Prop Collector
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Cool. I'll be back in December awaiting your apology.
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)
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Cool. I'll be back in December awaiting your apology.
Those art books show a lot of great design ideas- glad to see one end up on the screen finally
That'll be a no then...
I'll personally deliver it on my favourite unicorn for you...
PantheraGem
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This actually made me more emotional than the Disney trailer. Auralnauts have done something bizarre and wonderful. Creepio lives.
Scarecrow Joe
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Bigdaddy
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Joek3rr
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ConvergencePro
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Sighh... well this all looks like hell
I like how the montage was intended to make you feel “aww this is great!”... but all I felt was “ahh... you ruined it”...
But Who Knows?!
I think Disney is going to play this next film as safe, simple and with as much OT/PT fan service crammed into it as possible to try and win people back. Straight up recovery mode with ROTSW. They have to play this safe because they have a lot more product planned to shill out on those that will gobble it up
Garbage Theory Time:
Definitely going to be a time gap this time like they should’ve done in the first place with TFA->TLJ before they wrote themselves into a corner...
Its the only thing that makes sense to do now and it will give their “characters” time to grow off screen.
I think they’re going to turn Rey into a “failed” clone of Luke that either Vader or the Emperor ordered made from Lukes severed hand. This would fill in the weird “it calls to you” gap left from TFA with the damn Graflex, and also fix the Rey parentage issue while tying in PT elements making the saga feel more attached to the pervious two. Snoke likewise might be explained off as a failed deformed clone of Palpatine and explain off how he came about and how he rose to power and was able to do the things we saw him do. Rey will likely discover this fact about herself and Snoke during the palpatine/death star wreckage thing. Or hell she could be a failed clone of Anakin even. Who the hell knows. Point being it ties into the old films and as such its the safe play. She’ll basically become Rey Skywalker without needing to be any fanfictions love child
I very much doubt Darth Rey is a thing.. especially where they decided to show it in the trailer. It would make absolutely no sense to have her turn to the dark side in the last act, and introducing a whole new sith clone character would also be jarring as hell this late in the act as well... my guess is its just a vision of “what might have been” that papa Palpatine or whatever shows her
I suspect they’ll use the time gap to have also found more recruits for the Resistance/Rebels/Whatever the hell they’re called now but will still need new capital ships that they’ll attempt to steal from a Ghost Fleet of decommissioned Imperial Star Destroyers in order to go toe to toe with the First Order... its safe, its not too outlandish, doesn’t require much backstory to explain, and it also gives all easily entertained mindless fanboys something to oggle over because “OMG the good guys are using the old bad guys ships against the new bad guys! ISNT THAT COOL!!!!”... hell they’ll probably have a big space battle again over Endor because maxim fan service
And I cant wait to see whatever garbage reason Disney comes up with for how the handful of people the Resistance has left is able to effectively use one let alone potentially hundreds of ships that normally require some 50,000 crew each in order run right
God why do movies suck so much now...
I like how the montage was intended to make you feel “aww this is great!”... but all I felt was “ahh... you ruined it”...
But Who Knows?!
I think Disney is going to play this next film as safe, simple and with as much OT/PT fan service crammed into it as possible to try and win people back. Straight up recovery mode with ROTSW. They have to play this safe because they have a lot more product planned to shill out on those that will gobble it up
Garbage Theory Time:
Definitely going to be a time gap this time like they should’ve done in the first place with TFA->TLJ before they wrote themselves into a corner...
Its the only thing that makes sense to do now and it will give their “characters” time to grow off screen.
I think they’re going to turn Rey into a “failed” clone of Luke that either Vader or the Emperor ordered made from Lukes severed hand. This would fill in the weird “it calls to you” gap left from TFA with the damn Graflex, and also fix the Rey parentage issue while tying in PT elements making the saga feel more attached to the pervious two. Snoke likewise might be explained off as a failed deformed clone of Palpatine and explain off how he came about and how he rose to power and was able to do the things we saw him do. Rey will likely discover this fact about herself and Snoke during the palpatine/death star wreckage thing. Or hell she could be a failed clone of Anakin even. Who the hell knows. Point being it ties into the old films and as such its the safe play. She’ll basically become Rey Skywalker without needing to be any fanfictions love child
I very much doubt Darth Rey is a thing.. especially where they decided to show it in the trailer. It would make absolutely no sense to have her turn to the dark side in the last act, and introducing a whole new sith clone character would also be jarring as hell this late in the act as well... my guess is its just a vision of “what might have been” that papa Palpatine or whatever shows her
I suspect they’ll use the time gap to have also found more recruits for the Resistance/Rebels/Whatever the hell they’re called now but will still need new capital ships that they’ll attempt to steal from a Ghost Fleet of decommissioned Imperial Star Destroyers in order to go toe to toe with the First Order... its safe, its not too outlandish, doesn’t require much backstory to explain, and it also gives all easily entertained mindless fanboys something to oggle over because “OMG the good guys are using the old bad guys ships against the new bad guys! ISNT THAT COOL!!!!”... hell they’ll probably have a big space battle again over Endor because maxim fan service
And I cant wait to see whatever garbage reason Disney comes up with for how the handful of people the Resistance has left is able to effectively use one let alone potentially hundreds of ships that normally require some 50,000 crew each in order run right
God why do movies suck so much now...
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Remember Vader's fleet in ESB? That was a squadron. Remember Han's comment in ROTJ about there being "a lot of command ships" like the Executor? Tucking a hundred or so ships into a nebula in the middle of nowhere, perhaps over a decade or more, isn't so resource-intensive it'd cripple the Empire. And in that conflict a hundred or so ships wouldn't have and didn't make a difference. Between various factors, by a year after Endor, the Imperial Starfleet was no longer a cohesive threat, and all the command ships had been destroyed or taken.
But thirty years later? After the Empire and New Republic had signed an armistice and largely demilitarized? After the Starkiller wiped out nearly the entirety of the New Republic Navy and government in one go? A hundred or so Star Destroyers, especially with strong leadership, could make all the difference.
I'm waiting to see what the heck is going on with all that before I pass such judgment. But if it is the case...? I don't think so. Casting down the Emperor was a gesture of defiance and reclamation and brought Anakin back to the Light. That was what Luke was there for, more than to defeat the Emperor. So Luke's victory is secure. Without knowing in what form Palpatine might be back, I could only speculate on his relevance to the Skywalker bloodline here.
That I blame on JJ's Mystery Box. By playing up his unknown-ness, it overshadowed that he was the/a leader of the First Order and the guy who somehow turned Ben. That would have been enough. The unknown-ness of the Emperor wasn't a thing back in Star Wars. There was an Empire. This implies an Emperor. Vader was referred to as his emissary everywhere back then, so he had enough clout to command the loyalty of someone like that. ESB hightened that dynamic by giving us the conversation between them. Etc. But "the First Order" doesn't imply any particular kind of heirarchy, and neither the opening crawl nor the film nor the ancillary materials gave us any of the needed info about the intervening years, how Ben got turned, how Leia and Han know/know of him, or any of that. He's the "Supreme Leader" and has an awareness of and ability with the Force. And nice slippers. And that's about all we know about him. We can't even speculate because we haven't been given anything. So I don't know if he was "supposed" to be anything.
The Brahma Bull
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There are still more than enough plot holes. Power changed. Republic was strong, got control. Why is there only a small resistance against the FO? It makes no sense at all.
It's clear JJ had no back story for Snoke and even if they add one in ROTS at the last minute it will feel out of place in an already overcrowded story.
My initial thought was that at least if Snoke was the new head baddie in TFA it would give the possibility to not have to rely on Palpatine returning to finish the job of wiping the rebellion out. In fact it never even crossed my mind that the Emperor would factor in as a threat because he died at the end of 6. Alas the mystery box approach is once again revealed to be nothing more than a hoax to distract audiences from poor writing. It's like opening a present Christmas morning only to have been gifted a middle finger.
Expectations for this film are so low that even many ST fans aren't looking forward to it's release. There is something to be said for that. The fact that 90% of the footage wasn't even from the new movie in an attempt to try and get me on board after TLJ feels a bit manipulative. I know it's trying to tie the whole saga together but it only serves to remind me of what a disjointed mess the whole affair has been. It also makes me think they don't have much confidence in their movie if they have to go that route to market it. Sure it could be a creative choice but it strikes me more as a safe marketing move than being done for artistic reasons. The movie is only a few months away.
My wife's reaction to seeing the trailer was hilarious. She graciously lets me talk her ear off about my distain for these new movies and so I wanted to show her the new trailer because the switchsaber makes me laugh so hard.
"Babe this isn't the new trailer. They are showing scenes from the other movies. When does it really start? "
No reaction to any new shots. Dark Rey shows up and I start belly laughing and she shoves the laptop into my hands and says...
"No. I can't. Why is it so bad? I'm going to bed. " She gets up and goes into the bathroom to wash up for the night and five minutes later she's in bed. I'm downstairs cackling like an idiot and say .
" I had to show you because it's so bad" in between fits of laughter.
It's like a joke to me now.
My initial thought was that at least if Snoke was the new head baddie in TFA it would give the possibility to not have to rely on Palpatine returning to finish the job of wiping the rebellion out. In fact it never even crossed my mind that the Emperor would factor in as a threat because he died at the end of 6. Alas the mystery box approach is once again revealed to be nothing more than a hoax to distract audiences from poor writing. It's like opening a present Christmas morning only to have been gifted a middle finger.
Expectations for this film are so low that even many ST fans aren't looking forward to it's release. There is something to be said for that. The fact that 90% of the footage wasn't even from the new movie in an attempt to try and get me on board after TLJ feels a bit manipulative. I know it's trying to tie the whole saga together but it only serves to remind me of what a disjointed mess the whole affair has been. It also makes me think they don't have much confidence in their movie if they have to go that route to market it. Sure it could be a creative choice but it strikes me more as a safe marketing move than being done for artistic reasons. The movie is only a few months away.
My wife's reaction to seeing the trailer was hilarious. She graciously lets me talk her ear off about my distain for these new movies and so I wanted to show her the new trailer because the switchsaber makes me laugh so hard.
"Babe this isn't the new trailer. They are showing scenes from the other movies. When does it really start? "
No reaction to any new shots. Dark Rey shows up and I start belly laughing and she shoves the laptop into my hands and says...
"No. I can't. Why is it so bad? I'm going to bed. " She gets up and goes into the bathroom to wash up for the night and five minutes later she's in bed. I'm downstairs cackling like an idiot and say .
" I had to show you because it's so bad" in between fits of laughter.
It's like a joke to me now.
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Axlotl
Master Member
"Evidently 3PO gets high. The gang gets to go to burning man and the nutcracker princess goes to the dark side."
Oh, I just can't! I know he's indifferent, but the way he said that just cracked me up.
"Cultural vandalism".
Yup...
Joek3rr
Master Member
Well Starkiller blew up the Hosnian system. In one blow the Republic was leaderless and without a fleet. Many Republic world's decided to join the First Order. Some out of fear, some because they wanted security.
Leia, whilst a senator, urged the New Republic to build its forces against the FO, but was ignored and ridiculed for it by her political opponents. One of which publicly revealed that Darth Vader was her father, which she had kept secret because she knew it would instantly ruin her politically (which it did).
This also was how Ben Solo found out who his grandfather was, which further alienated him from his parents, whom he already felt neglected and forgotten by.
All in the books available.... yeah, yeah I've heard the "why should we read books about it" argument before. Don't know the answer to that, and don't particularly care. Just sharing the info
The size of that Imperial fleet does not bother me one bit- considering that a Star Destroyer could dock at the Death Star equatorial trench (one is shown doing so in Rogue One). A small reallocation of materials and personnel could easily build a ISD fleet numbering in the hundreds of thousands
Joek3rr
Master Member
I'm going to try and answer that.
1) only so much screen time. The film makers have to pick and choose their "battles." In this case they felt they chose the lesser of two evils
2) some fans said they didn't like this in "their" Star Wars
They said it was boring. But now they are seeing that little more political background to your conflict isn't soooo bad.
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