Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Treadwell]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I must admit the sarcasm was lost on me at first, too. This is what emoticons are for!

 

[micdavis]

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sorry to get off topic but...
Avengers was okay, if he (Whedon) didn't kill off Coulson... then it would have been Great! hehehe

now back to SW7.

Kevin Feige killed Coulson, not Joss. Listen to the commentary track.

 

[Redtogusa]

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No matter how good EpVII might end up being IMO it can never be truely great. Why? Well, logically the writers have to accept the prequel trilogy as cannon. That means they have to accept the changes Lucas made to the old trilogy for continuity.
That means young force Anakin having to be used, New Zealand Boba Fett if they decide to resurrect him and midichlorians.

 

[Jet Beetle]

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you must be new to the internet, if you cant read sarcasm

that was exactly my point. also, disney doesnt make the star wars movies, lucasfilm does. why should it be any different with lucasfilm than it is with marvel or pixar.


btw all of these were great movies

Here's the way production works - Disney BOUGHT Lucasfilm and Star Wars - meaning they will now be part of the system any future movies must go through - Bruckheimer made Pirates, but story meetings and notes were given by Disney execs during the process - at the time Nina Jacobs (and those who are paid to agree with her) HATED what Johnny Depp was doing - he went and got the trademark teeth, costume and hair of Jack Sparrow on his own, then adding in the Keith Richards motions pushed Nina to call him into the office and tell him to stop - he refused, and threatened to quit if they didn't let him handle the character the way he saw it. Dick Cook backed him up and the rest is history - There will be no George Lucas to protect these films - (not that he can be trusted anymore anyway) - Disney will assign a number of suits to the project who are probably already offering their "wisdom" in meetings. When brought in - Pixar was smart enough to include in their contract they didn't need any notes from the studio - nor did the studio own the underline rights to their characters. Lucas could have really cared less - he gave them the keys to the kingdom and that means we will be flooded with straight to video, cartoons (baby jedis), sub par video games and a slew of garbage toys and sing along tapes - you think it's bad now, just wait... Disney bought these films because they know there are leagions of fans that will buy ANYTHING with the name Star Wars on it and they don't intend to let them down.

I have a feeling the prequels are going to start looking a whole lot better in the future.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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Kathleen Kennedy isn't just some push-over.

And even IF things happen as you say... it won't make the prequels better. They'll still be their same crappy selves.

 

[Astrokid248]

You're forgetting how Disney is handling Marvel. Marvel is, for all intents and purposes, a separate entity. They are allowed to use Disney's resources, and Disney gets a cut of the profit and their name on the screen, but there is no further interaction. Comparing the Star Wars sequels to Pirates is ignoring the fact that Lucasfilm was purchased under the same conditions as Marvel. The sequels will still be a Lucasfilm production, and other than resource sharing, Disney will have very little say in how the films work. Any failures will be failures of the same Lucasfilm team minus the old man himself, as will be any successes. Pirates was an in-house production. Any Marvel or Lucasfilm project is not.

 

[Timmythekid]

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No matter how good EpVII might end up being IMO it can never be truely great. Why? Well, logically the writers have to accept the prequel trilogy as cannon. That means they have to accept the changes Lucas made to the old trilogy for continuity.
That means young force Anakin having to be used, New Zealand Boba Fett if they decide to resurrect him and midichlorians.

I don't think so. I mean, there's tons of history in the PT that doesn't get acknowleged in the OT (obviously due to the order of release, but still...). The history can exist without being acknowleged directly. Why would we need Anakin in these movies? His story is done. Why would anyone want Boba Fett in the movies? He was a little ***** in RotJ and whatever mystique he had was destroyed when LFL wrung the character through the liscensing meat grinder. It's a big universe, there's no reason the movies HAVE to directly acknowlege 60 year old history.

Comparing the Star Wars sequels to Pirates is ignoring the fact that Lucasfilm was purchased under the same conditions as Marvel. The sequels will still be a Lucasfilm production, and other than resource sharing, Disney will have very little say in how the films work. Any failures will be failures of the same Lucasfilm team minus the old man himself, as will be any successes. Pirates was an in-house production. Any Marvel or Lucasfilm project is not.

I may just have missed this somewhere along the line, but is any of that confirmed? Have the terms of the purchase actually been disclosed to the general public? Even if it has been however, the fact of the matter is that Kathleen Kennedy now ultimately works for Disney - she has a reporting structure which ends at the board of Disney. If Disney wants its property to go in a certain direction, it will go in that direction. This isn't a simple distribution deal - Disney BOUGHT LFL, ILM, and all the rest of the empire. Even if they treat it as well as it's treated Pixar, do you think it was Pixar's idea to do Cars 2? Toy Story 3, Monsters Inc 2? Disney may allow a certain amount of free reign, but ultimately they OWN LFL.

 

[The Militian]

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Some of those are highly debatable, and Monsters Inc. is only getting some retroactive love - it was perceived as the weakest Pixar production when it was released. Iron Man is not a brilliant film, but it gets by on RDJs charisma. The last act is a mess, and devloves into CGI robots hitting each other for zero emotional impact. Toy Story 3 had nothing new to say, and was inoffensive but irrevlevant; it doesn't give me hope for continuing SW. Up? Well that's lightning in a bottle - it's damn near perfect.





SW is not a gothic novel. 'Dark' and 'Gritty' are ****ty marketing buzzwords popularized after Nolan's first Batman reboot, as an easy way to pitch tapped-out properties to executives, and have nothing to do with quality. I can think of nothng WORSE than trying to make SW 'dark' because it says to me that 1. that team doesn't understand SW and 2. there really isn't a plan here, just desperation to jumpstart a dead franchise. So far so good though...

Whedon needs to stay away from SW. He directs quirky character moments exceedingly well, but so far I've not been terribly impressed with his attempts to handle a tentpole picture. This may be anathema 'round here, but I thought Avengers was tedious, relied on bad kung-fu movie logic ("I see that you are powerful maybe you would like to TEST your powerfullness...against MY IRON FIST let us fight!!!") to provide mostly fanwanky sequences of 2nd tier superheroes going all Street Fighter on each other for no readily explicable reason, all while the big bad that was supposed to be uniting them goes unattended and undeveloped. Serenity on the other hand was quite good, and most remarkable in that I cared about these characters despite never seeing Firefly, but so much smaller scale that it's not really in the event-picture arena at all. Just Whedon...no. Besides, go make us Dr. H. 2 already!

I'm not saying I want the whole new star wars series to be ''Dark'' in terms of the Gothic novels. No. Some people want a more sinister film, something like never the prequels had. Basically want I hope for is that the new films focus more on the Dark side, not on the ''goodies''. 'Tis all I will say.

 

[seelsa73]

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I'm not saying I want the whole new star wars series to be ''Dark'' in terms of the Gothic novels. No. Some people want a more sinister film, something like never the prequels had. Basically want I hope for is that the new films focus more on the Dark side, not on the ''goodies''. 'Tis all I will say.

So basically more movies like 3 and 5?

 

[The Militian]

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So basically more movies like 3 and 5?

More or less, but a bit more focused on the dark side, it may be hard, but I hope they do put more of the Dark side into the next films. Oh, do any of you think we will see the return of Boba Fett?

 

[dt23]

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Kevin Feige killed Coulson, not Joss. Listen to the commentary track.

okay, I'll check that out.

but they still killed Phil. :,(

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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Oh, do any of you think we will see the return of Boba Fett?

No, no, and no. Fett is dead.

 

[Jet Beetle]

I see where wires are crossed here - the Marvel deal and Lucasfilm deal are not the same. Disney did an all out purchase for Star Wars - Marvel is more along the lines of an extended lease - and some major chacters weren't even included.

And as for Kathleen Kennedy - I know her, she's smart - but she's not going to fight for a good Star Wars film - she has her own projects at Dreamworks shes still pushing to get made.

 

[Jet Beetle]

I don't think so. I mean, there's tons of history in the PT that doesn't get acknowleged in the OT (obviously due to the order of release, but still...). The history can exist without being acknowleged directly. Why would we need Anakin in these movies? His story is done. Why would anyone want Boba Fett in the movies? He was a little ***** in RotJ and whatever mystique he had was destroyed when LFL wrung the character through the liscensing meat grinder. It's a big universe, there's no reason the movies HAVE to directly acknowlege 60 year old history.




I may just have missed this somewhere along the line, but is any of that confirmed? Have the terms of the purchase actually been disclosed to the general public? Even if it has been however, the fact of the matter is that Kathleen Kennedy now ultimately works for Disney - she has a reporting structure which ends at the board of Disney. If Disney wants its property to go in a certain direction, it will go in that direction. This isn't a simple distribution deal - Disney BOUGHT LFL, ILM, and all the rest of the empire. Even if they treat it as well as it's treated Pixar, do you think it was Pixar's idea to do Cars 2? Toy Story 3, Monsters Inc 2? Disney may allow a certain amount of free reign, but ultimately they OWN LFL.

Thank you.

 

[NAZGÛL]

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Oh, do any of you think we will see the return of Boba Fett?

It depends if they will go for a more serious SW, then no. If theyll do a spectacular bs film with every known SW element they can through in, then sure.

I dont know if I want to get my hopes up, but I really hope they try to make a decent SW film.

 

[Jet Beetle]

Fett is dead, right?

What would be cool is if we got to see Mandeloreans going after Luke's Jedi class - trying to keep the Jedi from returning. I bet Luke dies in one of these upcoming films.

 

[NAZGÛL]

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According to EU no. He got out.

 

[Timmythekid]

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Fett is dead, right?

What would be cool is if we got to see Mandeloreans going after Luke's Jedi class - trying to keep the Jedi from returning. I bet Luke dies in one of these upcoming films.

Well, it would have been cool if the PT had spent any time developing the Mandalorians. As it stands there's no real reason for them to hate the Jedi, so no reason for them to care if the order is re-established.

 

[CalMusquez]

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you must be new to the internet, if you cant read sarcasm

that was exactly my point. also, disney doesnt make the star wars movies, lucasfilm does. why should it be any different with lucasfilm than it is with marvel or pixar.


btw all of these were great movies

Ohhhhh, Ok. Believe me, I'm no stranger to sarcasm, it just didn't read that way. :lol but glad to hear you have good taste

 

[cboath]

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I don't think so. I mean, there's tons of history in the PT that doesn't get acknowleged in the OT (obviously due to the order of release, but still...). The history can exist without being acknowleged directly. Why would we need Anakin in these movies? His story is done. Why would anyone want Boba Fett in the movies? He was a little ***** in RotJ and whatever mystique he had was destroyed when LFL wrung the character through the liscensing meat grinder. It's a big universe, there's no reason the movies HAVE to directly acknowlege 60 year old history.




I may just have missed this somewhere along the line, but is any of that confirmed? Have the terms of the purchase actually been disclosed to the general public? Even if it has been however, the fact of the matter is that Kathleen Kennedy now ultimately works for Disney - she has a reporting structure which ends at the board of Disney. If Disney wants its property to go in a certain direction, it will go in that direction. This isn't a simple distribution deal - Disney BOUGHT LFL, ILM, and all the rest of the empire. Even if they treat it as well as it's treated Pixar, do you think it was Pixar's idea to do Cars 2? Toy Story 3, Monsters Inc 2? Disney may allow a certain amount of free reign, but ultimately they OWN LFL.

Is it confirmed anywhere that Pixar was forced to do any of those movies you mentioned? If so, is it confirmed anywhere that disney forced them in any way on even a single plot point or method of execution??

You buy a company like this for the rights and hope that you'll make more on it. You want the people who made the previous stuff to make the rest of them (sequels, prequels) in the hope that it'll make the same kind of return. If something was wrong in the company, you force change. You don't force change on them for the sake of flexing your muscles and telling them who's the boss. That's how you get bad product and bad returns.

KK reports to disney, sure, but no on day to day situations, most likely meeting projections, profit margins and things like that. Disney could force high release rates and profit lines, which could create bad product, but you don't start meddling until the subsidiary gives you a reason to.

As for the pixar sequels, even if they were at disney's request - when the take is over 7 billion, you make a couple compromises to get the deal done, you know? But as I said, there's nothing that says pixar didn't have 100% control of the development of those movies either. No fingerprints on the Marvel films either.