Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[Mr Webber]

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George wanted to set a trilogy in the microscopic world of midiclorians. He wanted to make a Star Wars-Fantastic Voyage movie.

I can understand Disney/LFL passing on that idea.

Did he though? I havent seen anything expansive explained about his extremely loose synopsis about his three film layout. Are we just making a massive leap?

 

[HeartBlade]

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Did he though? I havent seen anything expansive explained about his extremely loose synopsis about his three film layout. Are we just making a massive leap?

I think it’s the idea of the first draft or the treatment he sold to Disney. I think it is disingenuous to say blame Lucas when he sold his treatments for the sequel and they were literally thrown into the trash bin. Lucas is clean on this.

I do agree the idea comes off as WTF to me but at least it is something drastically new. I do think Lucas needs a controlling force like Spielberg to at least bounce some ideas off.

But given Disney’s money, they can definitely fund a Lucas/Spielberg Star Wars and I want to see that.

 

[Joek3rr]

Exactly. I don't think it was even billed as a "continuation" of it at all? When TFA came out, it was all about the OG characters stepping up to usher in the new ones. There was nothing about sewing up the Skywalker Saga....

Until TLJ screwed the pooch and Solo lost money. Then they needed a hook, and started on that path. Suppose I could be wrong - when is the first public promotion of "ending the Skywalker Saga"?

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And Disney was under zero obligation continue George's wishes. They certainly had no problem trashing the treatments he sold to them.

You don't get to blame George for this mess, lol.

I'm not blaming anyone. All I'm saying is George got the ball rolling when he and Kathy hired Michael Arndt to write episode 7 before he even sold the company.

 

[HeartBlade]

I’m not surprised the movie is coming off poorly to some though. TLJ was a terrible midquel so J.J. is going to have a difficult time wrapping up the “trilogy”. Nevermind the fact that J.J. also has a history of being bad at ending his stories. He is definitely good at making mystery boxes but not at revealing their contents.

 

[Joek3rr]

I think it’s the idea of the first draft or the treatment he sold to Disney. I think it is disingenuous to say blame Lucas when he sold his treatments for the sequel and they were literally thrown into the trash bin. Lucas is clean on this.

I do agree the idea comes off as WTF to me but at least it is something drastically new. I do think Lucas needs a controlling force like Spielberg to at least bounce some ideas off.

But given Disney’s money, they can definitely fund a Lucas/Spielberg Star Wars and I want to see that.

They didn't throw everything way. A few bits of his story made it in the Sequel Trilogy. And I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of his ideas aren't recycled and used in another project some time later.

 

[ConvergencePro]

Anybody seen the Zoo going down over at the IMDB ratings? Started out at people giving 10/10’s pre release, then 0/10’s and now it’s just a dumpster fire beyond measure

 

[NeoRutty]

Seems like some need to exercise their God given right to just ignore stuff

You would almost think that applies to people who have no desire to see a flick... and the threads about it for people who have a huge desire....

But I guess there is a god given right to complain to the end of the earth when a movie is not how you saw it in your head.

 

[Mr Webber]

They didn't throw everything way. A few bits of his story made it in the Sequel Trilogy. And I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of his ideas aren't recycled and used in another project some time later.

Enlighten us, what were Georges story lines and what exactly did and didnt make it in to the Disney trilogy? How do you know these things exactly as its well known now that Lucasfilm cant keep a lid on scripts but I`m sure that Lucas`s ideas are locked in a vault marked never to be released.

 

[Mr Webber]

Seems like some need to exercise their God given right to just ignore stuff

You would almost think that applies to people who have no desire to see a flick... and the threads about it for people who have a huge desire....

But I guess there is a god given right to complain to the end of the earth when a movie is not how you saw it in your head.

Yeah, there is. Who are you to decide otherwise? As long as no forum rules are being broken, its all fair game. Imagine applying those rules to the cesspool that is Twitter.

 

[NeoRutty]

Where is the decision in that post...

Or are you picking what you want to read out of it like reviews...



I still can not use question marks or apostrophes on my computer... ha - Weird glitch running Avid.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Enlighten us, what were Georges story lines and what exactly did and didnt make it in to the Disney trilogy? How do you know these things exactly as its well known now that Lucasfilm cant keep a lid on scripts but I`m sure that Lucas`s ideas are locked in a vault marked never to be released.

Well, this about covers what's public about his proposed sequels

Everything George Lucas has said about his theoretical Star Wars sequel trilogy

Imagining the Episode IX of a parallel universe

www.polygon.com

 

[Mr Webber]

I simply posted two reviews that were totally unexpected having a knowledge of those two particular authors past history and pointed that out very clearly. Many would find that interesting.

ADDITION. I only posted one review and commented about another. Hmm

 

[Mr Webber]

Well, this about covers what's public about his proposed sequels

Everything George Lucas has said about his theoretical Star Wars sequel trilogy

Imagining the Episode IX of a parallel universe

www.polygon.com

Ok, but he states he dropped many of those ideas which I interpret to meaning the eventual ideas he forwarded to Disney were different.

 

[NeoRutty]

Yeah ideas mean nothing. The sold pitch on the flick I’m on now changed 180 degrees on day 2 of the writing room.

I mean really, if George had handed off “The adventures of scavenger Rey vs the First Order” to Disney, it would have ended up being a Disney movie about the shrunken adventures the world of Midichlorians.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Ok, but he states he dropped many of those ideas which I interpret to meaning the eventual ideas he forwarded to Disney were different.

Within the context of the article it seems clear to me that he dropped those ideas when working on his films, but had intended to go back to them for the sequels he didn't end up doing.

 

[Mr Webber]

Yeah ideas mean nothing. The sold pitch on the flick I’m on now changed 180 degrees on day 2 of the writing room.

I mean really, if George had handed off “The adventures of scavenger Rey vs the First Order” to Disney, it would have ended up being a Disney movie about the shrunken adventures the world of Midichlorians.

True, I am certain Kennedy had her own idea of exactly what she wanted the new trilogy to be about from the very second she had control. It was simply a matter of finding the hitmen to pull of the job.

 

[NeoRutty]

True, I am certain Kennedy had her own idea of exactly what she wanted the new trilogy to be about from the very second she had control. It was simply a matter of finding the hitmen to pull of the job.

true you DEFINITELY don’t sit on the set of 6 movies and not think “pfft... if this was my movie...”

then someone hands you the reins and a suggestion?

you wild crumple it up even as they were in ear shot walking away...

 

[Joek3rr]

Enlighten us, what were Georges story lines and what exactly did and didnt make it in to the Disney trilogy? How do you know these things exactly as its well known now that Lucasfilm cant keep a lid on scripts but I`m sure that Lucas`s ideas are locked in a vault marked never to be released.

The least unchanged part appears to be that Han and Leia's son destroy his uncle's Jedi academy. Luke goes into self-imposed exile. And a young Force sensitive female has to find him, convince him to train her and help. The biggest change is that story was told in episode 8, as opposed to episode 7.

 

[HeartBlade]

The least unchanged part appears to be that Han and Leia's son destroy his uncle's Jedi academy. Luke goes into self-imposed exile. And a young Force sensitive female has to find him, convince him to train her and help. The biggest change is that story was told in episode 8, as opposed to episode 7.

Nothing about the episodes or the son destroying the order (especially since the grandson is not force sensitive it seems).

Kira seems much more flawed that Rey, being a loner and a hot head would get her into trouble with no one to bail her out. No force sensitive grandson would be an interesting contrast.

Also, dark and depressed Luke isn’t the problem if it was properly developed. Luke suddenly thinking of killing his own grandson for not doing anything is out of left field, especially when a couple years ago he put his life on the line trusting Vader to turn good despite having proven to be evil.

 

[Joek3rr]

Nothing about the episodes or the son destroying the order (especially since the grandson is not force sensitive it seems).

Kira seems much more flawed that Rey, being a loner and a hot head would get her into trouble with no one to bail her out. No force sensitive grandson would be an interesting contrast.

Also, dark and depressed Luke isn’t the problem if it was properly developed. Luke suddenly thinking of killing his own grandson for not doing anything is out of left field, especially when a couple years ago he put his life on the line trusting Vader to turn good despite having proven to be evil.

Paraphrasing Pablo Hildago here, but 'Talon went from being The Jedi Killer and seducing the The Son, to The Son becoming The Jedi Killer.'

Kira is described as a "loner" and a "gear head", not a hot head.

Not properly developed? My friend, the OT developed that. It's set up that Luke will give into his fear of losing those he loves(like his dad) and act upon that fear, aka the Dark Side.