Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[sztriki]

It's not a contradiction.

MG-100 StarFortress SF-17 heavy bomber

The MG-100 StarFortress SF-17 heavy bomber, also known as the B/SF-17 heavy bomber, was a model of heavy bomber manufactured by Slayn & Korpil for use by the New Republic during the late stages of the Galactic Civil War. Following the Galactic Concordance and New Republic disarmament, the ship...

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The modular bombing magazine, called the "clip" by the bomber's crew,[1] would drop the bombs through sequenced electromagnetic plates in the clip, which propelled the bombs to "drop" in microgravity environments. The bombs would then be drawn magnetically to their targets.

I’m sorry, I know I’m derailing the thread and nitpick but that’s an even stupider explanation than the momentum one. Just to confirm I understand it, the bomb got magnetically launched from the bomber and magnetically went for the star destroyer? So number one, magnets usually go for whatever is closest which in this case the bomber itself unless it has space zimmerit. Plus anyone who’s seen a really strong magnet being dropped knows that it’s pretty quick in getting attached to anything that it can instead of gently dropping like those.
And again I’m totally conscious that I’m nitpicking here and just for the record the bombs themselves haven’t really bothered me in the movie I just took it as a WW2 reference which prob could have been placed better elsewhere.
Anyhoos, back on topic, since I have a xmas trip planned I’ll prob see it on the 21st. I always skipped opening week and waited a week or two to have the crazed and annoying masses go out but prob gonna go into the thick of it this time.

 

[The Terminator]

I sincerely hope the guy is pulling our collective leg. Especially with a name like that, otherwise - heavy medication.

Now, where is that facepalm emoji, when you need it?

 

[ConvergencePro]

Whats even dumber is you can see one of these stupid slow-ass tinfoil bombers that did far more harm to its surrounding friendly ships just in exploding shrapnel alone than they ever did to the FO dreadnaught within that large super tight grouped formation in the trailer for TROS...
Its like they completely forgot

 

[BTTUK]

But this is why I have issues with the second half of the movie. In the first half of the movie it’s basic real world space physics 101 with momentum and movement in space. Surely then the issue of running out of fuel would not be so burning (no pun intended), because the ships can just do the same: reach top speed, turn off the engines and go by momentum only needing engines to course correct.
I know SW is not proper scifi, we have sound in space, lightbeam that stops at around a metre to form a baton, hyperspace (whatever it is) etc and all ships always had their engines on in every movie because they were emulating old school dogfights but it’s still a contradiction within a single film on how things move in space.

I never claimed that Star Wars was ever consistent with how it applies real world physics with the in universe technology, just pointing out it that such a mixing of both can work.

I mean look at how a lightsaber supposedly makes clean cuts and cauterises, yet in the OT and PT blood is seen from cutting someone.

If anything, my point is a criticism of the explanation they officially used.

Yes in real life explosives can utilise the different magnetic fields to destroy an enemy ship and not a friendly one (which hemisphere a ship is built in, can give it a different "signature"). To me that is taking it way too far for a Star Wars film, and that if they'd have just used the gravity explanation then it'd be far better, and far easier to understand and accept.

I wouldn't even attempt to excuse the running out of fuel part of the plot. Simply because I think it's a completely pointless part of the plot that doesn't make sense.

 

[BTTUK]

It's not a contradiction.

MG-100 StarFortress SF-17 heavy bomber

The MG-100 StarFortress SF-17 heavy bomber, also known as the B/SF-17 heavy bomber, was a model of heavy bomber manufactured by Slayn & Korpil for use by the New Republic during the late stages of the Galactic Civil War. Following the Galactic Concordance and New Republic disarmament, the ship...

starwars.fandom.com

The modular bombing magazine, called the "clip" by the bomber's crew,[1] would drop the bombs through sequenced electromagnetic plates in the clip, which propelled the bombs to "drop" in microgravity environments. The bombs would then be drawn magnetically to their targets.

Yeah, that just is them trying to make up a sci-fi explantion that just wasn't needed, for the sake of it.

 

[sztriki]

I never claimed that Star Wars was ever consistent with how it applies real world physics with the in universe technology, just pointing out it that such a mixing of both can work.

I mean look at how a lightsaber supposedly makes clean cuts and cauterises, yet in the OT and PT blood is seen from cutting someone.

If anything, my point is a criticism of the explanation they officially used.

Yes in real life explosives can utilise the different magnetic fields to destroy an enemy ship and not a friendly one (which hemisphere a ship is built in, can give it a different "signature"). To me that is taking it way too far for a Star Wars film, and that if they'd have just used the gravity explanation then it'd be far better, and far easier to understand and accept.

I wouldn't even attempt to excuse the running out of fuel part of the plot. Simply because I think it's a completely pointless part of the plot that doesn't make sense.

Agreed with every word.
And again, the falling bombs themselves really wouldn’t bother me, it’s more like the official people are trying to dig their way out of something that really wasn’t a deep ditch.

In an attempt to get the discussion back on topic...

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker originally didn't have Emperor Palpatine

It all changed when JJ Abrams took control.

www.digitalspy.com

 

[ConvergencePro]

Rumor is TROS Palpatine looks like Episode 3 “Monster Mash”Palpatine and not ROTJ Palpatine

 

[Laspector]

He's 50. But still he's toddler with no training! What a Gary Stu!

That's a damn good point. Why aren't all the Mary Sue callers going nuts over this? How dare anyone have Force powers without being trained!! What horrible, lazy writing.

 

[Joek3rr]

I’m sorry, I know I’m derailing the thread and nitpick but that’s an even stupider explanation than the momentum one. Just to confirm I understand it, the bomb got magnetically launched from the bomber and magnetically went for the star destroyer? So number one, magnets usually go for whatever is closest which in this case the bomber itself unless it has space zimmerit. Plus anyone who’s seen a really strong magnet being dropped knows that it’s pretty quick in getting attached to anything that it can instead of gently dropping like those.
And again I’m totally conscious that I’m nitpicking here and just for the record the bombs themselves haven’t really bothered me in the movie I just took it as a WW2 reference which prob could have been placed better elsewhere.
Anyhoos, back on topic, since I have a xmas trip planned I’ll prob see it on the 21st. I always skipped opening week and waited a week or two to have the crazed and annoying masses go out but prob gonna go into the thick of it this time.

They visual guide says they are drawn magnetically to the target. They could easily be electromagnetics that are switched on, after they have cleared the bomber. You have to have some sort of force pulling or pushing the bombs, or they would just stop moving. Because that's how space works in Star Wars.

 

[Psab keel]

I haven't said anything because I haven't seen the show. Though I did see a clip of him sitting up in his crib while using the Force ( to load his diaper perhaps ) and I laughed because it was so goofy looking. I dislike the term Mary Sue. While the argument fits, there has to be a better term for it. Perhaps Plot Bender? Because the plot will bend to accommodate a character whose attributes overwhelm it.

 

[Joek3rr]

I haven't said anything because I haven't seen the show. Though I did see a clip of him sitting up in his crib while using the Force ( to load his diaper perhaps ) and I laughed because it was so goofy looking. I dislike the term Mary Sue. While the argument fits, there has to be a better term for it. Perhaps Plot Bender? Because the plot will bend to accommodate a character whose attributes overwhelm it.

I won't spoil it for you, but The Child uses the Force twice.

 

[Psab keel]

I've read some things though I'm not concerned with spoilers. I'm not sure I'm even going to watch it.

 

[ConvergencePro]

The reason people probably aren’t harping on Baby Yoda as a “Gary Stu” is two fold I think..
1.) Its not our freaking main character... our protagonist that the audience needs to relate to along their journey.. which is the actual issue with Rey
2.) We have zero context about this things past the last 50 years of it life whereas we know Rey was simply abandoned on Jaku and was living as a scavenger with no apparent inherent force abilities until they magically appear

 

[jhazard]

It's not a like comparison, this creature is over twice the age of Rey (Rey, who's had less training than Luke at the end of ESB) And it's probably twice the age of Luke after ROTJ.

That's a massive. Especially since Rey shows how fast one can master the force. Even if this creature didn't begin some training until it was 25... It has an exponential head start on Rey.

We saw Rey go from zero force awareness/practical usage to 60 just like that. We know where Rey started (she thought it was a myth) - at zero. Nothing, no force awareness or practical engagement. We don't know the history of baby Yoda, we just witness he/she doing it's thing. It could have been trained (Rey wasn't) it could be naturally more adept (Rey isn't) with the Force in general.

 

[Joek3rr]

It's not a like comparison, this creature is over twice the age of Rey (Rey, who's had less training than Luke at the end of ESB) And it's probably twice the age of Luke after ROTJ.

That's a massive. Especially since Rey shows how fast one can master the force. Even if this creature didn't begin some training until it was 25... It has an exponential head start on Rey.

We saw Rey go from zero force awareness/practical usage to 60 just like that. We know where Rey started (she thought it was a myth) - at zero. Nothing, no force awareness or practical engagement. We don't know the history of baby Yoda, we just witness he/she doing it's thing. It could have been trained (Rey wasn't) it could be naturally more adept (Rey isn't) with the Force in general.

But Rey hasn't mastered the Force. Not in the least. Pretty much everything Rey has done has been reflexive. Where either her life or someone else's life is in danger, she can pull this stuff off. But yet we've yet to see her sit down and consciously do something. Apparently this something that being explored in the comics, and by all accounts it will be explored in TROS. This goes back to Ben's statement that she's strong but lacks training.

Also I'd say that Rey is pretty naturally adept with the Force. Just looking at what she's done. So to say that The Child is, and she isn't, is incorrect.

 

[Scarecrow Joe]

So, some people find those bombers absurd in the way these dropped the bombs... Again looking selectively aint we? In a movie where spaceships make cool sounds, awesome explosions that tear up your speakers etc....in SPACE. In space, people.....in an almost perfect vacum defying basic laws of physics. LOL! This thread is the gift that keeps on giving....

 

[BTTUK]

Rumor is TROS Palpatine looks like Episode 3 “Monster Mash”Palpatine and not ROTJ Palpatine

That'd be slightly disappointing but not unexpected. I reckon for the majority of people it won't make a difference, and to be honest I'd be in that majority

They visual guide says they are drawn magnetically to the target. They could easily be electromagnetics that are switched on, after they have cleared the bomber. You have to have some sort of force pulling or pushing the bombs, or they would just stop moving. Because that's how space works in Star Wars.

That isn't how space works at all in Star Wars otherwise laser shots from ships weapons/turbolasers would be static and never go anywhere.

 

[Joek3rr]

That'd be slightly disappointing but not unexpected. I reckon for the majority of people it won't make a difference, and to be honest I'd be in that majority


That isn't how space works at all in Star Wars otherwise laser shots from ships weapons/turbolasers would be static and never go anywhere.

That's true. I didn't think of that. I was just thinking of that ARC-170 in ROTS that seems to instantly loose all forward momentum once it blows up.

 

[Ron]

But Rey hasn't mastered the Force. Not in the least. Pretty much everything Rey has done has been reflexive. Where either her life or someone else's life is in danger, she can pull this stuff off. But yet we've yet to see her sit down and consciously do something. Apparently this something that being explored in the comics, and by all accounts it will be explored in TROS. This goes back to Ben's statement that she's strong but lacks training.

Also I'd say that Rey is pretty naturally adept with the Force. Just looking at what she's done. So to say that The Child is, and she isn't, is incorrect.

Whether she uses the force consciously or reflexively, don't you think it would have served her character better to have had her struggle to achieve those powers rather than to have been gifted them?

 

[Joek3rr]

Whether she uses the force consciously or reflexively, don't you think it would have served her character better to have had her struggle to achieve those powers rather than to have been gifted them?

No, not really. I've seen that with Luke. Don't really need to see it again.