DANG! I have no idea whether the article was written before or after my post but it was a total guess on my part! Cool!
Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release) (Spoilers)
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DANG! I have no idea whether the article was written before or after my post but it was a total guess on my part! Cool!
kristen jones
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Isn't that merely a case of your own expectations being dashed? When we all saw "Alien", we were given absolutely no explanation for what the Space Jockey was...so any conclusions drawn are entirely one's own. Since we the audience were not the creator of the Space Jockey, then what gives any one of us the right to decide what is a fitting explanation for it? Of course we are all entitled to our opinion, but the fact that the creator's eventual explanation of something that we have hypothesized about on our own doesn't meet our private hope or conjecture shouldn't be legitimate grounds on it's own for hating the entire thing. That smacks of far too much self-importance.
kristen jones
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Jeyl;3732823g I would said:
I believe that the implication in that scene was that Anakin looked into his soul and found love for his Son in there... a love that he did not expect to find, but that was nonetheless
powerful enough to loosen the Emperor's grip on him. It allowed the Good in Anakin to triumph over the evil, and he decided to give his own life to save his son.
That sounds more like redemption to me than "getting off the hook". But then, I'm not a Cynic, either...
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seelsa73
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Which I believe was also a factor for people when considering the prequels, whether they know it or not. I'm not saying it applies to everyone who hated /disliked the prequels, but for some I'm sure it was a contributing factor.
Redemption towards Luke maybe, but what about the rest of the galaxy? What about his own daughter who he tortured, forced her to watch the destruction of her home world and continuously killed those loyal to her? It's honestly disheartening that we as the audience should accept the notion that she'd be totally forgiving once Luke tells her that there was good in him. If redemption was truly that easy, I wonder what the Emperor could have done for a few seconds that would have made him the pinnacle of all that is good.
kristen jones
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...Not generally the forgiving sort, are you?
Not to make it a religious debate (though the Jedi seemed to be a Religious Order) but forgiveness is given to those who ask with a sincere heart.. not those who can produce a balance sheet which shows more ticks in the "Good" column than in the "Bad".
Not to make it a religious debate (though the Jedi seemed to be a Religious Order) but forgiveness is given to those who ask with a sincere heart.. not those who can produce a balance sheet which shows more ticks in the "Good" column than in the "Bad".
I don't recal Leia forgiving Vader in the films. If anything she seemed repulsed when Luke told her first that Vader was his father. Leia's feelings about Vader are unknown.
The thing about mysteries Kristen is that if you don't solve it, the audience kind of has a right to draw their own conclusions. My conclusion? I'm happy to leave it just as it is. A unresolved mystery that gets people talking. In fact, I'm going to let Jimsmash say it for me since you clearly
Now do you understand where we're coming from? This isn't some expectations being dashed, this is a matter of the filmmakers changing something that affects how we look at the rest of the franchise.
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And I would certainly like to know how she felt about it, but sadly no one else seems to mind.
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Redemption towards Luke maybe, but what about the rest of the galaxy? What about his own daughter who he tortured, forced her to watch the destruction of her home world and continuously killed those loyal to her? It's honestly disheartening that we as the audience should accept the notion that she'd be totally forgiving once Luke tells her that there was good in him. If redemption was truly that easy, I wonder what the Emperor could have done for a few seconds that would have made him the pinnacle of all that is good.
We as the audience weren't told what to accept in regards to her feelings and there is nothing to indicate she forgave him. I have no doubt it will be explored either in the new films or post ROTJ books and comics.
Redemption towards Luke maybe, but what about the rest of the galaxy? What about his own daughter who he tortured, forced her to watch the destruction of her home world and continuously killed those loyal to her? It's honestly disheartening that we as the audience should accept the notion that she'd be totally forgiving once Luke tells her that there was good in him. If redemption was truly that easy, I wonder what the Emperor could have done for a few seconds that would have made him the pinnacle of all that is good.
We as the audience weren't told what to accept in regards to her feelings and there is nothing to indicate she forgave him. I have no doubt it will be explored either in the new films or post ROTJ books and comics.
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It's not that we don't mind. It's that the post-ROTJ EU is gone. The only book that looked at it in any meaningful way, Tatooine Ghost, actually did a good job of it. But it's gone now, and we have zero data to go on. So we're all just not speculating until we have more.
--Jonah
DakGibralter
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Let's stay on topic here, friends.
Here's some cool leaked concept art!
Here's some cool leaked concept art!
yeah, we have seen that one, it was back when speculation that Luke had gone bad.
His son believed in him, believed there was good in him. Something no one else had at that point, he thought he was too far gone and it was too late for him. He saw his son do something he didn't have the strength to do. Throw down his weapon and not give in to total hate.
That would be a very interesting / powerful emotional scene - Leia's deep rooted emotional scars suddenly surfacing after having been suppressed. She can be a strong leader and source of inspiration for only so long. Maybe we'll see a private moment where she breaks down?
Yeah, I don't think she would be as forgiving as Luke.
The expression on her face when she learns that Vader is Luke's father... thus "her" father is pretty telling of her feelings. It would be nice to see a tender moment of her being suddenly lost and then watch her quickly regain composure and whoop some butt!
I mentioned Tatooine Ghost a few posts back. I hope anything new they do is at least as good. I actually absolutely loved how it had Leia be confronted by who her father was as a boy -- the slave who selflessly helped everyone and fought for the underdog -- and her reaction to the picture of him celebrating his win of the Boonta Eve Classic. The trouble she has reconciling that joyous kid with the dirty face with her dealings with and treatment by Vader.
--Jonah
--Jonah
Go to Making Star Wars to see the Hasbro toy catalogue. I did warn you about some of the ship designs though.
Oh Poohdoo, they've been forced to take it down already!!!!!!!!!
Not really a lot that we haven't seen before apart from a very cool picture of the black X wing. A top shot of the new SD with the enlarged superstructure, and some speeders variations. A new star craft design which looks very weak. Lots of lightsabers, microtoys ,figures etc.
Oh Poohdoo, they've been forced to take it down already!!!!!!!!!
Not really a lot that we haven't seen before apart from a very cool picture of the black X wing. A top shot of the new SD with the enlarged superstructure, and some speeders variations. A new star craft design which looks very weak. Lots of lightsabers, microtoys ,figures etc.
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