ConvergencePro
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***** ******... Ever heard of a character arc?
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)
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***** ******... Ever heard of a character arc?
Joek3rr
Master Member
Bad day?
ConvergencePro
Master Member
Apologies, end of the semester stress hahaha
But my point in saying that is those are all things in the OT that Luke grew out of or overcame to become the hero he is at the end of ROTJ, as someone for the audience to aspire to be like. The whole point of the Hero’s Journey character arc cycle form of storytelling.
You’re making it out like a character who’s already completed their Heros Journey character arc would/could suddenly just revert to their flawed self at random which is simply not how that’s intended to work because what’s the point in a character arc if they never truly grow from something
gedmac66
Sr Member
I’m hoping the only ‘ expectations ‘ subverted with this ever happening will be his own !
HeartBlade
Sr Member
In the book, The Art of The Force Awakens, one of the characters, a Jedi named Kira, is described as a “loner, hothead, gear-headed, badass.”
Literally next to gearhead and being hotheaded is a flaw which current Rey lacks.
Well if Pablo changed it, then it is still a change.
The character buildup of Luke in V shows he also has the potential to fall to the dark side due to the love he has for his friends. That would be set up. The actual fall (was planning to strike his nephew down cause he saw darkness in him) is not, especially when he fought to believe in his father who was already with the dark.
Now if Ben subverted his expectations and willingly went to the dark side on his own volition despite Luke’s trust in him, that would have made sense.
jhazard
Sr Member
It's not set up that such behavior is his destiny to forever react in such a way
(as no sequels were on the map at that point).
it's set up as a lesson to be learned. Had he failed to realize it and learn, the ending would have been much different.
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So decided to watch TFA in these last nights before....
Well turns out the download I have looks like 480p... whoever encoded it sucks.
I have the blu ray, but the idea of getting it out, starting up the blu ray player (which I could go for a long walk by the time it’s ready to go) and then go through 8 menu animations..
so anyway I have Disney + now....
and HOLY CRAP THERE’S A LOT ON THIS!!!
I’m almost frozen with indecision and I went in there with a PURPOSE!!!!
anyway, I’m super baked, so welcome to “NeoRutty gets baked and comments on 4K TFA” part of the thread.
this seems like a good idea.
- everyone talks about rogue ones whole war vibe... but this opening assault on the village is brutal
- “look how old you’ve become” is such a great first line. It was also on my 40th bday cake. 4K looks great, btw.
Kylo has such a bad a$$ silhouette.
- Poe’s face inside the hanger of the star destroyer definitely gives a sense he’s in awe of the scale of the first order - seeing it first hand.... always liked that.
-watching the scene of Rey fixing her meal.. I like that TFA is really chill and takes its time... the last jedi didn’t feel like it ever took its time and it’s like 8 hours long.
- wish they had done more with Rey’s costume design colours. Luke went from white to beige to black. Rey is like beige to kinda grey to more white... all the costume design in this movie is great. Distinct recognizable. Good names too... easily remembered - Rey Finn Poe Hux Kylo Hans Ape-Dog and Carrie Fisher
- you really gotta man crush when you’ll wear his leather jacket in a desert.
- Fins angered reaction to getting shocked repeatedly by BB-8 is great. Boyega is really good in this... “well this is what we look like. Some of us. Others look different” is the Abrams dialogue I fell in love with back on Felicity.
“The garbage will do!” Still great
- When the freighter shows up over the falcon and fin weirdly climbs over Rey... just ... weird. Just needed to be said.
“Part time.” It’s Hans!!
- ugh... I hate that “Moof Milker” is an insulting term by a hardened smuggler.
- oh good Rathtars! I have to pee. My pause button is broken. (Though I do like Harry Potter’s “tell that to kanjiklub” dialogue)
- Harrison Ford is killing it. His hair is not. I’m not sure why it’s wrong but it is.
- I like Rey’s gun. I forgot how cool it was... or maybe I’ve just seen it for the first time after a long time and my mind has slowly fallen for it. Damn now I want one. I bet they’re cheap.
- this is a cool cantina. I think the thing that sets it waaaay above the cantina in Solo is that there’s light.
- “The call to the light” - huh. Don’t know if I really took in that line before... like he’s straight up being called to be a good dude by the force. Aw.
- Rey’s vision when she touches the saber is cool... I always took it that the saber didn’t call Rey but the force led her to it. I mean the saber didn’t unlock the door for her. I know that’s what Maz said, but she didn’t mean literally - At least in my guess... I mean she next says the force surrounds all “living things” - but since she looks like my crazy hippy aunt who says crazy stuff all the time like that... I’m gonna take it as that. Crazy rambling lady.
- Rey just killed two storm troopers, looked at her gun in shock, then aggressively shot at two more. Rey likes murder.
- I bet if you asked a bunch of TFA fans what Hans’s nickname for Fin was, they wouldn’t know. It’s also a nickname for a nickname. I wouldn’t have known.
- Rey shoots at Kylo like 10 times and doesn’t come close to hitting him on 7 of them... what a Mary Sue.
- Kylo could have had more of his men killed just to get BB-8 but pulled the division cuz he knew Rey was enough. Kylo is a good dude.
- Fin running after Kyos ship. What are you gonna do when you catch it, just normal guy?
- I have a crush on Billie lourde (sp?)
- Hans going for the head hug on Leia is cringe.
- Old Carrie Fisher and Young Carrie Fisher show no resemblance at all - it’s so weird. If they were mother daughter I’d be like “adopted?”
- I can’t believe it’s 1:26 in before Kylo showa face. He doesn’t even look like Adam Driver. Adam driver just rules at dialogue. His cadence is so great. He’ll be one of those impressions people will start doing in time. Calling it now.
though I said that about Alan Rickman, and I’m the only one who ever seems to do that one...
- JJ knew we didn’t want to see grandma and grandpa kiss. There was no way to make it work. Elderly peck on the lips or Elderly passionate kiss? you pick your poison.
-Fin must have that parasite you get from cat poo that makes you completely disregard your mortality.
I like Fin’s character, but the new order would need to be like a Taika Waititi movie for him to have that personality... Kylo properly acts like someone who’s been brainwashed.
.
- still great.
- still more greater
I stand by belief that if this was a standalone movie, in a world where Star Wars didn’t exist, this would be a huuuuuuge hit. And you can say that’s because it’s just a remake of star wars, But there could easily be a disastrous remake no one would like. It looks great. Sounds great. Dialogue is great. Top notch performances. Fun characters.
112/120 stars wars.
Rogue One is terrible
Well turns out the download I have looks like 480p... whoever encoded it sucks.
I have the blu ray, but the idea of getting it out, starting up the blu ray player (which I could go for a long walk by the time it’s ready to go) and then go through 8 menu animations..
so anyway I have Disney + now....
and HOLY CRAP THERE’S A LOT ON THIS!!!
I’m almost frozen with indecision and I went in there with a PURPOSE!!!!
anyway, I’m super baked, so welcome to “NeoRutty gets baked and comments on 4K TFA” part of the thread.
this seems like a good idea.
- everyone talks about rogue ones whole war vibe... but this opening assault on the village is brutal
- “look how old you’ve become” is such a great first line. It was also on my 40th bday cake. 4K looks great, btw.
Kylo has such a bad a$$ silhouette.
- Poe’s face inside the hanger of the star destroyer definitely gives a sense he’s in awe of the scale of the first order - seeing it first hand.... always liked that.
-watching the scene of Rey fixing her meal.. I like that TFA is really chill and takes its time... the last jedi didn’t feel like it ever took its time and it’s like 8 hours long.
- wish they had done more with Rey’s costume design colours. Luke went from white to beige to black. Rey is like beige to kinda grey to more white... all the costume design in this movie is great. Distinct recognizable. Good names too... easily remembered - Rey Finn Poe Hux Kylo Hans Ape-Dog and Carrie Fisher
- you really gotta man crush when you’ll wear his leather jacket in a desert.
- Fins angered reaction to getting shocked repeatedly by BB-8 is great. Boyega is really good in this... “well this is what we look like. Some of us. Others look different” is the Abrams dialogue I fell in love with back on Felicity.
“The garbage will do!” Still great
- When the freighter shows up over the falcon and fin weirdly climbs over Rey... just ... weird. Just needed to be said.
“Part time.” It’s Hans!!
- ugh... I hate that “Moof Milker” is an insulting term by a hardened smuggler.
- oh good Rathtars! I have to pee. My pause button is broken. (Though I do like Harry Potter’s “tell that to kanjiklub” dialogue)
- Harrison Ford is killing it. His hair is not. I’m not sure why it’s wrong but it is.
- I like Rey’s gun. I forgot how cool it was... or maybe I’ve just seen it for the first time after a long time and my mind has slowly fallen for it. Damn now I want one. I bet they’re cheap.
- this is a cool cantina. I think the thing that sets it waaaay above the cantina in Solo is that there’s light.
- “The call to the light” - huh. Don’t know if I really took in that line before... like he’s straight up being called to be a good dude by the force. Aw.
- Rey’s vision when she touches the saber is cool... I always took it that the saber didn’t call Rey but the force led her to it. I mean the saber didn’t unlock the door for her. I know that’s what Maz said, but she didn’t mean literally - At least in my guess... I mean she next says the force surrounds all “living things” - but since she looks like my crazy hippy aunt who says crazy stuff all the time like that... I’m gonna take it as that. Crazy rambling lady.
- Rey just killed two storm troopers, looked at her gun in shock, then aggressively shot at two more. Rey likes murder.
- I bet if you asked a bunch of TFA fans what Hans’s nickname for Fin was, they wouldn’t know. It’s also a nickname for a nickname. I wouldn’t have known.
- Rey shoots at Kylo like 10 times and doesn’t come close to hitting him on 7 of them... what a Mary Sue.
- Kylo could have had more of his men killed just to get BB-8 but pulled the division cuz he knew Rey was enough. Kylo is a good dude.
- Fin running after Kyos ship. What are you gonna do when you catch it, just normal guy?
- I have a crush on Billie lourde (sp?)
- Hans going for the head hug on Leia is cringe.
- Old Carrie Fisher and Young Carrie Fisher show no resemblance at all - it’s so weird. If they were mother daughter I’d be like “adopted?”
- I can’t believe it’s 1:26 in before Kylo showa face. He doesn’t even look like Adam Driver. Adam driver just rules at dialogue. His cadence is so great. He’ll be one of those impressions people will start doing in time. Calling it now.
though I said that about Alan Rickman, and I’m the only one who ever seems to do that one...
- JJ knew we didn’t want to see grandma and grandpa kiss. There was no way to make it work. Elderly peck on the lips or Elderly passionate kiss? you pick your poison.
-Fin must have that parasite you get from cat poo that makes you completely disregard your mortality.
I like Fin’s character, but the new order would need to be like a Taika Waititi movie for him to have that personality... Kylo properly acts like someone who’s been brainwashed.
.
- still great.
- still more greater
I stand by belief that if this was a standalone movie, in a world where Star Wars didn’t exist, this would be a huuuuuuge hit. And you can say that’s because it’s just a remake of star wars, But there could easily be a disastrous remake no one would like. It looks great. Sounds great. Dialogue is great. Top notch performances. Fun characters.
112/120 stars wars.
Rogue One is terrible
sztriki
Sr Member
That movie still has so much going for it. Mate of mine was over the other day and looked at my shelf of DVDs/Blurays and laughed at TFA standing there on its own...if TROS turbs out to be turd I would still prob hold on to TFA, it has plenty of merits and a very enjoyable movie. Shame about what came after, see if I’ll be able to skip that dodgy step in the staircase. I completely skip and ignore the PT, and moved
on and would have no problem with this either had I not enjoyed TFA and what it was promising. Will report back on Saturday with a long and boring post...
HeartBlade
Sr Member
To be fair, how do you make a good movie following TLJ? Tried it myself as an experiment and failed miserably as expected.
I don’t think this is all on J.J. to be fair. He is basically set up to fail.
I don’t think this is all on J.J. to be fair. He is basically set up to fail.
Egon Spengler
Master Member
I want this movie to be good, but if it's as bad as the reviews are making it out to be I honestly hope it TANKS. I doubt it will. I'm still fighting with myself over going to see it as soon as I can or just waiting a while.
HeartBlade
Sr Member
There is jumanji which seems to be ok but not great. Kind of a dearth of good movies for competition.
There is a my hero academia movie coming out in Japan and given its popularity, it might beat RoS like Yokai Watch beat TFA lol.
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Not a chance. At this point I think it could be an hour and a half of JJ Abrams farting into a bucket and the movie would still break a billion in ticket sales. For one, it's the end of the saga, but also: I don't know what the marketing budget was, but based on what I've seen, between ads, product tie ins, and promotions, I'm guessing a marketing budget somewhere around 2-3 gazillion dollars.
did they build a special ROOM for this?
In this case, not necessarily. Even if it lost money due to marketing and budget, it wouldn't matter, as long as ticket sales break records. It's not a stand alone project, the franchise is what's important and the franchise needs this one to have high numbers that everyone can point to. To be honest, I wasn't even criticizing. As a business decision it's wise: whatever it takes marketing wise to get tickets sold for this one. If the gross doesn't break a billion by New Years it would be a disaster. Net doesn't matter, it's just one piece of a big picture, but they absolutely have to be able to say that it had a high gross.
Sorry this was a dig at people before your post stating people only make AAA movies for the love it and not to make money.
HMSwolfe
Master Member
If anything, you shouldn’t be trusting positive reviews for TROS, because audience scores aren’t posted at the moment (which is where most “troll” reviews come from) and it’s far more likely that pandering and positive (and paid-off) critic reviews are bringing the score up. I just took a brief look at some of the reviews on Flixster, and every phrase I’ve used to describe how this film would turn out is being used there. Safe, pandering fan-service, a film that no one will hate rather than a film people will love, and it goes on and on. Most of the positive reviews are focused on the strength of the actors, like Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver, and the remainder of the positive are the sort of glistening, nonsensical generalities that don’t address any actual elements of the film.
DARTH ANIBAL
Sr Member
It's the end of an era. Will this thread be locked Thursday evening/Friday? Curious to see how many post in the post-release thread, since you know, so many are not gonna see TROS, AT ALL. Like, EVER. That should limit the conversation to people who have actually seen it, no?
I know, right?!
Not entirely sure, but do Pre-release threads normally get locked Post-release? I think it would be good practice. On the other hand, if it gives people who will never see the movie a place to commiserate, then I'm all for leaving it open.
That's an awfully childish stance, no? Pretty much equivalent to holding your hand right in front of a sibling's face and taunting them with, "I'm not touching you!" Sorry (not really), broken rules or not, I don't see the point in posting in a Post-release thread just to proudly (wtf?) proclaim, "I didn't and won't ever see _______!" If a person watched the movie and wants to present a valid critique, great. My point is not the censoring of dissenting opinions. But maybe if people don't "exercise their God given right to just ignore stuff" and instead choose to incessantly whine about it...I don't know, if the shoe fits, right? That goes both ways, doesn't it?
I was right there with you until you said Rogue One was terrible, but at least you spelled "Rogue" correctly.
And if you haven't seen Marriage Story on Netflix, do yourself that favor. It's heavy, especially for anyone who's gone through a rough divorce, but Adam Driver is CRAZY good in it.
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