Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)
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joshvanrad
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They will be accompanied by Han Solo Cup, Jake Pepsiwalker, and Senator Dell Computers.
They will be accompanied by Han Solo Cup, Jake Pepsiwalker, and Senator Dell Computers.
cboath
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I think you could have had an unseen Darth Vader in 3 and possibly 2 with evil things attributed to him, but no one has seen him. Then you have the obi/ani fight where obi walks off leaving him to die. Then never showing him again as you suggest, still have the scene at the end with vader. You have to wait til ESB to find out Vader is Anakin.
I think you could have had an unseen Darth Vader in 3 and possibly 2 with evil things attributed to him, but no one has seen him. Then you have the obi/ani fight where obi walks off leaving him to die. Then never showing him again as you suggest, still have the scene at the end with vader. You have to wait til ESB to find out Vader is Anakin.
Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release) (Use Spoiler Tags)
The links we post are defacto spoiler tags. I think if the responses to them don't specifically express the spoiler, it can make for cumbersome reading but if you wan to be part of the discussion the oneness is on the reader.
The links we post are defacto spoiler tags. I think if the responses to them don't specifically express the spoiler, it can make for cumbersome reading but if you wan to be part of the discussion the oneness is on the reader.
mvanwalks421
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Adywan threw out a great, very general, outline which you can check out here.
http://swrevisited.wordpress.com/ptr-facts/
http://swrevisited.wordpress.com/ptr-facts/
If I wasn't burdened by deadlines, I would jump on that... it would be fun.
Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release) (Use Spoiler Tags)
I think we should keep this thread as it's always been. Open to discussion about anything related to EPVII. Spoilers and all.The spoiler tags are just silly to me. All the rumors and such are just speculation and people don't know whether to tag them or not. It's made the tread frustrating. If people want a spoiler free thread where they talk about the trailer and that's about it let them open a new one. Let this thread stay as it's been from the start. A free for all about EPVII. ANYTHING goes.
Ben
I think we should keep this thread as it's always been. Open to discussion about anything related to EPVII. Spoilers and all.The spoiler tags are just silly to me. All the rumors and such are just speculation and people don't know whether to tag them or not. It's made the tread frustrating. If people want a spoiler free thread where they talk about the trailer and that's about it let them open a new one. Let this thread stay as it's been from the start. A free for all about EPVII. ANYTHING goes.
Ben
glunark
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I always thought episode three should have ended with Obi Wan fighting Anakin, then they both walk away, with both of them uninjured.
Then right near the end of the film Anakin and Dooku fight near the lave and they both go in, and only one emerges from the lava, scarred from head to toe, and barely alive, the Vader suit the only thing that keeps them alive, Palpatine calls the surviver Darth Vader then, not any earlier, and that is the guy who kills all the Jedi at the temple.
The people watching episode III never know who Vader is, could be Anakin, could be Dooku, always the element of doubt, right up to episode VI when Yoda finally confirms it.
Then right near the end of the film Anakin and Dooku fight near the lave and they both go in, and only one emerges from the lava, scarred from head to toe, and barely alive, the Vader suit the only thing that keeps them alive, Palpatine calls the surviver Darth Vader then, not any earlier, and that is the guy who kills all the Jedi at the temple.
The people watching episode III never know who Vader is, could be Anakin, could be Dooku, always the element of doubt, right up to episode VI when Yoda finally confirms it.
Don't think that would be necessary.
But hopefully members won't come with up such speculation based partly after reading things on the spoilers thread and then sharing their theory here.
Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release) (Use Spoiler Tags)
But considering the amount of news, rumors and possible spoilers that started leaking lately, we emphasized on the usage of spoiler tags (which is how it is being done on all other threads). Some members are finding it restrictive due to the frequency and volume of the posts, so we have decided to let it continue in the new thread where all spoilers are open to discussion.
Anyone who wishes to engage in an all out spoiler discussion can now do so in the following thread.
http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=229962
From the existing sticky thread.
All pre-release threads in this forum were always meant to be spoiler free, if somebody posts possible spoiler content then it should have spoiler tags. This was never intended to be a "all spoilers are okay" thread to begin with. It started skewing in that direction and we dabbled around it for a little awhile.
But considering the amount of news, rumors and possible spoilers that started leaking lately, we emphasized on the usage of spoiler tags (which is how it is being done on all other threads). Some members are finding it restrictive due to the frequency and volume of the posts, so we have decided to let it continue in the new thread where all spoilers are open to discussion.
Anyone who wishes to engage in an all out spoiler discussion can now do so in the following thread.
http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=229962
From the existing sticky thread.
Yeah, In general there are a LOT of spoilers in this thread, most are linked to other pages and then they create a discussion. Regardless, I am a poor judge, I love discussing a film before it comes out, it's part of the experience for me. And it last for months and years as opposed to wItni g for the release where you only have one experience.
Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release) (Use Spoiler Tags)
So, basically, my last post in this thread.
Yeah, it's a bit of a read, but I think you may appreciate where I'm coming from.
Oh, it has been. Not all the time, but I've been honing my abilities as a writer since I was in single digits. Yes, the stuff I wrote in my early teens was... embarrassing. But I've worked hard to get unsucky. Unlike George, I like finding my way out of corners I've gotten painted into, rather than coming up with the absolute weakest workarounds possible.
Again... *points to link, above* I don't like Dooku as a Dark Jedi. I do like him having left the Order and working for the Seps. But keep the fight between the mysterious figure and Ben.
[ETA below]
The Prequels we got just don't work with so much of what was in the Original Trilogy. Anakin and Obi-Wan are far younger than they should be (Alec Guinness was in his 60s and Sebastian Shaw in his 70s -- especially if you want to say humans live longer, the characters should have been significantly older by the end of ROTS than they were), the Clone Wars are set far later than they should be and don't last anywhere near as long as had been supposed. Plus about fifty thousand smaller quibbles over errors, omissions, inclusions, bad math, bad science, bad dialogue, etc.
And that's not even getting into the fact that George kept changing his mind about what he wanted to do with Star Wars. Right after it first came out, he wanted to do a total of twelve films -- two arcs of six each (whether they were to all go forward from the starting point of Star Wars, or jump back for the second arc to do backstory, he never said -- I presume the latter, from his notes). Later that was changed to nine -- three arcs of three (that was when the "Episode IV" got hung on Star Wars). And then after Empire came out, he was getting a little burnt out on Star Wars and wanted to do other things. Like Howard the Duck. So he shoehorned four films into Return of the Jedi, and it shows.
The sequence was originally, roughly, supposed to go:
- Episode VI -- Heroes trying to rescue Han, Luke completes training, shows up to save the day because he is now a Jedi Kniht for realz, but O NOEZ! the Rebellion is doomed because the Empire's apparently building TWO new Death Stars! To be continued in...
- Episode VII -- Heroes try to find a way to get past the Empire's defenses, as the Death Stars are being built right at Imperial Center, protected by planetary defenses and a good chunk of the Imperial Starfleet. Many Bothan spies die over the course of this adventure so that in...
- Episode VIII -- The Rebels launch a desperate all-out strike to take out the Death Stars, precisely timed with the Heroes infiltrating the defense systems to take them down at just the right time. But Vader senses Luke's presence, so Luke turns himself in to protect the mission. Leia doesn't want to leave while he's still down on Imperial Center, but they have no choice but to flee before the Imperial Fleet can counterattack, and then...
- Episode IX -- Luke's big trial. Emperor tries to seduce him to the Dark Side, somewhat as in ROTJ, but less rushed and more believable. Same ending. He ultimately resists the temptation, the Emperor tries to kill him, which is the wrong thing to do in front of his dad, who snaps out of his angst and takes out Palpatine before dying himself.
I've rewritten those notes/that film, too. *heh* Renumbered and retitled, mine are: Episode IX -- RETURN OF THE JEDI, Episode X -- THE PHANTOM MENACE, Episode XI -- OUR MOST DESPERATE HOUR, and Episode XII -- THE BALANCE OF THE FORCE.
I have a feeling the twelve-movie series would have ultimately been 7-12 From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker, and then jumped back to have 1-6 be From the Adventures of Obi-Wan Kenobi. That's what's in his old notes. Nothing, really, past the fall of the Emperor. And that's where I really feel the Prequels let us down. Obi-Wan was supposed to be the central Hero, with Anakin as a supporting character. Anakin really can't carry those films, but if you edit the Prequels down to about an hour of mostly Obi-Wan stuff, you get a more cohesive narrative... and better movies, in general.
I would have really liked to have seen six films tracking him as a young Jedi Knight, through the outbreak of the Clone Wars, adoption of the nickname Ben, the fall of the Republic and self-coronating of Palpatine, the fall of the Jedi and rise of Darth Vader, and end with him riding off into the desert of Tatooine. Keep Vader's identity unrevealed, keep Yoda's appearance unrevealed, keep Luke and Leia's relationship unrevealed, and so on and so on... *sigh*
I have high hopes for these new films, even if I wish this new one were Episode XIII. *chuckle*
--Jonah
So, basically, my last post in this thread.
Yeah, it's a bit of a read, but I think you may appreciate where I'm coming from. Oh, it has been. Not all the time, but I've been honing my abilities as a writer since I was in single digits. Yes, the stuff I wrote in my early teens was... embarrassing. But I've worked hard to get unsucky. Unlike George, I like finding my way out of corners I've gotten painted into, rather than coming up with the absolute weakest workarounds possible.
Again... *points to link, above* I don't like Dooku as a Dark Jedi. I do like him having left the Order and working for the Seps. But keep the fight between the mysterious figure and Ben.
[ETA below]
The Prequels we got just don't work with so much of what was in the Original Trilogy. Anakin and Obi-Wan are far younger than they should be (Alec Guinness was in his 60s and Sebastian Shaw in his 70s -- especially if you want to say humans live longer, the characters should have been significantly older by the end of ROTS than they were), the Clone Wars are set far later than they should be and don't last anywhere near as long as had been supposed. Plus about fifty thousand smaller quibbles over errors, omissions, inclusions, bad math, bad science, bad dialogue, etc.
And that's not even getting into the fact that George kept changing his mind about what he wanted to do with Star Wars. Right after it first came out, he wanted to do a total of twelve films -- two arcs of six each (whether they were to all go forward from the starting point of Star Wars, or jump back for the second arc to do backstory, he never said -- I presume the latter, from his notes). Later that was changed to nine -- three arcs of three (that was when the "Episode IV" got hung on Star Wars). And then after Empire came out, he was getting a little burnt out on Star Wars and wanted to do other things. Like Howard the Duck. So he shoehorned four films into Return of the Jedi, and it shows.
The sequence was originally, roughly, supposed to go:
- Episode VI -- Heroes trying to rescue Han, Luke completes training, shows up to save the day because he is now a Jedi Kniht for realz, but O NOEZ! the Rebellion is doomed because the Empire's apparently building TWO new Death Stars! To be continued in...
- Episode VII -- Heroes try to find a way to get past the Empire's defenses, as the Death Stars are being built right at Imperial Center, protected by planetary defenses and a good chunk of the Imperial Starfleet. Many Bothan spies die over the course of this adventure so that in...
- Episode VIII -- The Rebels launch a desperate all-out strike to take out the Death Stars, precisely timed with the Heroes infiltrating the defense systems to take them down at just the right time. But Vader senses Luke's presence, so Luke turns himself in to protect the mission. Leia doesn't want to leave while he's still down on Imperial Center, but they have no choice but to flee before the Imperial Fleet can counterattack, and then...
- Episode IX -- Luke's big trial. Emperor tries to seduce him to the Dark Side, somewhat as in ROTJ, but less rushed and more believable. Same ending. He ultimately resists the temptation, the Emperor tries to kill him, which is the wrong thing to do in front of his dad, who snaps out of his angst and takes out Palpatine before dying himself.
I've rewritten those notes/that film, too. *heh* Renumbered and retitled, mine are: Episode IX -- RETURN OF THE JEDI, Episode X -- THE PHANTOM MENACE, Episode XI -- OUR MOST DESPERATE HOUR, and Episode XII -- THE BALANCE OF THE FORCE.
I have a feeling the twelve-movie series would have ultimately been 7-12 From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker, and then jumped back to have 1-6 be From the Adventures of Obi-Wan Kenobi. That's what's in his old notes. Nothing, really, past the fall of the Emperor. And that's where I really feel the Prequels let us down. Obi-Wan was supposed to be the central Hero, with Anakin as a supporting character. Anakin really can't carry those films, but if you edit the Prequels down to about an hour of mostly Obi-Wan stuff, you get a more cohesive narrative... and better movies, in general.
I would have really liked to have seen six films tracking him as a young Jedi Knight, through the outbreak of the Clone Wars, adoption of the nickname Ben, the fall of the Republic and self-coronating of Palpatine, the fall of the Jedi and rise of Darth Vader, and end with him riding off into the desert of Tatooine. Keep Vader's identity unrevealed, keep Yoda's appearance unrevealed, keep Luke and Leia's relationship unrevealed, and so on and so on... *sigh*
I have high hopes for these new films, even if I wish this new one were Episode XIII. *chuckle*
--Jonah
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AndyJ
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My recut trailer, for your enjoyment: https://vimeo.com/113765457
crabra comander
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I think I like you a bit less...:darnkids
Darth Lars
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Is the light fluttering... or is that my eyelids because I'm feeling asleep watching it?
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