Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)
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Scarecrow Joe
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Man, sure its getting boring seeing the same absurd critiques and, worse than that, writing a whole lot essay about them. LOL!
I'm sure most fans would have been fine with at least some of that information showing up in the finished film as long as it didn't bog down the story the way TPM did it so that it felt like CNN in space. Not every scene needed to be at a frenetic pace in order to keep my attention, which seemed to be what JJ and Kasdan felt was necessary for most of TFA, but really wasn't had their script been better.
I mean other than the opening battle in A New Hope , the first hour is fairly slow paced, taking its time to introduce Luke and the other principle characters and doing a great job of establishing the world and personals stakes of the drama. Consider too that Lucas wrote at least four to five full drafts, with lots of help from more capable writers to help him out, unlike the single draft from the prequels.
As far as I know he only had another writer help him with AOTC and for the most part the PT was made with a single draft and lots of improvisation in editing.
Exposition doesn't have to be boring.
It sure is boring seeing snide comments that don't actually contribute to the discussion pop up too.
I mean other than the opening battle in A New Hope , the first hour is fairly slow paced, taking its time to introduce Luke and the other principle characters and doing a great job of establishing the world and personals stakes of the drama. Consider too that Lucas wrote at least four to five full drafts, with lots of help from more capable writers to help him out, unlike the single draft from the prequels.
As far as I know he only had another writer help him with AOTC and for the most part the PT was made with a single draft and lots of improvisation in editing.
Exposition doesn't have to be boring.
It sure is boring seeing snide comments that don't actually contribute to the discussion pop up too.
Scarecrow Joe
Sr Member
The Rathar scene was funnier than the original alien band in ROTJ. Yet Ive not heard complains about it here. Was quite a cringy scene but of course the OT was perfect....or so it seems. One thing is sure kids found both scenes funny which is the ultimate goal, a fairy tale for kids to enjoy.
Joek3rr
Master Member
And break with the tradition of having a monster trying to turn our heroes into a midday snack part way through the film? For shame!
Scarecrow Joe
Sr Member
Your exposition as you so elegantly and solemnly put it is the same one since day 1, basically just a twist around the same theme. Yes it gets boring.
If i dont like something I simply stop thinking about it and move on. Why this constant droning and desperation to convince others is beyond me.
If i dont like something I simply stop thinking about it and move on. Why this constant droning and desperation to convince others is beyond me.
robn1
Master Member
The difference between us is that my critiques are aimed at the movies and the people who make them (which is what this thread is for). Yours are aimed at your fellow forum members. No one is giving you crap for your opinions, why can't you return that courtesy? Why do other's opinions bother you so much?
A lot had changed in the thirty years between trilogies, a few lines of exposition to fill me in on what the frig was going on would have been nice.
Your posts the last couple days suggest otherwise. And I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm merely stating my opinion, which is as valid as anyone else's.
Such scenes are always fun, and certainly part of the tradition. But when they come at the expense of story telling not so much.
Scarecrow Joe
Sr Member
IMO, Joek3r mostly reacts to the critiques, quite efectively may I add. So effective that it causes a lot of frustration and puts in perspective the poor knowledge a lot of these people really have about these stories.
Also please dont try to pass now as never attacking anyone personally. Joek3r was viciously attacked not long ago, reason why he started another thread about Star Wars. Not forgetting the recent foul language directed to me.
Also please dont try to pass now as never attacking anyone personally. Joek3r was viciously attacked not long ago, reason why he started another thread about Star Wars. Not forgetting the recent foul language directed to me.
Politics in Star Wars is not inherently boring. One only needs to compare C-SPAN against the West Wing to see how differently it can be presented.
Joek3rr
Master Member
But didn't we get a few lines of exposition? I mean the title crawl tells us everything, does it not? We're told there's a new Republic, a Resistance movement under Leia, and an Imperial remnant called the First Order. Sure it's not in the Senate talking about trade disputes detailed. But it tells what we need to know.
Which makes me think. It makes sense that JJ wouldn't want a whole lot political exposition like in the PT. He grew up on, as did most of the film-makers working on these films, watching the OT. (It seems like on average everyone saw the first film at least 10 times lol) It's no wonder that they turn their noses up the idea of lots of political stuff and midi-chlorians. Which makes me wonder what will Star Wars films look like in the future as the Prequel kids become filmmakers.
I agree about some of the extra info could really have been used properly to help TFA's pacing and would've added to the background of both sides.
However my overall opinion is probably based on the fact I love reading, so extra books to read are never an issue for me really, when it comes to even gaining even a slight bit of extra info from them
cboath
Master Member
Not saying there wasn't, but the only thing i recall was Dark Empire (i think) where he had a room/cloning chamber of a bunch of clones he could transfer himself into. Not artifacts.
cboath
Master Member
Correction, blew up 5 planets. You can't blow up a system as it's a collection of items and they didn't blow up the sun(s). Any ships no on planet/orbit should have been fine.
Couldn't see it on screen in the theater at the time because I did not know to look, but supposedly the New Republic Fleet was in orbit around the capital planet and was shown being destroyed as well...
DARTH ANIBAL
Sr Member
Nah. I love the ST, but we could've definitely had a bit more exposition. The crawl is not enough. Literally, a 3-minute scene that gave us that background about the New Republic, and Leia organizing the Resistance in the "Aftermath" of her being outed as Vader's daughter would've sufficed.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Scarecrow Joe
Sr Member
How exactly does the Rathar scene gets in the way of the story??? That seems absurd and just another forced, illogical "critique". Can somebody provide some logical argument explaining that?
No doubt his knowledge of the lore is vast and it's impressive. Though there are times that it doesn't really apply to the discussion because most of us are going based on what is presented in the finished cut of the films. I think my stance has been argued pretty well too, even if we disagree.
I have openly apologized and personally acknowledged guilt when my temper has got the better of me, and rightly so because again, I'm not perfect. If I slip up again I'll continue to acknowledge that.
As frustrated as I can get I keep coming back because I sincerely do enjoy the exchange of ideas and when you've got a group of people this in love with it, we're bound to clash sometimes.
Without getting too sentimental I view the Fandom like family. Even if I argue with them I can't write them off entirely.
All that being said, both sides have a right to their views whether for or against and since this is a discussion thread both sides deserve a right to speak their mind.
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