Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[Richard Baker]

I might just be old fashioned, but when I sit in a theater to watch a movie I feel everything I need to know to enjoy it should be on the screen. It could be the opening crawl, spoken dialog or watching actual events unfold. Having to resort to to auxiliary materials for back stories and explanations is lazy film making (plus a cynical marketing technique to force fans to buy the other crap in addition to the ticket prices). It was annoying with the rebooted Trek and seems to be a trend now.

If you don't have enough time in the movie to tell us what we need, then trim some of the extra scenes which do not contribute to the plot (cough cough Canto Bight) and make room for it.

 

[Joek3rr]

Rubbish. Johnson's Jake Skywalker did nothing and even at the end his "out of body" confrontation was merely a gesture, nothing more than a plot device to kill him off.

How convenient of the "Resistance" to send a mosquito fleet only against an entire fleet of Star Destroyers. An entire fleet of them no less. Your boy Rian ruined the concept of space battles in Star Wars forever. Experimental shields, lol.

I don't know about that. He did project himself across the galaxy, to simply apologize to Ben. And he saved the Resistance, and pulled of an El Cid moment.

So um where does it ever say, that you can't run into things while jumping to hyperspace?

"However, before the Battle of Coruscant in 19 BBY, Pammant was devastated when the Republic Praetor-class Star Battlecruiser Quaestor suffered a hyperspace accident and collided with the planet, fracturing Pammant and dousing it with radiation."

 

[Psab keel]

Maybe the whole saga will turn out to be a dream sequence that takes place in the mind of one of the gambling aliens on Canto Bight who had a little too much Calamarian brandy before he went to bed.

 

[vader45]

Edit.

 

[vader45]

I stand corrected.

Can't say i'm hugely impressed that they've done that though. Was far more interesting to me that Palpatine had nothing to do with his creation.

Before Disney the Darth Plaguis book suggested that both of them created Anakin through the force.

 

[Bigdaddy]

Maybe the whole saga will turn out to be a dream sequence that takes place in the mind of one of the gambling aliens on Canto Bight who had a little too much Calamarian brandy before he went to bed.

If anyone deserves to be the dreamer it's this guy

 

[BTTUK]

Before Disney the Darth Plaguis book suggested that both of them created Anakin through the force.

Sort of. They meditated on the Force to bend it to their will, but it didn't go as they expected.

It is never explicity stated that they created him, or whether it was just the Force that "fought back" and created him in response to what they were doing.

Making it explicitly Sidious that created him, does more to lessen yet another aspect to Anakin's sacrifice in RoTJ, and even the groundwork laid down by Qui-Gon's belief in the prophecy. I've been a big supporter of the recent Star Wars output, but it is now to me, becoming far too interested in going over things that were established and don't need re-imagining or adding to.

 

[Joek3rr]

Sort of. They meditated on the Force to bend it to their will, but it didn't go as they expected.

It is never explicity stated that they created him, or whether it was just the Force that "fought back" and created him in response to what they were doing.

Making it explicitly Sidious that created him, does more to lessen yet another aspect to Anakin's sacrifice in RoTJ, and even the groundwork laid down by Qui-Gon's belief in the prophecy. I've been a big supporter of the recent Star Wars output, but it is now to me, becoming far too interested in going over things that were established and don't need re-imagining or adding to.

It's not explicit or confirmed. Just heavily suggested he was involved somehow.

But we can't say that this is true, as there are many untrue things seen.

 

[vader45]

Im not sure why Sidious is so connected to Anakin's sacrifice in rotj. He was saving his son and proving it possible to turn from the dark side. Can someone please explain how Palpatine is specifically invovled in that very moment? To me his death was a means to achieve what I said. Nothing more.

It may not be direct that he's Anakin's father but my point is that he mastered minded every event in 1-6 with it's after affects in the ST. He is needed to bring a closure to the saga.

 

[Bigdaddy]

The closure happened in ROTJ, there's no story point that requires EP returning. This fanfiction is only "part of a saga" because Disney wrote a check.
Heck, my own fan films have more connection and continuity with their source material and the original creator actually liked them!

 

[BTTUK]

Im not sure why Sidious is so connected to Anakin's sacrifice in rotj. He was saving his son and proving it possible to turn from the dark side. Can someone please explain how Palpatine is specifically invovled in that very moment? To me his death was a means to achieve what I said. Nothing more.

It may not be direct that he's Anakin's father but my point is that he mastered minded every event in 1-6 with it's after affects in the ST. He is needed to bring a closure to the saga.

Connected because the Emperor and his power, personifies the dark side that is what Vader is so wedded to, and also what Luke can sense that the suppressed Anakin side is struggling against. Luke's suffering breaks that hold the Emperor has over Anakin, who knowing he will die doing it, throws him over the rail and completes the prophecy at the same time.

Without Sidious rising and being around, then the prophecy is not needed or set into motion.

I disagree that he needs to be in it at all.

 

[BTTUK]

It's not explicit or confirmed. Just heavily suggested he was involved somehow.
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But we can't say that this is true, as there are many untrue things seen.

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True. I'll have to have a full read through. It's very possible i've reacted in a knee jerk way, rather than considered it in any depth

 

[Joek3rr]

True. I'll have to have a full read through. It's very possible i've reacted in a knee jerk way, rather than considered it in any depth

You should totally read it. One of the best comics I've read.

 

[drcraig13]

I think you could safely say EP is the father of "Vader". He did orchestrate his becoming Vader by turning him to the dark side and against the Jedi order. He might have even been responsible for the visions that Anakin had about Padme dying. But I don't like the idea of him being "Anakin's" dad.

 

[edge10]

If anyone deserves to be the dreamer it's this guy
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Maybe Bob Newhart can wake up with Mary Frann in the bed and tell her about the dream he just had.

 

[Joek3rr]

I think you could safely say EP is the father of "Vader". He did orchestrate his becoming Vader by turning him to the dark side and against the Jedi order. He might have even been responsible for the visions that Anakin had about Padme dying. But I don't like the idea of him being "Anakin's" dad.

I think that's a good way of putting it. Though you have wonder, when Palpatine says, "I need your help son." Is he calling him son in a sort of grandfatherly way? Or is it something else?

 

[Joek3rr]

The closure happened in ROTJ, there's no story point that requires EP returning. This fanfiction is only "part of a saga" because Disney wrote a check.
Heck, my own fan films have more connection and continuity with their source material and the original creator actually liked them!

I wonder. I think George might have been low key thinking of having Palpatine return when filming ROTJ. I mean Palpatine coming back was apart of his 12 and 9 episodes plan. And when you watch ROTJ, there is something off about his "death". I mean Anakin picks him up and chucks him down the shaft, and suddenly he mysteriously "explodes"? He hasn't even fallen the distance of his tower. What would cause that to happen? Plus consider how it's been shown that his Sith alchemy looks awfully similar to that blue stuff that comes rushing out of the shaft.

 

[Bigdaddy]

I wonder. I think George might have been low key thinking of having Palpatine return when filming ROTJ. I mean Palpatine coming back was apart of his 12 and 9 episodes plan. And when you watch ROTJ, there is something off about his "death". I mean Anakin picks him up and chucks him down the shaft, and suddenly he mysteriously "explodes"? He hasn't even fallen the distance of his tower. What would cause that to happen? Plus consider how it's been shown that his Sith alchemy looks awfully similar to that blue stuff that comes rushing out of the shaft.
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Cartoons and unused ideas aside I never thought Palpatine survived, I always assumed the blue stuff was his "force energy" or whatever being released when he died. Of course in 1983 we didn't have the minutia of fan fiction making up explanations for mostly inconsequential details and nobody was data mining for a logical reason that he survived.

 

[robn1]

Maybe the whole saga will turn out to be a dream sequence that takes place in the mind of one of the gambling aliens on Canto Bight who had a little too much Calamarian brandy before he went to bed.

No. That would mean Canto Bight is the only part of the saga that's real.

 

[cboath]

Yes it does. Issue 25 of Marvel's Darth Vader comic says thats what happened. The LFL Story Group says all the Marvel Star Wars comics are canon.

Which, if true, is stupid.

Not stupid that they made the connection official, but stupid they made it official in something .1% of the fan base is going read/see.

By definition it means you can't put it in a movie without essentially stating it first because none of the viewing audience will actually know that.