Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

[Bryancd]

They should have just had a droid stay back and be the Hyperkaze pilot then the chick in the Oscars dress could have went to the after party. In fact it should have been C3PO.

It would have not only given him a reason to be in the last two movies which has been sadly lacking but it would have provided Disney with a prime opportunity to kill off something else with special meaning from the past.

Kids dont buy C3PO toys nowadays do they Bryan?

That’s a good question. Hasbro doesn’t break out figure sales with that kind of granularity but just observational I would say 3PO has been entirely eclipsed by BB-8 both on screen and in the toy aisle. My son doesn’t play with his 3PO 6” figure much. 3PO’s schtik doesn’t land well with kids nowadays I suppose. Even I thought he was off back in the day.

 

[Ollois]

No matter how much people analyse this movie for me it was a dire experience...
I thought it was so full of plot holes, unnecessary side stories and corny comedy that it was totally unworthy to be called STAR WARS...
I have no issues with people who enjoyed it but thousands and thousands of audience goers like me obviously thought it was total garbage...
In the next few weeks Disney will have to think long and hard about the justified backlash this movie is getting...
I don’t mind all the OT characters getting killed off and moving the franchise on BUT I do object to it being done in a low-quality, unimaginative way...
What is now motivating anyone to watch Ep IX? We’ve just been served with the middle movie of a trilogy where absolutely nothing happened at the end...
This is my opinion, I don’t care if anyone disagrees with me...
My Star Wars Canon is Ep1-6 and the awesome EU...
TFA and TLJ are just a joke....meh

 

[Mr Webber]

After reading through most of this I feel like Luke. Just let it die. We are all older and the glory days are gone. Let the new gen have their thing however bad we perceive it to be. I've learned to live with it and see the wonder in my children's eyes. It makes me smile which I don't do a lot of lately.

Maybe time to change your signature then.

 

[Mr Webber]

That’s a good question. Hasbro doesn’t break out figure sales with that kind of granularity but just observational I would say 3PO has been entirely eclipsed by BB-8 both on screen and in the toy aisle. My son doesn’t play with his 3PO 6” figure much. 3PO’s schtik doesn’t land well with kids nowadays I suppose. Even I thought he was off back in the day.

Looks like I gotta work on my sarcasm.

 

[Bryancd]

Looks like I gotta work on my sarcasm.

You made an edit after I quoted you that made that more obvious!

 

[Bryancd]

LOL!!!

 

[Spyhunter2k]

This movie tried too hard, WAY too hard, to be "different" and "shocking" that it felt obviously contrived.

• Luke's reaction to the original saber built by his father? F it, he tosses it for a laugh.
• Rey's parents? F it, they're nobodies.
• Snoke's background? F it, you don't need to know. And btw, he's dead now.
• Remember when Han Solo disappointedly reverted back to a smuggler, undoing much of his character's arc in the OT? F it, gonna do even worse to Luke's character.

The whole movie felt like it was TROLLING fans of the OT and daring them to exit the fandom of Star Wars, as if to say, "You wanna be a Star Wars fan going forward? We're gonna make you stand there and watch us crap on everything you liked about the OT and hoped for in the OT character's arcs. And we're gonna take the few mysteries presented in the first film of the new trilogy, and total ignore them or toss them aside."

That's not "fresh" storytelling. Anyone can project a logical continuance of a character or mysterious plot element, and then just do the opposite or something non-sensical. Writing that goes completely against character, or that takes what were supposed to be important reveals and tosses them aside as if they were meaningless all along doesn't take talent, or make you some type of avant-garde storyteller.

 

[gedmac66]

LOL!!!

Scary how much RJ copied isn’t it ? re ; post #1466

 

[kristen jones]

UPDATED “Star Wars” Box Office Decline? “Last Jedi” First Tuesday Receipts Are 42% Off from “The Force Awakens”

http://www.showbiz411.com/2017/12/1...eceipts-are-half-as-much-as-the-force-awakens

WEDS UPDATE: “Last Jedi” Tuesday was $20.3 million vs. $37 mil for “Force Awakens” on its first Tuesday. That’s around 42% off. $17 million is a big difference. Monday and Tuesday are big days for adults going to the movies, so this development is a little surprising. Almost every other film increased from Monday to Tuesday by quite a lot. Only “Last Jedi” declined, by 6%. Again, Monday and Tuesday are days when adults come out and sample “smart” movies. For some reason, their interest in “Star Wars” less than was imagined.

Well... let's not forget that when TFA came out there hadn't been any new Star wars in TEN YEARS! So there was LOTS of hype behind that.

Fast forward two years and we've had TFA AND Rogue one both. So It isn't surprising, and I'm sure Disney considered that factor as well. Let's not paint it as though this was a soft return for TLJ...that's being disingenuous

 

[kristen jones]

Ok look, I promise I'm not trying to be a smarta$$, just trying to understand where you are coming from.

What is it that your ideal new trilogy would explore? The middle aged lives of Luke/Leia/Han? Exploring new characters, but differently than what the current films have done?

I agree.

I simply don't understand how someone can say "Nothing was explored, and no questions were answered". Perhaps they didn't explore what *you* wanted them to... or they didn't answer the questions that *you* wanted them to answer... but that's not at all the same thing.

NOTE: *you* does not refer to jlee562

 

[Bryancd]

Well... let's not forget that when TFA came out there hadn't been any new Star wars in TEN YEARS! So there was LOTS of hype behind that.

Fast forward two years and we've had TFA AND Rogue one both. So It isn't surprising, and I'm sure Disney considered that factor as well. Let's not paint it as though this was a soft return for TLJ...that's being disingenuous

Kids still in school this week unlike TFA.

 

[somerset fox]

A tracking device placed via missile etc on the Raddus before it jumped away the first time would be such a simple and useful explanation behind it being tracked, they can't jump away until they find it, and teams can't scour the external hull as they're under fire constantly. Job done.

Alternate version:
FINN: 'General, we don't know how the First Order are tracking us. By the way, that's a nice ring you're wearing'

LEIA: 'yes, it's a mystery how they are doing it. Oh, this ring, yes it's a beacon to allow Rey to find us anywhere'.

FINN: 'So it's a homing beacon?'

LEIA: .....

Mystery solved. More plausible than the convoluted explanation they came up with.

 

[Jaitea]

Kids still in school this week unlike TFA.

Polarised audience unlike TFA

J

 

[darth_myeek]

But is your kid a straight “A” student? Mine is and she liked TLJ.

J u s t kidding folks with that elitist joke. (But she is and she did.)

 

[Apollo]

We have The Ot and the Prequels.

What i was referring to is the argument of why besides the all important dollar does this need to go on beyond what was originally envisioned by its creator.

I meant no so much as to whether you have kids who like or dislike he it, more that without Disney aquiring Lucasfilm and growing the franchise centered around new characters we would have nothing. George was done. I for one prefer more new content that I can share with my son then the alternative.

 

[robn1]

...Mystery solved. More plausible than the convoluted explanation they came up with.

There is no mystery, there's nothing convoluted about a new technology that can track a ship in hyperspace.

 

[Mr Webber]

I agree.

I simply don't understand how someone can say "Nothing was explored, and no questions were answered". Perhaps they didn't explore what *you* wanted them to... or they didn't answer the questions that *you* wanted them to answer... but that's not at all the same thing.

NOTE: *you* does not refer to jlee562

I`ll take a giant leap and assume that *You* is *Me* I dont have any grand ideal for how the latest trilogy should pan out and have never commented in those terms, I mean Disney themselves clearly dont either. If I did have some sort of clear structure I would`nt be pitching here, I would *fax*it Disney and get a free trip to LA.

I`m only reacting to each movie put before me and pay good money to do so actually. If you saw the context of what came before that question then you would know why it was left unanswered. *Happy*?

NOTE : Oh by the way, I never said what you posed in your statement, that was someone else.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

I can finally say that I get SOME of the hate for this film & the reason behind it.

First off, again, I loved this film, for very personal reasons, which I may explain in a bit. I loved what Luke was teaching about the Force, in that it is neither good nor bad, but instead just what binds the good & bad together. The Jedi & their dogmatic view of the Light being the right, was exactly what brought the Order down. Luke, free to study the Force on his own, has discovered the true nature of the Force & that's what he needs to pass on.

Here's where I GOT the hate fans feel... Several months ago, I received the last Darth Maul comic series for a gift, & being pumped up on SW ATM, I decided to read it last night.

Mild Spoiler here...



As he was fighting the Jedi Padawan, taunting her with the Dark Side, & her responding with the Light Side...I absolutely DID NOT CARE in the least, because of where we are in SW right now, I see the conflict as petty & ultimately, wrong on both sides. Then I had the realization... Good luck with enjoying any Jedi based stories from here on out, & I wondered, did the TLJ just ruin SW for me?


I have to say, it may have tainted my view a bit, but since I like where I think it's headed, I'm ok with that. I've grown, the story's grown, I'm good... But I get how some may not be. I've accepted the balance. Which brings me to my personal feelings for this film.

As I've shared, I'm less than 50, & despite my best efforts, I've found myself disabled.i have issues with mobility, dexterity, & vision. This all hit me as my kids were finishing high school & heading off to college & the Marine Corps. I was a fairly good musician, & usually kept the road hot each weekend traveling with my kids & friends. Then in a little over six months, I could no longer drive, I could barely read, I had to quit my job of 16 years, I could barely hold an instrument, & my kids were going into a phase of life where they didn't 'need'me in a daily basis... Basically, everything I thought I was for the past twenty years were almost gone, & it sucked. Not telling this for sympathy, just setting the stage.

When who I was, was gone,I had to figure out who I am. I felt I had become someone that has spent a life amassing knowledge & skills that would no longer have any purpose, so I questioned, did I 'waste' all that time? The answer was an unequivocal NO!... because I began to teach & share what I knew. I had the time to teach, because I want trying to DO myself, & guess what I learned? Some of these folks have greater ability in things than I ever did in my prime. I can tell them how to accomplish things that I'd never be able to accomplish, but I knew HOW to do it.

I'm at total peace with where I am, & that's the greatest thing in the world.

I identify with this Luke. I've tried to do great things. I've failed. I've been arrogant & questioned what the point was. I've also come to the realization that it's not about who I am & what I can do. It's about what I have learned & what I can share.

In my little corner of the world, maybe one day the story of me, will be better than the me, & if it furthers someone else, then I'm OK with that.

 

[Zuiun]

The apparently new ability to transport and materialize matter and objects via the Force was one of them. I like it. It has, how should I say this , dark possibilities.

Huh? No one in the movie transported or materialized matter / objects via the Force. Are you talking about the dice? They were an illusion, as clearly evidenced by the fact that the vanished in Kylo's hand. They were never there.

ORRRRRRRRR. Lets Force materialize a small blockage into somebodies major blood vessels. Don't mess about with a couple of dice!!!!

Again... NO ONE MATERIALIZED DICE. They. Were. An. Illusion.

Or if thats a bit too dark why not go the old fashioned way of assassinations with a humours twist and transport a thermal detonator into somebodies trousers instead?

*Heavy sigh*

I know that the use of "Force projection" killed Luke in the end , but did anyone else notice that Rey managed to get Kylo wet in that scene where she was semi sheltering under the Falcon without any seemingly conscious effort at all?

Oh, hey, did anyone else notice that Snoke explicitly said that HE was the one creating the connection, so why would Rey require any conscious effort?

I'd highly recommend that she uses "Force poison / toxic gas " next time, its easier and sneakier than a lightsabre. Just use "Force skype" to get Kylo attention, he always seems pretty desperate to talk to you ,distract him somehow Rey (use your imagination) and zap, teleport, arrgghhhhhhhhhh, job done! . Millions of lives saved!!!

As Harlan Ellison once famously said (paraphrasing here to keep it brief): "No one is entitled to their opinion. What people are entitled to is an INFORMED opinion. You keep ragging on this teleport nonsense which wasn't even a part of the film. In debate terms, that's called inventing a strawman argument.

Now, if you missed the part where the dice vanished, making it clear they were an illusion, that's fair. But let's be clear: No one "force teleported" anything. The entire sequence with Luke at the end was an illusion.

And with these endless possiblities really openning up to them now (as Rian wants us to grow) what can they really do in the future? Once these rules are broken its pretty hard not to keep doing it and pushing the envelope.

You do realize, don't you, that new Force abilities have been invented in almost every film to date? It's almost as if Lucas was using the Force as a plot device under the guise of "growing" the franchise from the very beginning.

 

[Zuiun]

Mystery solved. More plausible than the convoluted explanation they came up with.

Convoluted or not (that's a matter of opinion), The Last Jedi didn't come up with it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXCdfaDEeZk