robn1
Master Member
But you're forgetting negative opinions aren't valid, and have no place in a discussion.
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)
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2019...I can't even tell if this is sarcasm anymore or not.
mattycsi
Master Member
It's a sad reality.
We could all find ourselves on the wrong side of a hashtag movement for trilogy shaming ST fans.
Timmythekid
Sr Member
This. A billion times this. No, Disney, I'm not buying a dozen novels, subscribing to your comic series, and playing a really mediocre video game just so I can 'get' your movie. It's a callous, greedy, despicable marketing move, and it's not. happening. Similarly, I will not be chided by people who DO buy all of that crap, and who were some of the loudest defenders of TFA and TLJ to paper over the gaping logic, narrative, and plot holes with 'cha....brah, you just didn't understand the movie because you needed to consume Disney products X through Z!'. No. I'm not participating in that nonsense. The films either stand on their own, or they don't - you either tell a compelling story that, you know, I'll probably want to find out more about, or you tell a weak story that I've got no interest in pouring more cash into.
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And you get off of my lawn while you're at it, Disney. bah!
Timmythekid
Sr Member
Oh that's an easy explanation - ewoks won because those Anovos suits of armor were never were delivered to the Endor garrison. They absolutely were totally for real scheduled for delivery the NEXT quarter after the Empire fell though.
HMSwolfe
Master Member
Good question. (Nate Drake is awesome though). Better question, why are they introducing like fifteen new characters when they haven’t satisfactorily developed the 3-4 main characters they introduced two movies ago?!
Joek3rr
Master Member
Joek3rr
Master Member
I see plenty of connections. Most obviously there's the family connection. There's Luke and Leia, and Ben Solo.
There's Ben trying to live up to the dark legacy left by his grandfather.
The Jedi order as a flawed institution, as shown in TCW and PT, is brought up by Luke.
And showing that Luke's destiny was being dominated by the Dark Side, as Yoda warned him it would, is another connection.
And finally one of the biggest thematic connections I've noticed, is something that was said in the trailer. "Confronting fear, is the destiny of a Jedi." Confronting fear and what a person does when they do is one of the most important themes in Star Wars. The only theme more important is, selfless love saves.
vader45
Sr Member
Star Wars is as popular as ever compared to the number of replies to the other threads in this section. The numbers favor Star Wars. Plus there are multiple star wars theads on page one alone. The prop section beats the DC and marvel section by like 100k or more replies. I read that someone said these discussions are not getting as much attention these days when in fact the number of replies say other wise. There are opinions negative or positive that tell us how invested fans are to the franchise compared to any other. Hell how old is this thread? Show me a pre/post release thread that has this many replies.
Anyway. I really enjoyed TFA. I thought it was a perfect intro to the ST. Then TLJ happened. It took TFA and shat on it hard. No one but Poe received any character development and i think Poe's wasnt even intentional by Ruin Johnson. It went no where and I mean no where. I was so let down when the cave scene revealed NOTHING about Rey. TLJ crashed the ST and is the sole reason why people have any negativity towards it. TLJ is the Star Wars version of Seinfeld. The space wars about nothing. And I was pissed about the lack of a traditional lightsaber fight. I think best course of action is to retconn TJL and make a new EP VIII with out Ruin Johnson. And the political nonsense on Canto Bite about the animal abusing war profiteering people just made Ruin Johnson look more like a fool and an idiot. He has no respect for the franchise.
Now I think and this is my opinion that JJ was brought back to correct TLJ after the backlash on it from fans. No matter what they say that it's true or not there are some small elements in the film that so retconn TLJ such as Kylo repairing his helmet and using it again. I thought he did good with TFA and will try to make good with what he is given and where the trilogy stands at this point.
I will say this again. WE NEED PALPATINE TO HAVE A CLOSURE TO THE SKYWALKER SAGA. Lucasfilm/Kathleen Kennedy decided to make the ST after the sale. So we are stuck with the trilogy and this film being the end of the saga. We need palps. He is Anakin's father and Ben's great-grandfather. Palps was being everything from the start. Ignore ROTJ and look at the story as a whole, all nine films. It would be awkward to have a grand finale with out the dude who master minded every event that took place.
I look at ROTJs ending as a father saving his son and proving that it's possible to turn from the dark side. Untill Anakin turns back I don't see that ending being undone.
BUT I do feel Palpatines return is somewhat jacked into IX as a way to get fans back in theater seats and save the trilogy. TFA and TLJ do not hinybat his return or even set it up. This film has a lot riding on it, more so then the last too. Because of that it can be screwed up real easily and become a mess of a film. It's like the entire trilogy is all on this film. It wouldnt be this way if Ruin Johnson didn't jack all over the ST with his disrespectful take of a film.
Anyway. I really enjoyed TFA. I thought it was a perfect intro to the ST. Then TLJ happened. It took TFA and shat on it hard. No one but Poe received any character development and i think Poe's wasnt even intentional by Ruin Johnson. It went no where and I mean no where. I was so let down when the cave scene revealed NOTHING about Rey. TLJ crashed the ST and is the sole reason why people have any negativity towards it. TLJ is the Star Wars version of Seinfeld. The space wars about nothing. And I was pissed about the lack of a traditional lightsaber fight. I think best course of action is to retconn TJL and make a new EP VIII with out Ruin Johnson. And the political nonsense on Canto Bite about the animal abusing war profiteering people just made Ruin Johnson look more like a fool and an idiot. He has no respect for the franchise.
Now I think and this is my opinion that JJ was brought back to correct TLJ after the backlash on it from fans. No matter what they say that it's true or not there are some small elements in the film that so retconn TLJ such as Kylo repairing his helmet and using it again. I thought he did good with TFA and will try to make good with what he is given and where the trilogy stands at this point.
I will say this again. WE NEED PALPATINE TO HAVE A CLOSURE TO THE SKYWALKER SAGA. Lucasfilm/Kathleen Kennedy decided to make the ST after the sale. So we are stuck with the trilogy and this film being the end of the saga. We need palps. He is Anakin's father and Ben's great-grandfather. Palps was being everything from the start. Ignore ROTJ and look at the story as a whole, all nine films. It would be awkward to have a grand finale with out the dude who master minded every event that took place.
I look at ROTJs ending as a father saving his son and proving that it's possible to turn from the dark side. Untill Anakin turns back I don't see that ending being undone.
BUT I do feel Palpatines return is somewhat jacked into IX as a way to get fans back in theater seats and save the trilogy. TFA and TLJ do not hinybat his return or even set it up. This film has a lot riding on it, more so then the last too. Because of that it can be screwed up real easily and become a mess of a film. It's like the entire trilogy is all on this film. It wouldnt be this way if Ruin Johnson didn't jack all over the ST with his disrespectful take of a film.
Nowhere in canon does it say Palpatine is in anyway involved in Anakin's creation and/or birth.
Yes it does. Issue 25 of Marvel's Darth Vader comic says thats what happened. The LFL Story Group says all the Marvel Star Wars comics are canon.
I stand corrected.
Can't say i'm hugely impressed that they've done that though. Was far more interesting to me that Palpatine had nothing to do with his creation.
HeartBlade
Sr Member
I’m actually confused on what is canon and non-canon in the Star Wars verse now.
From my understanding, everything that isn’t the movies or Disney books post 2014 are non canon.
The Difference Between Star Wars Canon and Legends
A look at the difference between the Canon and Legends timelines in Star Wars literature.
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I did think this was a good move initially since the expanded universe would be a huge challenge for Disney to work with. But now I don’t know.
I do think a Star Wars could work without Palpatine though. A story about post-war reconstruction and implementing democracy after a huge power vacuum would have been interesting. I could also see Kylo being tricked to support the First Order from a desire to be a hero like Anakin and Luke trying to keep his nephew out of war due to leia’s request or something.
That's largely what the old EU centered on was the reconstruction effort and trying to unite the systems that still had imperial remnants to rejoin the republic. There was interesting story potential in that though some books explored it better than others.
There are some cool looking shots in the latest trailer just from a visual perspective. The set where Kylo and Rey are cutting that pedestal down is a gorgeous set.
There are some cool looking shots in the latest trailer just from a visual perspective. The set where Kylo and Rey are cutting that pedestal down is a gorgeous set.
I’m actually confused on what is canon and non-canon in the Star Wars verse now.
From my understanding, everything that isn’t the movies or Disney books post 2014 are non canon.
The Difference Between Star Wars Canon and Legends
A look at the difference between the Canon and Legends timelines in Star Wars literature.
I did think this was a good move initially since the expanded universe would be a huge challenge for Disney to work with. But now I don’t know.
I do think a Star Wars could work without Palpatine though. A story about post-war reconstruction and implementing democracy after a huge power vacuum would have been interesting. I could also see Kylo being tricked to support the First Order from a desire to be a hero like Anakin and Luke trying to keep his nephew out of war due to leia’s request or something.
The EU did need abandoning for me. It had become too convoluted and would have restricted the new ideas that are being brought into the comics etc.
I was just behind on the Vader comics so never knew the new info on Anakin's origin. Though now I do know it, I wish I didn't
Mr Webber
Master Member
Luke Skywalker : "Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi"
Rian Johnson : "Hold my beer"
JJ Abrams : "Two opposing fleets in a tight formation do battle with no Holdo maneuver"
Rian Johnson : "Hold my beer"
Disney Shills : "The ST is fantastic and Johnson is a genius"
Me : "There aint enough beer"
Rian Johnson : "Hold my beer"
JJ Abrams : "Two opposing fleets in a tight formation do battle with no Holdo maneuver"
Rian Johnson : "Hold my beer"
Disney Shills : "The ST is fantastic and Johnson is a genius"
Me : "There aint enough beer"
Joek3rr
Master Member
It's not actually confirmed that he's his "father." I mean the stuff Vader sees when he goes through that portal isn't exactly true. And Shmi is well into her pregnancy. The suggestion is that he could possibly be involved with Anakin's miraculous conception or growth. Which is hinted at in ROTS.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Um Luke's failing at confronting the fear of loss is exactly what his story is all about. Fear of loss, fear of failing.
So the Holdo maneuver wouldn't work, with some things. First you need a big ship with experimental shields. Second you need a bigger ship for that big ship to ram into, so that it consumes it's self and becomes a column of plasma. That's not to say the FO couldn't send a Resurgent-class into hyperspace through the formation. It would still do lots of damage. Just not Holdo maneuver levels of damage.
Mr Webber
Master Member
Rubbish. Johnson's Jake Skywalker did nothing and even at the end his "out of body" confrontation was merely a gesture, nothing more than a plot device to kill him off.
How convenient of the "Resistance" to send a mosquito fleet only against an entire fleet of Star Destroyers. An entire fleet of them no less. Your boy Rian ruined the concept of space battles in Star Wars forever. Experimental shields, lol.
How convenient of the "Resistance" to send a mosquito fleet only against an entire fleet of Star Destroyers. An entire fleet of them no less. Your boy Rian ruined the concept of space battles in Star Wars forever. Experimental shields, lol.
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