Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)
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Mola Rob
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Just saying what? That the guy who wrote the article has an opinion? I would agree with you on that, he does have an opinion.
JD
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Just saying here's an article. You don't like, don't read it.
With a lot of talk here generally anti-Prequel, I thought it was refreshing to read something a bit more positive about that series. Is there some rule here that I am unaware of that one can't be generally supportive of the Prequel Trilogy and that I can't post a link about it after anti-PT sentiment and links were posted? I think my comment and emoticon indicated that it was meant to be a bit lighthearted, in lieu of other posts here.
mvanwalks421
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I definitely agree with him on Hayden. But generally, the PT does little for me compared to the OT (and hopefully the ST)
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Davy Jones
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This is the Star Wars:The Force Awakens thread.
That is the only reason I have to be upset by an article dealing with the prequels. ( I mean the only other reason besides me thinking the prequels were junk)
It's fine to have an opinion. It's even fine if that opinion is that you like the prequels.
But the way I feel is now that we are getting new Star Wars sequels, those of us who were so disappointed with the prequels finally have something to feel optimistic about again.
"A new hope" so to speak.
I have seen you constantly try to tie this movie to the prequels in a thread where many of us don't want to be reminded of them!
Again it's fine if you want to see these new films acknowledge the prequels lore because you prefer it. But since I would say that idea is not popular in this thread maybe try to stop pulling so strongly for us to agree with you?
That is the only reason I have to be upset by an article dealing with the prequels. ( I mean the only other reason besides me thinking the prequels were junk)
It's fine to have an opinion. It's even fine if that opinion is that you like the prequels.
But the way I feel is now that we are getting new Star Wars sequels, those of us who were so disappointed with the prequels finally have something to feel optimistic about again.
"A new hope" so to speak.
I have seen you constantly try to tie this movie to the prequels in a thread where many of us don't want to be reminded of them!
Again it's fine if you want to see these new films acknowledge the prequels lore because you prefer it. But since I would say that idea is not popular in this thread maybe try to stop pulling so strongly for us to agree with you?
That was awesome!
JD
Master Member
Well, then I would suggest avoiding all the talk in this thread that has talked about the prequels. Like them or not, the Prequel Trilogy is Star Wars and (while I do feel the thread got a little off topic with all the bashing and "I'd do this instead" - calm down, fanboy) discussion of them in this thread is pretty much on topic. ...and for the record, I wasn't the one going on for posts about the Prequel - there were a huge slew of posts about them that I avoided, but ya know what... just for you, any chance I can get to bring the PT up in relation to the ST, I sure will!!
The Prequels have been debated and bashed relentlessly over and over and over again... I think it's silly that people hate them so vehemently and the reaction when someone posts something positively about them, others freak out.
Davy Jones
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I'm not freaking out for the record. And yes I think it is interesting that some prequel notions like your clone thing are being talked about. But seriously your opinion that they are changing the lore that the prequels set up is wrong. They won't directly contradict anything, they can't.
What they can do is creatively ignore and explain certain things. The EU has been doing that for years and the people at Star Wars Insider magazine even tried to answer those questions in a monthly article. If you wanted to know what brand of shampoo Kit Fisto used they would probably have an answer.
So yeah. I don't want to hear you **** and moan about clones anymore or see people try to bring the prequel lore into a thread about sequels to the original trilogy.
That's just my opinion. You can and I suspect will continue to do so and that's fine!
Just don't expect me to like the prequels
What they can do is creatively ignore and explain certain things. The EU has been doing that for years and the people at Star Wars Insider magazine even tried to answer those questions in a monthly article. If you wanted to know what brand of shampoo Kit Fisto used they would probably have an answer.
So yeah. I don't want to hear you **** and moan about clones anymore or see people try to bring the prequel lore into a thread about sequels to the original trilogy.
That's just my opinion. You can and I suspect will continue to do so and that's fine!
Just don't expect me to like the prequels
mvanwalks421
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HOLY CRAP!!!
JD
Master Member
I thought the Clonetrooper or Stormtrooper debate was dead, but since you brought it up - I showed the trailer to 10 year-old nephew who loves the PT and when we talked about it he thought John Boyega's character was a clone (just not a Jango clone). So yeah - I will **** and moan about that - at least one person has come around to see my issue with this... I still reckon it's a stupid, unwarranted changed... and I moved on long ago about that. And it is absolutely not a wrong - this changes what the prequel setup and the OT suggested (show me one Stormtrooper in the OT without a mask on to prove me wrong - there's a reason they're portrayed the way they are). It's a lazy idea by JJ and his folks.
I've always considered the EU fan fic - I know there was good stuff there (like the Zahn stuff), but most of is just seemed silly.
I've always considered the EU fan fic - I know there was good stuff there (like the Zahn stuff), but most of is just seemed silly.
Since the OT never established they were clones, the info established in PT could also be considered as a retcon instead. The Sequel Trilogy is likely going back to the OT's ambiguous nature of the troopers or we may find out during some helmet removal scene in the movie.
One can consider it's lazy and perhaps be furious about the change, but many feel it's in line with the OT which is more canon to them than the PT. Just like many don't consider The Force to be associated on a biological level even though the PT did it, again a retcon there.
The following is from Empire magazine's interview with Executive Producer Dave Filoni on Star Wars Rebels, this has been brought up before but I will post it again.
Speaking of generations, are they Stormtroopers rather than Clone Troopers in this series?
Oh, they’re using Stormtroopers, yeah. I’ll give you the big nerdy breakdown.
Please do!
In my opinion, having made The Clone Wars and now working with Stormtroopers, I would say that a Clone trooper could outgun a Stormtrooper rather easily. A Clone trooper was bred, born, raised to be a soldier. Lucky for them, the Jedi gave them a lot of personality, but they were very dedicated soldiers. Stormtroopers are drafted into service; you can join through academies. If you watch A New Hope they stand around and say, ‘Hey, you seen the new BT-16?’ They seem interested in their job but you question their dedication. They’re treated as expendable by the Empire, and they definitely can’t shoot anything.
When Obi Wan says, ‘Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise’, I think he’s making that up on the fact that he used to fight with clones, so he assumes that a Stormtrooper is really good. Much to his shock those guys can’t hit an R2 unit in a naked hallway, let alone be precise. So I like Stormtroopers, I find them very interesting. The Stormtroopers have better gear, better weapons in a lot of ways but it’s just a different war they are fighting than the Clone troopers’ was.
One can consider it's lazy and perhaps be furious about the change, but many feel it's in line with the OT which is more canon to them than the PT. Just like many don't consider The Force to be associated on a biological level even though the PT did it, again a retcon there.
The following is from Empire magazine's interview with Executive Producer Dave Filoni on Star Wars Rebels, this has been brought up before but I will post it again.
Speaking of generations, are they Stormtroopers rather than Clone Troopers in this series?
Oh, they’re using Stormtroopers, yeah. I’ll give you the big nerdy breakdown.
Please do!
In my opinion, having made The Clone Wars and now working with Stormtroopers, I would say that a Clone trooper could outgun a Stormtrooper rather easily. A Clone trooper was bred, born, raised to be a soldier. Lucky for them, the Jedi gave them a lot of personality, but they were very dedicated soldiers. Stormtroopers are drafted into service; you can join through academies. If you watch A New Hope they stand around and say, ‘Hey, you seen the new BT-16?’ They seem interested in their job but you question their dedication. They’re treated as expendable by the Empire, and they definitely can’t shoot anything.
When Obi Wan says, ‘Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise’, I think he’s making that up on the fact that he used to fight with clones, so he assumes that a Stormtrooper is really good. Much to his shock those guys can’t hit an R2 unit in a naked hallway, let alone be precise. So I like Stormtroopers, I find them very interesting. The Stormtroopers have better gear, better weapons in a lot of ways but it’s just a different war they are fighting than the Clone troopers’ was.
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So one ten year old came around to your thinking? I never thought it was suggested that the troopers were clones in the OT and when I saw the prequels I still didn't. I knew that there was no way the vast, galactic, Empire could possibly produce that many clones. There would have to be conscription, and after watching Rebels, that becomes fact. There's a whole episode about training young boys to be troopers.
JD
Master Member
You can try and belittle my argument by suggesting a 10 year old "came around" to my thinking. That 10 year old came up with that on his own and probably has more in common with the way of thinking of the masses... mostly because that's what 5 of these movies suggested (Episode 2-6).
I don't dispute Rebels changed this (I'm sure because of the John Boyega's character). Doesn't mean I think it's a good idea and that it's retcon.
I don't see anywhere in the SW flicks where it says just how big their galaxy, the Empire or its armies are. No where in the flicks is conscription suggested. In fact, I think Luke wanting to leave the Lars farm to go to the academy suggests (to me, at least) that this was to become an officer... which again, might suggest non-clones are officers. Let's also note that Luke wasn't forced into service and we don't see anything other than humanoid's (at least in size and shape) in the Imperial army.
I've backed up reasoning already in this thread (I could go back and link to it and copy/paste if you'd like). There are plenty of reasons that Stormtrooper could (and should?) be clones. I really haven't heard one compelling argument against this.
christrom
Sr Member
All these recuts of trailers: The one which looked like a Wes Anderson film - my god, the grading of it was sublime! It is so nice for things to feel like a film again! What do you all feel about it? It gives it so much character, gets rid of the hyper detail, makes cg look like something you've shot on a real camera. It is just perfect. It would take balls to grade something so modern this way but I think people would go nuts for it. It makes the film look thirty years old already!
ghostryder
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mvanwalks421
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^ definitely laughed out loud at that
I always assumed that the X-Wing had a flightstick because it looks like one with a control box on top. The TIEs did use a control yoke though.
I still like the Lucas explanation of small special or elite units still using the Jango clones, other units have clones of lesser stock, and then there are conscripts or recruits. Obviously conscripts and recruits are a lot cheaper. Plus I refuse to believe the Jango clones could be beaten by Ewoks...
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