in the latest trailer where Rey says something like, "Everyone acts like they know me, but no one does."

I think the audience can say the same about her. We dont know much about her and that makes her hard to relate to.

I find it absurd that they waited until the last chapter of this trilogy to answer the question of her identity rather than let us in on it from the beginning so we could grow to love her and be invested in her struggle.

I suspect there may be some ST fans that might be very disappointed with the finale if this plays out the way I suspect it will. I certainly hope I'm wrong though.

Have they said they're definitively answering it?

 

[Psab keel]

I read somewhere recently that Daisy Ridley confirmed it. Plus the latest trailer has confirmed some of the major plot leaks and seems to line up with the same storyline that's been floating around since this summer.

 

[BTTUK]

Just to add my two pence to the whole Rey and the Force discussion.
When Kylo reads her mind, he mentions seeing Rey's dream of an island in a vast ocean, which for me suggests she was having visions of Ahch-to, without realising what it was or meant to her.

 

[Psab keel]

I find it vexing that Rey will be able to, most likely, single handedly defeat the Emperor when no one else could.

Not even Luke or Vader could, they had to team up. Made Windu couldn't. Palpatine cut through the other Jedi with Mace when they tried to arrest him in ROTS so even teamed up they were no match for him.

Not even Yoda, who had studied the Force for 900 years, but Rey apparently can after only a year or so without ever being tempted to turn to the dark side either.

So incredibly stupid. This means she is more powerful than all of those Jedi combined.

Plus it gives Palpatine a level of power that apparently negates death. I know the whole Darth Plagueous stuff, but this whole finale is just lining up to absurdity.

 

[Jaitea]

The ST is just a joke, Star Wars has gone down the line with all other dumb sequels, look at the new Terminator film

Not going to see this in the cinema, looking forward to the Mando series

J

 

[sztriki]

Just to add my two pence to the whole Rey and the Force discussion.
When Kylo reads her mind, he mentions seeing Rey's dream of an island in a vast ocean, which for me suggests she was having visions of Ahch-to, without realising what it was or meant to her.

Agreed on that, but sadly it was something again that was never followed up on.

I find it vexing that Rey will be able to, most likely, single handedly defeat the Emperor when no one else could.

Not even Luke or Vader could, they had to team up. Made Windu couldn't. Palpatine cut through the other Jedi with Mace when they tried to arrest him in ROTS so even teamed up they were no match for him.

Not even Yoda, who had studied the Force for 900 years, but Rey apparently can after only a year or so without ever being tempted to turn to the dark side either.

So incredibly stupid. This means she is more powerful than all of those Jedi combined.

Plus it gives Palpatine a level of power that apparently negates death. I know the whole Darth Plagueous stuff, but this whole finale is just lining up to absurdity.

I actually think there will be soma grandiose mental/spiritual/Force team up inside Rey with all the previous masters, ghosts, etc. Most lines in the trailer point towards that. Which if true could further diminish Rey to simply being a vessel for the Force or whatever iterations but since I'm speculating I'm not gonna start lamenting on things that may not even happen, especially that I still try to steer clear from leaks and spoilers.